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My next cell phone.

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT),
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My next cell phone.

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On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:25:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mot...ry?id=19833261

My next cell phone.

"Made In America" or "Assembled In America"?

This morning, CNN was very clear to point out that the phones will be Assembled In America, not Made In America. Everytime they said "Assembled" they followed it with "assembled, not made."

This CNN report uses the term "assembled".

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08...-x-smartphone/

"The phone is assembled in the U.S., and Google hopes to lure customers with the relatively low $200 price."

Some of their earlier reports (May 2013?) used the word "made" but there was no mistaking their emphasis on "assembled, not made" when they talked about the phone this morning.

There's a "legal" difference between marking something with Made In The USA vs. Assembled In The USA. I wondered which definition fits the Moto-X.

On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:23:31 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
There's a "legal" difference between marking something with Made In The USA vs. Assembled In The USA. I wondered which definition fits the Moto-X.

Almost certainly it's "assembled" not "made," as it would be nearly impossible to source all the necessary components from strictly US manufacturers.

Still, it's better than "MADE in China." Let's just hope the workers they hire to do the assembly are thankful to have a job, and do quality work.

There are reports of manufacturers moving production back to the US popping up here and there lately. It's become more expensive to do business in China, as I suspected it would, and for small to medium companies it's starting to make sense to bring the jobs back here.

On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:31:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:23:31 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:

There's a "legal" difference between marking something with Made In The USA vs. Assembled In The USA. I wondered which definition fits the Moto-X..

Almost certainly it's "assembled" not "made," as it would be nearly impossible to source all the necessary components from strictly US manufacturers..

Still, it's better than "MADE in China." Let's just hope the workers they hire to do the assembly are thankful to have a job, and do quality work.

There are reports of manufacturers moving production back to the US popping up here and there lately. It's become more expensive to do business in China, as I suspected it would, and for small to medium companies it's starting to make sense to bring the jobs back here.

Bringing the manufacturing back to the US doesn't equate to bringing the jobs back. With the huge advancement in robotics and automation since the jobs were sent overseas, the same amount of work can be done with far less workers.

Sure, some humans will be required, but nothing matching the numbers that were employed before the moves to China and elsewhere.

In addition, the number of "full-time with benefits" jobs will be far fewer now that companies have begun to realize that the "part-time no benefits" model actual works.

On 8/2/13 12:01 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mot...ry?id=19833261

My next cell phone.

http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/266/800/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_112398.jpg


The cool kids will all have these soon: http://tinyurl.com/k6w48nb

On 8/2/2013 2:50 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:31:17 PM UTC-4,
wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 3:23:31 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:

There's a "legal" difference between marking something with Made
In The USA vs. Assembled In The USA. I wondered which definition
fits the Moto-X.

Almost certainly it's "assembled" not "made," as it would be nearly
impossible to source all the necessary components from strictly US
manufacturers.

Still, it's better than "MADE in China." Let's just hope the
workers they hire to do the assembly are thankful to have a job,
and do quality work.

There are reports of manufacturers moving production back to the US
popping up here and there lately. It's become more expensive to do
business in China, as I suspected it would, and for small to medium
companies it's starting to make sense to bring the jobs back here.

Bringing the manufacturing back to the US doesn't equate to bringing
the jobs back. With the huge advancement in robotics and automation
since the jobs were sent overseas, the same amount of work can be
done with far less workers.

Sure, some humans will be required, but nothing matching the numbers
that were employed before the moves to China and elsewhere.

In addition, the number of "full-time with benefits" jobs will be far
fewer now that companies have begun to realize that the "part-time no
benefits" model actual works.


I remember when all the cheap junk was made in Japan and no one thought
of China as anything but a Communist enemy except Taiwan where more
cheap junk was manufactured. Now the cheap junk has been coming from
places like Mainland China, India and often Pakistan. I've seen some
stuff manufactured in countries of the former Soviet Union. As those
peoples become more prosperous, wages go up, expectations go up and
costs go up until it's too expensive to get things manufactured there
and the cycle begins again with manufacturing going where the costs of
building and transporting products is less expensive. I have a feeling
that the natural cycle will bring manufacturing back to all of those
desperate Americans who have no jobs and are willing to make fewer
demands unless the cycle is interfered with by idiot politicians hungry
for power and control. I wonder which political party and which
politician will claim credit for something that will happen all on its
own? ^_^

TDD

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:25:04 PM UTC-5, wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mot...ry?id=19833261



My next cell phone.


Dammit, I finally caved and used my upgrade on a Photon Q earlier this year. *sigh*

I'm fiercely loyal to Motorola for cell phones as every other manufacturer has disappointed me. However, the Photon Q seemed like a downgrade from my old Photon save for the fact that the Q had 4G LTE so I kind of had to go with it.

On Friday, August 2, 2013 4:19:10 PM UTC-5, N8N wrote:
On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:25:04 PM UTC-5, wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mot...ry?id=19833261







My next cell phone.





Dammit, I finally caved and used my upgrade on a Photon Q earlier this year. *sigh*



I'm fiercely loyal to Motorola for cell phones as every other manufacturer has disappointed me. However, the Photon Q seemed like a downgrade from my old Photon save for the fact that the Q had 4G LTE so I kind of had to go with it.

Actually I just read the specs on it and it has no SD card slot. So I don't feel so let down now. What the hell Motorola? Especially since JB doesn't offer the "mass storage" USB option, I *have* to use the SD card to transfer files between phone and PC.

nate

On 08-02-2013 15:23, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This morning, CNN was very clear to point out that the phones will be Assembled In America, not Made In America. Everytime they said "Assembled" they followed it with "assembled, not made."

Which could legally mean PCBs are printed in __(country)__, componenets
soldered into them there, cases molded next door, all put in the same
box and shipped here where someone touches two screws with a motorized
screwdriver.

--
Wes Groleau

€œBeware the barrenness of a busy life.€�
€” Socrates

On 08-02-2013 17:18, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I remember when all the cheap junk was made in Japan and no one thought
of China as anything but a Communist enemy except Taiwan where more
cheap junk was manufactured. Now the cheap junk has been coming from
places like Mainland China, India and often Pakistan.

And some of the expensive stuff as well.


--
Wes Groleau

€œA miracle is a violation of the laws of nature, and as a
firm and unalterable experience has established these laws,
the proof against a miracle, from the very nature of the fact,
is as entire as could possibly be imagined.€�
€” David Hume, age 37
€œThere's no such thing of that, 'cause I never heard of it.€�
€” Becky Groleau, age 4

On Thu, 1 Aug 2013 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mot...ry?id=19833261

My next cell phone.

On the ABC news itself, they asked someoone at the factory if the
parts were made in the US, and he pointed either to parts or to a map
and named about 10 states where parts were made.

Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-02-2013 15:23, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This morning, CNN was very clear to point out that the phones will be
Assembled In America, not Made In America. Everytime they said
"Assembled" they followed it with "assembled, not made."

Which could legally mean PCBs are printed in __(country)__, componenets
soldered into them there, cases molded next door, all put in the same box
and shipped here where someone touches two screws with a motorized screwdriver.

Not so.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_USA

Assembled in USA

"A product that includes foreign components may be called "Assembled in
USA" without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the
U.S. and the assembly is substantial. For the "assembly" claim to be valid,
the product's "last substantial transformation" also should have occurred
in the U.S. A "screwdriver" assembly in the U.S. of foreign components into
a final product at the end of the manufacturing process does not usually
qualify for the "Assembled in USA" claim."

DerbyDad03 wrote:
Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-02-2013 15:23, DerbyDad03 wrote:
This morning, CNN was very clear to point out that the phones will be
Assembled In America, not Made In America. Everytime they said
"Assembled" they followed it with "assembled, not made."
Which could legally mean PCBs are printed in __(country)__, componenets
soldered into them there, cases molded next door, all put in the same box
and shipped here where someone touches two screws with a motorized screwdriver.

Not so.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_USA

Assembled in USA

"A product that includes foreign components may be called "Assembled in
USA" without qualification when its principal assembly takes place in the
U.S. and the assembly is substantial. For the "assembly" claim to be valid,
the product's "last substantial transformation" also should have occurred
in the U.S. A "screwdriver" assembly in the U.S. of foreign components into
a final product at the end of the manufacturing process does not usually
qualify for the "Assembled in USA" claim."

I'm not just picking you out for responses. :-)
According to this site the CEO says:
"For indeed, excitement started when Motorola CEO Dennis Woodside
announced at the D11 conference that the phones would be made in the
USA, specificially Fort Worth, Texas".
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2238...-moto-x-phone/


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