"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target – after the government
already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other
everyday items for Americans – in a crusade against carbon emissions."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road

Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not
stated.

On 6/6/2013 3:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:
"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target – after the government
already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other
everyday items for Americans – in a crusade against carbon emissions."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road

Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not
stated.

All they did was update the guidelines already in place. That's SOP.
It is generally done every ten years for household appliances. The
gov't's position is that as technological improvements over time
provides means to reduce energy consumption, companies manufacturing
household appliances should be motivated to use those improvements to
produce more energy-efficient products.

The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards
organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic. With the
microwave oven standard, the gov't decided that requiring
manufacturers to use the revised test protocol for measuring standby
power consumption would place a significant burden on the companies,
so it agreed that they can continue to use the current testing
protocol. The gov't also agreed to the manufacturers' request to
exempt combination microwave ovens (convection/microwave, or
conventional oven plus microwave) from the standby power guidelines.

The gov't energy efficiency guidelines for microwave ovens
particularly focus on their energy consumption during their standby
and off power modes. Improved standards means that microwave on your
counter will add less to your monthly electric bill when it is just
sitting there between uses.

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:30:37 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 6/6/2013 3:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:

"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target � after the government

already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other

everyday items for Americans � in a crusade against carbon emissions."



http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road



Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not

stated.



All they did was update the guidelines already in place. That's SOP.

It is generally done every ten years for household appliances. The

gov't's position is that as technological improvements over time

provides means to reduce energy consumption, companies manufacturing

household appliances should be motivated to use those improvements to

produce more energy-efficient products.



The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards

organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic. With the

microwave oven standard, the gov't decided that requiring

manufacturers to use the revised test protocol for measuring standby

power consumption would place a significant burden on the companies,

so it agreed that they can continue to use the current testing

protocol. The gov't also agreed to the manufacturers' request to

exempt combination microwave ovens (convection/microwave, or

conventional oven plus microwave) from the standby power guidelines.



The gov't energy efficiency guidelines for microwave ovens

particularly focus on their energy consumption during their standby

and off power modes. Improved standards means that microwave on your

counter will add less to your monthly electric bill when it is just

sitting there between uses.

“The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards
organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic.”

Then somebody needs a reality check because if I’m scared every time I open the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperature to recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with less than half the light output of so called “energy saving” dinky bulbs or have to run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I used to with my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought looked so good in the store was because it was on the high output “demonstration” setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demonstration every time I change the channel or if those double pane “energy saving” window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I used to in order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to either pay a fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle under the hood of my vehicle because of “emission” or “power saving” plastic junk under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (consumer price index, rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but can’t find to buy anymore they can take their “improved standards” and shove them up their tight bungholes.

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On Thursday, June 6, 2013 6:30:37 AM UTC-7, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 6/6/2013 3:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:

"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target � after the government

already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other

everyday items for Americans � in a crusade against carbon emissions."



http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road



Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not

stated.



All they did was update the guidelines already in place. That's SOP.

It is generally done every ten years for household appliances. The

gov't's position is that as technological improvements over time

provides means to reduce energy consumption, companies manufacturing

household appliances should be motivated to use those improvements to

produce more energy-efficient products.



The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards

organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic. With the

microwave oven standard, the gov't decided that requiring

manufacturers to use the revised test protocol for measuring standby

power consumption would place a significant burden on the companies,

so it agreed that they can continue to use the current testing

protocol. The gov't also agreed to the manufacturers' request to

exempt combination microwave ovens (convection/microwave, or

conventional oven plus microwave) from the standby power guidelines.



The gov't energy efficiency guidelines for microwave ovens

particularly focus on their energy consumption during their standby

and off power modes. Improved standards means that microwave on your

counter will add less to your monthly electric bill when it is just

sitting there between uses.

“The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards
organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic.”

Then somebody needs a reality check because if I’m scared every time I open
the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperature to
recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with less than
half the light output of so called “energy saving” dinky bulbs or have to
run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I used to with
my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought looked so
good in the store was because it was on the high output “demonstration”
setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demonstration
every time I change the channel or if those double pane “energy saving”
window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I used to in
order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to either pay a
fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle under the
hood of my vehicle because of “emission” or “power saving” plastic junk
under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (consumer price index,
rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but can’t find to buy
anymore they can take their “improved standards” and shove them up their
tight bungholes.

{{

We had a place in the mountains that was 100% off grid (built ~ 20+ years
back). Before we sold it we added a room. The choice was to pay the cost
of additional off grid energy production or decrease the amount of energy we
used. It was simply more economical to replace appliances and other energy
consumption devices.

Now that's a circumstance specific solution but writ large in the general
population having standards for the manufacture of appliances that are more
energy efficient means less cost for the individual and society in general.

As to opening the fridge door if that's a real concern perhaps you should
have purchased a cheast type fridge (less energy leaks out)

On 06/06/2013 03:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:
"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target – after the government
already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other
everyday items for Americans – in a crusade against carbon emissions."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road

Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not
stated.


Note that the following is not known to be true. If might be:

Every microwave contains an important part called a L-thingy. There are
two types. Type B uses a new manufacturing process that releases 85%
less CO2, and decreases energy consumption by 18% during cooking. It
will convert the entire oven into oxygen when disposed of. Type A works.

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:35:34 AM UTC-4, wrote:
Then somebody needs a reality check because if I’m scared every time I open the door of my refrigerator because it takes forever for the temperature to recover or have to either add more light fixtures or contend with less than half the light output of so called “energy saving” dinky bulbs or have to run my washing machine or dishwasher twice to get the results I used to with my old machine or find that the reason the new TV that I bought looked so good in the store was because it was on the high output “demonstration” setting and now if I watch it on that same setting I get a demonstration every time I change the channel or if those double pane “energy saving” window glasses ever break either I have to pay ten times what I used to in order to replace it or replace the entire window or have to either pay a fortune on tools or repair because it looks like a tropical jungle under the hood of my vehicle because of “emission” or “power saving” plastic junk under there and all the while they calculate the CPI (consumer price index, rate of inflation) based on what I used to have but can’t find to buy anymore they can take their “improved standards” and shove them up their tight bungholes.

I really don't think we'd be any better off if we'd kept things the way they were in the 50's... I think we'd be paying out just as much $$$ but it would ALL go to paying for electricity, natural gas, and gasoline. There'd be no affording Internet, smart phones, cable TV, video games, air conditioning... All that would still be the exclusive playground for the extremely rich.

On Jun 6, 12:11 pm, sam E wrote:

Note that the following is not known to be true. If might be:

Every microwave contains an important part called a L-thingy. There are
two types. Type B uses a new manufacturing process that releases 85%
less CO2, and decreases energy consumption by 18% during cooking. It
will convert the entire oven into oxygen when disposed of. Type A works.

It is absolutely true. I have smoked it many times.....

Moe DeLoughan wrote:
On 6/6/2013 3:18 AM, HeyBub wrote:
"Microwave ovens are the newest federal target – after the government
already weighed in on light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other
everyday items for Americans – in a crusade against carbon emissions."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-microwave-regs-likened-taking-12-million-new-cars-road


Exactly how regulating microwaves will diminish CO2 emissions was not
stated.

"“That’s why we are proud to announce today that the Department of
Energy has finalized new energy efficiency standards for microwaves,
which will save consumers billions on their energy bills over the coming
decades and prevent 38 million metric tons of carbon emissions".

I like the idea that it will save billions on my energy bill over the
coming decades, if I live that long.


All they did was update the guidelines already in place. That's SOP. It
is generally done every ten years for household appliances. The gov't's
position is that as technological improvements over time provides means
to reduce energy consumption, companies manufacturing household
appliances should be motivated to use those improvements to produce more
energy-efficient products.

The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards
organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic. With the
microwave oven standard, the gov't decided that requiring manufacturers
to use the revised test protocol for measuring standby power consumption
would place a significant burden on the companies, so it agreed that
they can continue to use the current testing protocol. The gov't also
agreed to the manufacturers' request to exempt combination microwave
ovens (convection/microwave, or conventional oven plus microwave) from
the standby power guidelines.

The gov't energy efficiency guidelines for microwave ovens particularly
focus on their energy consumption during their standby and off power
modes. Improved standards means that microwave on your counter will add
less to your monthly electric bill when it is just sitting there between
uses.


--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
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willshak wrote:

"³That¹s why we are proud to announce today that the Department of
Energy has finalized new energy efficiency standards for microwaves,
which will save consumers billions on their energy bills over the coming
decades and prevent 38 million metric tons of carbon emissions".

I like the idea that it will save billions on my energy bill over the
coming decades, if I live that long.

as long as you are "consumers"

As a cynical, cantankerous old man. I am predicting that the new microwave ovens will cost $100 more, will take twice as long to cook, and will have much smaller inner ovens, so you need to cook smaller portions. The price to electric savings will be about 1.5 times longer than the average use and life span of such microwave. Mexico and Canada will be immediate supply of old microwaves, and 3.5 gal per flush toilets which consumers turn out to prefer.
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"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message news:atlas-bugged-

"³That¹s why we are proud to announce today that the Department of
Energy has finalized new energy efficiency standards for microwaves,
which will save consumers billions on their energy bills over the coming
decades and prevent 38 million metric tons of carbon emissions".

I like the idea that it will save billions on my energy bill over the
coming decades, if I live that long.

as long as you are "consumers"

Well, microwave ovens are cheap so you can always go buy a couple spares
before they start producing more energy efficient ones. You can
stockpile them right next to your stash of 100 watt incandescent bulbs.

Moe DeLoughan wrote:

The gov't works closely with the manufacturers and standards
organizations to determine what is feasible and realistic.

Giggle.

On Thursday, June 6, 2013 12:50:07 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
As a cynical, cantankerous old man. I am predicting that the new microwave ovens will cost $100 more, will take twice as long to cook, and will have much smaller inner ovens, so you need to cook smaller portions. The price to electric savings will be about 1.5 times longer than the average use and life span of such microwave. Mexico and Canada will be immediate supply of old microwaves, and 3.5 gal per flush toilets which consumers turn out to prefer.

.

Christopher A. Young

Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org

.

.

"Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" wrote in message news:atlas-bugged-



"³That¹s why we are proud to announce today that the Department of

Energy has finalized new energy efficiency standards for microwaves,

which will save consumers billions on their energy bills over the coming

decades and prevent 38 million metric tons of carbon emissions".



I like the idea that it will save billions on my energy bill over the

coming decades, if I live that long.



as long as you are "consumers"

This is what I used to adjust the tank
mounting bolt holes of my new toilet
bowl so that I could use by big old tank with it
instead of one of those plumber time eater tanks
that cause the toilet to get clogged all the time.

http://www.eternaltools.com/wp-conte...d-Cylinder.gif

What I can't figure out is where's the room for improvement on a microwave oven.

My understanding is that magnetrons convert electrical energy into microwaves very efficiently, and microwaves are very efficient at making water molecules in the food vibrate. The microwave oven itself doesn't get hot, so there's no wasted heat there. Where are they going to improve efficiency?

Maybe they'll just figure out a way to make the new microwaves really annoying to use so you get pi$$ed off with it and eat your food cold.

On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 14:55:44 -0700 (PDT),
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This is what I used to adjust the tank
mounting bolt holes of my new toilet
bowl so that I could use by big old tank with it
instead of one of those plumber time eater tanks
that cause the toilet to get clogged all the time.

Not needed today. The new models don't clog. We remodeled out office
in 2008 and put in four new toilets. Not one clog. I put one in at
home too and will do another one soon.

You are right about the originals, but in the past half dozen years
they figured it out and make them work well.