Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-gay-wedding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

You think? What would have happened if a Muslim shop refused to serve a Jew?
Or if a gay couple refused to do flowers for a straight couple?
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"JoeBro" wrote in message
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Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-washington-gay-wedding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I don't think a priest/church/religious person should be forced to
officiate at a wedding that he/she/it disagrees with on religious
principles.

I think a wedding is going into a legal contract that should be performed
by a justice of the peace or someone with the same authority.
Separately, or concomitantly, the religious aspects of a wedding should
be done in/with a religious institution with which there is mutual
acceptance of the views of all involved.

The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious ceremony.
Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or institution
willing to pay the price of the flower seller. As a matter of fact,
other than the performance of religious acts, I cannot see anything that
would be subject to the religious views of the "seller".

With all due respect to the religious views of people on this group,
health insurance benefits issued by a religiously affiliated institution
(especially one receiving US Federal funds) are also out of bounds of
religiously conceived objections.

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10 Apr 2013 21:07:52 GMT, Han wrote:

With all due respect to the religious views of people on this group,
health insurance benefits issued by a religiously affiliated institution
(especially one receiving US Federal funds) are also out of bounds of
religiously conceived objections.

That is your opinion, not mine.

On 4/10/2013 4:07 PM, Han wrote:
JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I don't think a priest/church/religious person should be forced to
officiate at a wedding that he/she/it disagrees with on religious
principles.

I think a wedding is going into a legal contract that should be performed
by a justice of the peace or someone with the same authority.
Separately, or concomitantly, the religious aspects of a wedding should
be done in/with a religious institution with which there is mutual
acceptance of the views of all involved.

The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious ceremony.
Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or institution
willing to pay the price of the flower seller. As a matter of fact,
other than the performance of religious acts, I cannot see anything that
would be subject to the religious views of the "seller".

With all due respect to the religious views of people on this group,
health insurance benefits issued by a religiously affiliated institution
(especially one receiving US Federal funds) are also out of bounds of
religiously conceived objections.


Whew! I'm glad I can demand service from the Orthodox Jewish florist for
my Nazi themed wedding! ^_^

TDD

"Han" wrote in message
...
JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I don't think a priest/church/religious person should be forced to
officiate at a wedding that he/she/it disagrees with on religious
principles.

I think a wedding is going into a legal contract that should be performed
by a justice of the peace or someone with the same authority.
Separately, or concomitantly, the religious aspects of a wedding should
be done in/with a religious institution with which there is mutual
acceptance of the views of all involved.

The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious ceremony.
Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or institution
willing to pay the price of the flower seller. As a matter of fact,
other than the performance of religious acts, I cannot see anything that
would be subject to the religious views of the "seller".


What ever happened to to the right of a business owner to refuse service to
anyone?

That's fine, and the Jewish bankers can demand
service from the Muslim owned business, too.
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"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
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Whew! I'm glad I can demand service from the Orthodox Jewish florist for
my Nazi themed wedding! ^_^

TDD

Same as the rest of our rights. Someone was
offended, contacted the government, and the
Nation's Leaders tried to make their feelings
better.

Only works if you're a protected minority.
For example, the KKK can't refuse membership
to blacks, that's discriminitory. But, the NAACP
can refuse whites, that's their right.
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Christopher A. Young
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"ChairMan" wrote in message
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What ever happened to to the right of a
business owner to refuse service to
anyone?

JoeBro wrote in
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Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story



I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.


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Tegger

On 10 Apr 2013 21:07:52 GMT, Han wrote:




The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious ceremony.
Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or institution
willing to pay the price of the flower seller.

Absolutely correct. A business should also be able to NOT sell to
anyone they don't want to do business with for any reason.

Gordon Shumway wrote in
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On 10 Apr 2013 21:07:52 GMT, Han wrote:

With all due respect to the religious views of people on this group,
health insurance benefits issued by a religiously affiliated institution
(especially one receiving US Federal funds) are also out of bounds of
religiously conceived objections.

That is your opinion, not mine.

As I said, I respect other opinions ...

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"ChairMan" wrote in
:


"Han" wrote in message
...
JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...washington-gay
-w edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I don't think a priest/church/religious person should be forced to
officiate at a wedding that he/she/it disagrees with on religious
principles.

I think a wedding is going into a legal contract that should be
performed by a justice of the peace or someone with the same
authority. Separately, or concomitantly, the religious aspects of a
wedding should be done in/with a religious institution with which
there is mutual acceptance of the views of all involved.

The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious
ceremony. Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or
institution willing to pay the price of the flower seller. As a
matter of fact, other than the performance of religious acts, I
cannot see anything that would be subject to the religious views of
the "seller".


What ever happened to to the right of a business owner to refuse
service to anyone?

Apparently, it depends:
https://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Ed Pawlowski wrote in
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On 10 Apr 2013 21:07:52 GMT, Han wrote:
The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious
ceremony. Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or
institution willing to pay the price of the flower seller.

Absolutely correct. A business should also be able to NOT sell to
anyone they don't want to do business with for any reason.

Whether you like it or not, Ed, there are limits:
https://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/equal-rights/right-refuse-service

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"ChairMan" wrote in
:


"Han" wrote in message
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JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...washington-gay
-w edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

What ever happened to to the right of a business owner to refuse
service to anyone?

It got thrown out with the garbage when Amerika became a police state.

Substitute "rights" for "garbage" and I'll agree.
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"JoeBro" wrote in message
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Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding

What ever happened to to the right of a business owner to refuse
service to anyone?

It got thrown out with the garbage when Amerika became a police state.

On Apr 10, 11:08*pm, "ChairMan" wrote:
"Han" wrote in message

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JoeBro wrote in
0:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I don't think a priest/church/religious person should be forced to
officiate at a wedding that he/she/it disagrees with on religious
principles.

I think a wedding is going into a legal contract that should be performed
by a justice of the peace or someone with the same authority.
Separately, or concomitantly, the religious aspects of a wedding should
be done in/with a religious institution with which there is mutual
acceptance of the views of all involved.

The purchasing/sale of flowers to the public is not a religious ceremony.
Therefore, flowers should be available to any person or institution
willing to pay the price of the flower seller. *As a matter of fact,
other than the performance of religious acts, I cannot see anything that
would be subject to the religious views of the "seller".

What ever happened to to the right of a business owner to refuse service to
anyone?

Well they can refuse to serve anyone in the UK, no reason need be
given.
But see this.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...ight.html?oo=0

On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 23:18:48 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

JoeBro wrote in
0:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story



I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Any clue what Monday is?

On 4/10/2013 6:18 PM, Tegger wrote:
JoeBro wrote in
:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story



I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.



Slavery, though illegal everywhere, still exists all over the world even
underground in The United States. The last real holdout is the
country of Mauritania in West Africa. Ironic that slavery still exists
in of all places, Africa. o_O

TDD

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:17:50 -0400, wrote:

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Any clue what Monday is?

The day I get my refund back? g

On Apr 12, 2:46*am, The Daring Dufas the-daring-du...@stinky-
finger.net wrote:
On 4/10/2013 6:18 PM, Tegger wrote:

JoeBro wrote in
0:

Not much freedom left here.

Washington sues florist who said no to a same-sex wedding
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...shington-gay-w
edding-florist-arlene-20130410,0,5981622.story

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Slavery, though illegal everywhere, still exists all over the world even
underground in The United States. The last real holdout is the
country of Mauritania in West Africa. Ironic that slavery still exists
in of all places, Africa. o_O

TDD

Big business here in the UK & the rest of Europe. Often linked to
prostitution and sweat shop labour.
E. European criminal gangs bring in girls from E.Europe and elsewhere.

On 2013-04-12, The Daring Dufas wrote:

country of Mauritania in West Africa. Ironic that slavery still exists
in of all places, Africa. o_O

Ragheads. Figures.

nb

On 4/12/2013 2:56 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2013-04-12, The Daring Dufas wrote:

country of Mauritania in West Africa. Ironic that slavery still exists
in of all places, Africa. o_O

Ragheads. Figures.

nb


Oooo dat's racist! o_O

TDD

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:11:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:17:50 -0400, wrote:

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Any clue what Monday is?

The day I get my refund back? g

So you let them keep your money, interest free, for the year? So did
I (I think - haven't even started) but I screwed up. I usually pay
between $2000 and $6000. I'd rather owe it to them than have to beat
it out of them. ;-)

On Friday, April 12, 2013 10:05:29 AM UTC-4, wrote:
So you let them keep your money, interest free, for the year? So did
I (I think - haven't even started) but I screwed up. I usually pay
between $2000 and $6000. I'd rather owe it to them than have to beat
it out of them. ;-)

I got no choice. There's no legal number of exemptions I can put on my withholding statement that will keep the Fed from keeping some of my money for a year.

My refund amounts to about $150 per paycheck. I changed withholding to 1. I got $35 in the next paycheck.

After changing it to 2, I got $55 in the next paycheck.

After changing it to 3, I got $65 in the next paycheck.

By the rate of diminishing returns I would need to set my withholding to about 27 to break even. Then I'd have the IRS all up in my grille wondering where my 27 kids were.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Friday, April 12, 2013 10:05:29 AM UTC-4, wrote:
So you let them keep your money, interest free, for the year? So did
I (I think - haven't even started) but I screwed up. I usually pay
between $2000 and $6000. I'd rather owe it to them than have to beat
it out of them. ;-)

I got no choice. There's no legal number of exemptions I can put on my withholding statement that will keep the Fed from keeping some of my money for a year.

Not true. You might have to justify it to some government slimeball
but that's simply not true.

My refund amounts to about $150 per paycheck. I changed withholding to 1. I got $35 in the next paycheck.

After changing it to 2, I got $55 in the next paycheck.

After changing it to 3, I got $65 in the next paycheck.

By the rate of diminishing returns I would need to set my withholding to about 27 to break even. Then I'd have the IRS all up in my grille wondering where my 27 kids were.

Not believing you.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:11:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:17:50 -0400, wrote:

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Any clue what Monday is?

The day I get my refund back? g

So you let them keep your money, interest free, for the year? So did
I (I think - haven't even started) but I screwed up. I usually pay
between $2000 and $6000. I'd rather owe it to them than have to beat
it out of them. ;-)

I turn it all over to the tax man. The same guy for ~25 years. I hate
paying and only have very few times in much of my life. After all is
said and done, the refunds are not real big. Hey a grand works for me
this year.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:29:06 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 10:05:29 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:11:00 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 20:17:50 -0400, wrote:

I thought slavery was outlawed in 1865.

Any clue what Monday is?

The day I get my refund back? g

So you let them keep your money, interest free, for the year? So did
I (I think - haven't even started) but I screwed up. I usually pay
between $2000 and $6000. I'd rather owe it to them than have to beat
it out of them. ;-)

I turn it all over to the tax man. The same guy for ~25 years. I hate
paying and only have very few times in much of my life. After all is
said and done, the refunds are not real big. Hey a grand works for me
this year.

For simple years, my wife does it all with pencil and paper. We
haven't had one of those for a decade or so, though. This year it
took me twelve hours yesterday and four today, *with* TurboTax. It's
two states (got screwed on that deal), moving, job expenses and other
stuff that made it a real pain in the ass. I had to get help from
TurboTax (three hours on chat "hold") for one problem. Next year we
add rental income (fun, fun) but no moving or any of that crap. After
that it *should* be back to pretty simple forms.