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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
So this is your country of brotherly love, eh?
This is your true nature. This is the real face of america and americans. Thieving from each other, especially in times of natural disaster, urban mining, even killing for no reason. That is - when you're not spying on each other. By the way, how are your guns protecting your electronic privacy? Your privacy is being stolen from you by your gov't, and your guns and your right to bear arms are doing exactly nothing to enforce those rights. George Bush gave you a lasting legacy, didn't he? So shut up, bend over, and be a nice little Patriot. Uncle Sam wants to know you better. =================== http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...ORNADO_LOOTERS Jun 8, 7:08 PM EDT Looters have come from afar to Okla. after tornado MOORE, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities say looters have come from as far away as New York and Virginia to steal from victims of last month's tornado in Moore, Okla. The Oklahoman reports (see link below) that police arrested one man from Elmhurst, N.Y., and two from Virginia on misdemeanor complaints of stealing copper wire, scrap metal and other items from homes destroyed by the May 20 tornado. Twenty-four people were killed. Several Moore residents were also arrested on similar misdemeanor complaints. Residents have filed theft reports for such items as a $50,000 watch, a $13,000 watch, a $2,000 fountain pen and a $1,300 hunting camera. http://newsok.com/police-say-men-cam...rticle/3843116 |
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:34:35 -0400, Lou Tere
wrote: So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? Of course they don't loot in any other country, LOL ... |
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On Jun 9, 4:53*pm, "Doug" wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:34:35 -0400, Lou Tere wrote: So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? Of course they don't loot in any other country, LOL ... They don't even wait for a disaster before they start looting in the UK. Mostly blacks. We have too many immigrants here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh3YsDIGp60 |
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On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 09:35:08 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote: Of course they don't loot in any other country, LOL ... They don't even wait for a disaster before they start looting in the UK. Mostly blacks. We have too many immigrants here. You got the government you voted for. In my county there is an estimated 1.2 Million handguns. Long guns are not counted in any data. Last year 68K + new handguns were registered. Population of the county is less than 2 Million. Brit's want their guns back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh3YsDIGp60 That last looter had a duffle bag. He got more than his fair share. |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
On 06/09/2013 08:53 AM, Doug wrote:
Lou Tere wrote: So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? Of course they don't loot in any other country, LOL ... But we're supposed to be better than that. Maybe we once really were. -- Cheers, Bev "Go back to sleep, citizen. Your government has everything under control." -Bill Hicks |
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On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 11:34:35 -0400, Lou Tere
wrote in Re Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...ORNADO_LOOTERS Jun 8, 7:08 PM EDT Looters have come from afar to Okla. after tornado MOORE, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities say looters have come from as far away as New York Well yes, of course from New York. What else would you expect? |
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On 6/9/13 10:34 AM, Lou Tere wrote:
So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? This is your true nature. This is the real face of america and americans. Thieving from each other, especially in times of natural disaster, urban mining, even killing for no reason. That is - when you're not spying on each other. C'mon now. Isn't calling these people looters a bit harsh? They are merely unlicensed recyclers volunteering to help clean up the mess. |
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Now how does that work?
If I come back to my devastated house and find someone else digging through my rubble and looking for valuables in broad daylight, am I allowed to shoot him just as I'd shoot a burglar that snuck into my house at night looking for valuables? I understand that if the houses are devastated, it can be hard to tell which one is your house. But, if I've correctly identified my rubble, and this guy is looking to steal MY stuff, am I within my rights to pull out my Glock and blast his a$$? Last edited by nestork : June 9th 13 at 07:00 PM |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
Dean Hoffman"
" wrote: On 6/9/13 10:34 AM, Lou Tere wrote: So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? This is your true nature. This is the real face of america and americans. Thieving from each other, especially in times of natural disaster, urban mining, even killing for no reason. That is - when you're not spying on each other. C'mon now. Isn't calling these people looters a bit harsh? They are merely *undocumented* recyclers volunteering to help clean up the mess. there, I fixed it for you |
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On 06/09/2013 09:07 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 6/9/13 10:34 AM, Lou Tere wrote: So this is your country of brotherly love, eh? This is your true nature. This is the real face of america and americans. Thieving from each other, especially in times of natural disaster, urban mining, even killing for no reason. That is - when you're not spying on each other. C'mon now. Isn't calling these people looters a bit harsh? They are merely unlicensed recyclers volunteering to help clean up the mess. Not UNLICENSED, you insensitive clod. DIFFERENTLY licensed. -- Cheers, Bev "Go back to sleep, citizen. Your government has everything under control." -Bill Hicks |
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Sorry, man, but no one NEEDS a $50,000 wrist watch to know what time it is or a $2000 fountain pen to write something down. You wasted that money on bling; you didn't use it for anything worthwhile. You're no worse off without those things. Last edited by nestork : June 10th 13 at 12:51 AM |
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"nestork" wrote in message
... Lou Tere;3075775 Wrote: MOORE, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities say looters have come from as far away as New York and Virginia to steal from victims of last month's tornado in Moore, Okla. The Oklahoman reports (see link below) that police arrested one man from Elmhurst, N.Y., and two from Virginia on misdemeanor complaints of stealing copper wire, scrap metal and other items from homes destroyed by the May 20 tornado. Twenty-four people were killed. Several Moore residents were also arrested on similar misdemeanor complaints. Residents have filed theft reports for such items as a $50,000 watch, a $13,000 watch, a $2,000 fountain pen and a $1,300 hunting camera. Isn't it ironic. US Border guards stop a semitrailer loaded with food, blankets, diapers and water from going to Moore, Oklahoma to give those much needed things away free to the people there. But no one is stopping looters from going to Moore, Oklahoma to steal from the people there. Somehow that seems bass-ackwards to me. Somehow you missed that the police were there to stop them Not to mention that your argument raises the question how do you identify someone who is going there to be a looter ? |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 22:57:35 +0200, nestork
wrote: Lou Tere;3075775 Wrote: MOORE, Okla. (AP) -- Authorities say looters have come from as far away as New York and Virginia to steal from victims of last month's tornado in Moore, Okla. The Oklahoman reports (see link below) that police arrested one man from Elmhurst, N.Y., and two from Virginia on misdemeanor complaints of stealing copper wire, scrap metal and other items from homes destroyed by the May 20 tornado. Twenty-four people were killed. Several Moore residents were also arrested on similar misdemeanor complaints. Residents have filed theft reports for such items as a $50,000 watch, a $13,000 watch, a $2,000 fountain pen and a $1,300 hunting camera. Isn't it ironic. US Border guards stop a semitrailer loaded with food, blankets, diapers and water from going to Moore, Oklahoma to give those much needed things away free to the people there. But no one is stopping looters from going to Moore, Oklahoma to steal from the people there. Somehow that seems bass-ackwards to me. I didn't read the report so based on what you said only, I'd have to agree with you but if the items were just thrown around and not well pkgd or organized, perhaps they thought it was a cover up to use the truck for looting??? |
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I just didn't want to see all that food go to waste, and I couldn't see why they couldn't just check random packages on the truck to make sure it was hauling what they said and not any drugs, guns, illegal aliens or whatever. I'm sure the church group in Windsor that put that shipment together would have been fine with some US army truck drivers or any trucking company in Detroit using it's drivers to haul that trailer down to Oklahoma. As long as they got the tractor and empty trailer back in one piece. With your guys in complete control of that truck and it's cargo, no one on this side of the border is going to be able to pull off anything shady involving that truck or it's cargo cuz they wouldn't have any control over what gets given to whom. If the Church group donating the stuff is fine with that, it's safe to assume there's nothing illegal going on. Whatever, if the trailer isn't in Oklahoma by now then the food is probably already spoiled. But, there really should be some way of getting food and disaster relief across the border quickly and efficiently because people can't go long without clean water to drink, and life can be really miserable without food to eat, warm blankets and Lord knows, diapers. Last edited by nestork : June 10th 13 at 05:00 PM |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:33:50 +0200, nestork
wrote: 'Doug[_17_ Wrote: ;3076283'] I didn't read the report so based on what you said only, I'd have to agree with you but if the items were just thrown around and not well pkgd or organized, perhaps they thought it was a cover up to use the truck for looting??? No, what I think was the real issue was is that our border crossings are set up to handle international shipments, not international donations, and no one on your side of the border really knew what to do with that truck. There's hundreds of trucks cross into Canada and the USA every day at the Windsor/Detroit border, and one truck shows up without any paperwork and says it's delivering disaster relief. They just didn't know quite how to handle that situation and were concerned that it could be a "trick" of some sort. I just didn't want to see all that food go to waste, and I couldn't see why they couldn't just check random packages on the truck to make sure it was hauling what they said and not any drugs, guns, illegal aliens or whatever. I'm sure the church group in Windsor that put that shipment together would have been fine with some US army truck drivers or any trucking company in Detroit using it's drivers to haul that trailer down to Oklahoma. As long as they got the tractor and empty trailer back in one piece. With your guys in complete control of that truck and it's cargo, no one on this side of the border is going to be able to pull off anything shady involving that truck or it's cargo cuz they wouldn't have any control over what gets given to whom. If the Church group donating the stuff is fine with that, it's safe to assume there's nothing illegal going on. Whatever, if the trailer isn't in Oklahoma by now then the food is probably already spoiled. But, there really should be some way of getting food and disaster relief across the border quickly and efficiently because people can't go long without clean water to drink, and life can be really miserable without food to eat, warm blankets and Lord knows, diapers. The fault cannot be all on the USA. Did the Church group research what to do? Did they contact a U.S. consulate or the U.S. Embassy in Canada. Border Patrol agencies, etc. The keystone pipeline cannot cross the border with approval from the Secretary of State. Just sayin' |
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Speaking of that pipeline, that's another thing. Everyone except the environmentalists agree that it's a no-brainer, and even the environmentalists agree that a pipeline is safer then shipping that oil by sea. Canada has enough oil to last us over 400 years so we can sell lots of it cuz in 400 years there will be different technologies to drive our cars. Canada has as much oil as Saudi Arabia, but is all mixed with sand, and it's only within the past 20 years that they've found efficient ways to process it, and that technology is evolving rapidly. We've got lots of oil and you guys are buying oil from Venezuela and Saudi Arabia and even Nigeria now. Shipping Canadian oil to be refined in the USA and distributed as everything from asphalt to aviation fuel will: 1. help both of our economies, 2. lessen US independance on oil from politically unstable and unfriendly regions, 3. reduce the potential for a much greater environmental disaster if that oil has to be transported over water by boat, and 4. create tens of thousands of jobs during the construction and lots of long term high paying jobs on both sides of the border. ...and your President has knowledgeable advisors that are telling him as much. We need to go ahead and build that pipe line to grow both of our economies. Last edited by nestork : June 10th 13 at 07:43 PM |
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 09:33:00 -0700, Oren wrote:
The keystone pipeline cannot cross the border with approval from the Secretary of State. Should read "without" approval. Damn keyboard Just sayin' Just sayin' |
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On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:33:50 +0200, nestork
wrote: Whatever, if the trailer isn't in Oklahoma by now then the food is probably already spoiled. Canned good and dry goods are probably OK for another 2 to 5 years. But, there really should be some way of getting food and disaster relief across the border quickly and efficiently because people can't go long without clean water to drink, and life can be really miserable without food to eat, warm blankets and Lord knows, diapers. There is. It is called proper paperwork. Custom declarations are easy enough to fill out. Thee were some well intentioned people that just lacked the knowledge of international shipments. I'd lay some of the blame on the driver too, if he has ever crossed the border. Drivers don't leave until they have paperwork in hand and in commercial instances, faxed to the border ahead of time. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
There is. It is called proper paperwork. Custom declarations are easy enough to fill out. What sort of paperwork would a group of charity workers in France need to fill out if they wanted to send some relief supplies to Germany? (in other words, why exactly do we still have a border between US/Canada that is more similar to that between north and south Korea?) |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
And Americans come from all over the US to rebuild Okla. after tornadoes
In other words, we are exactly like every other country--populated by devils, angels, and everything in between. -- Wes Groleau A UNIX signature isn't a return address, it's the ASCII equivalent of a black velvet clown painting. It's a rectangle of carets surrounding a quote from a literary giant of weeniedom like Heinlein or Dr. Who. €” Chris Maeda Ha, ha, Dr. ..... Who's Chris Maeda? €” Wes Groleau |
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Americans come from all over the US to loot Okla. after tornadoes
As far as the scrap material from the structures that were trashed,
what else was going to be done with them? I assume *someone* was eventually going to collect it and profit from it. So you're only happy if some state-sanctioned vultures get their hands on it? |
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pongespob wrote: As far as the scrap material from the structures that were trashed, what else was going to be done with them? I assume *someone* was eventually going to collect it and profit from it. So you're only happy if some state-sanctioned vultures get their hands on it? Locally (north Alabama) storm debris get hauled to landfills. There's not even any attempt to salvage trees for lumber, firewood, or pulp. One of my co-workers home was hit in April 2011; he had a 4' diameter red oak tree blown down that was sawed into "small" pieces and dumped. As he is a woodworker, it bothered him to see it go to waste. Gary |
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On 06/16/2013 08:05 AM, Gary Heston wrote:
In article , pongespob wrote: As far as the scrap material from the structures that were trashed, what else was going to be done with them? I assume *someone* was eventually going to collect it and profit from it. So you're only happy if some state-sanctioned vultures get their hands on it? Locally (north Alabama) storm debris get hauled to landfills. There's not even any attempt to salvage trees for lumber, firewood, or pulp. One of my co-workers home was hit in April 2011; he had a 4' diameter red oak tree blown down that was sawed into "small" pieces and dumped. As he is a woodworker, it bothered him to see it go to waste. Crying shame. In December 2011 the 100+mph winds blew down thousands of trees and tree parts, mostly street tree. The ironic thing is that the residents aren't permitted to trim the street trees and the City can't afford to do a proper trimming job more frequently than SUPPOSEDLY every five years. They spent all the money on pretty street lights and fancy paving in the downtown crosswalks. It took months for the City to clear up the mess, and there are still tree stumps still partially in the ground, but they can clear Colorado Blvd. within hours after the Rose Parade. Now instead of actually repairing the heaved sidewalks, they just put in some blacktop to make a smooth transition between blocks -- sometimes as much as an 8-inch difference in height. It's not only the Feds that are incompetent or corrupt... -- Cheers, Bev -------------------------------------------- The stone age didn't end for lack of stones. -- Troy the Troll |
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