From an American Petroleum Institute report:

"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an
elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,
and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles tested.
E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty
check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components to
break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could
result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and
highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests
when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate how
many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and
other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say
that millions could be impacted."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
From an American Petroleum Institute report:

"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an
elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,
and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles tested.
E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty
check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components
to break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components
could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and
highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests
when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate how
many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and
other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say
that millions could be impacted."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

Related question.

The auto manufactures can and have made cars that run on E10 and E85 and if
I understand pure alcohol. My question is how much does it cost to make a
car that can run on E85 and E100 as compared to one that (barely/badly) runs
on E10?

On Jan 31, 12:09*am, "NotMe" wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message

m...





From an American Petroleum Institute report:

"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an
elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,
and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles tested.
E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty
check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components
to break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components
could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and
highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests
when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate how
many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and
other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say
that millions could be impacted."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...n-auto-engines...

Related question.

The auto manufactures can and have made cars that run on E10 and E85 and if
I understand pure alcohol. *My question is how much does it cost to make a
car that can run on E85 and E100 as compared to one that (barely/badly) runs
on E10?- Hide quoted text -

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That's a mighty fine question. And I would extend it to small
engines as well. It seems a lot of small engines are remarkably
sensitive to ethanol. You would think it would be a big marketing
plus for a company to have a product that while costing a little
more it would feature being OK with alcohol.

On Jan 30, 11:09 pm, "NotMe" wrote:
ctures can and have made cars that run on E10 and E85 and if
I understand pure alcohol. My question is how much does it cost to make a
car that can run on E85 and E100 as compared to one that (barely/badly) runs
on E10?

There are much more constructive uses for ethanol than mixing it
with gasoline.

When mixed with orange or tomato juice, a quart of it can keep
a man happy for a week. However, in a lawnmower, it will make
a man miserable for an hour.

One needs to use the right tool for the right job !!!!

On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:50:47 PM UTC-7, HeyBub wrote:
From an American Petroleum Institute report:



"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an

elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,

and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles tested.

E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty

check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components to

break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could

result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and

highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests

when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate how

many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and

other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say

that millions could be impacted."



http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078


How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study. I'm sure they are neutral in their conclusions.

On 1/31/2013 2:56 PM, Roy wrote:
On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:50:47 PM UTC-7, HeyBub wrote:
From an American Petroleum Institute report:



"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an

elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,

and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles tested.

E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause faulty

check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components to

break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could

result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and

highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests

when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate how

many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and

other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say

that millions could be impacted."



http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078


How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study. I'm sure they are neutral in their conclusions.


You think that some suck ass group in cahoots with the government would
do better?

Even the Green God, Al Gore, has said the use of ethanol in gasoline was
a mistake.

Roy wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078


How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study. I'm
sure they are neutral in their conclusions.

I wouldn't expect the Sierra Club to be doing the study.

Still, it's a poor argument to fault the messenger.

On 1/31/2013 2:56 PM, Roy wrote:
How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study.
I'm sure they are neutral in their conclusions.


You could allege that about any expert group.

FWIW, I asked my Stihl, ExMark, Generac and Honda dealers. They all say
the same thing. Avoid ethanol in fuel if you can.

The only dealer that wouldn't even comment was the big green tractor
dealer...but they are making a boatload of money selling equipment to
the corn farmers. At least they didn't lie to me.

"Roy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:50:47 PM UTC-7, HeyBub wrote:
From an American Petroleum Institute report:

"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an
elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,
and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles
tested.

E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause
faulty
check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components
to
break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could
result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and
highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests
when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate
how
many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and
other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say
that millions could be impacted."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078


How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study. I'm sure
they are neutral in their conclusions.

I'm a retired engineer (EE not petroleum) and was licensed to work on
aircraft engines. The problem is not so much E15 but that the auto industry
has not elected to build engines that can run on E15. FWIW during WWII my
grandfather modified his vehicles to run on a number of 'non-standard fuels'
in part due to rationing but more as a function of cost.

I've looked at the data and the API is right on regardless of what their
world view might be.

FWIW the current fuel systems can be modified but at considerable expense.

On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.

Sy Philis wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.

Govt says new fuel cans are good.

Greg

The government said to get onto this cattle car, you're going for a shower.

Take your flu shot.

Thalidomide is safe for pregnant women.

Agent Orange is just weed killer. It won't hurt people.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Sy Philis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.

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"Stormin Mormon" wrote:

The government said to get onto this cattle car, you're going for a shower.

Take your flu shot.

Thalidomide is safe for pregnant women.

Agent Orange is just weed killer. It won't hurt people.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Sy Philis" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...-engines/artic
le/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.

Don't forget that trickle down economics is good for people

On 2/25/2013 7:02 PM, Sy Philis wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.


And this is the National Petroleum Institute saying, naturally, that
it isn't. I'd no more take their word for it than I'd take the word of
the ethanol companies that it is safe.

We've been using E10 gas in Minnesota for the past thirty years or so.
If there was a problem with it, it would have affected hundreds of
thousands of engines by now. That hasn't happened, so the fears about
E10 are unfounded.

E15 is another issue because it's a newer, untried blend. Researchers
looking into it have said that it appears to be generally safe BUT it
could potentially damage parts of older engines that were not designed
to run on it. The gov't and the ethanol lobby interpreted that to mean
it is safe.

Who are you gonna believe? Me, I'm looking at what the automakers are
saying, especially with regards to warranty issues on cars running
E15. Several automakers have said they don't believe E15 should be
used in their vehicles because they weren't designed and built to run
on it. Some are going so far as to put warning labels inside their gas
filler doors.

That's good enough for me. When the automakers start producing engines
that they warrant can safely run E15, I won't worry about it. Until
then, I'll avoid it.

On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 01:51:10 +0000 (UTC), gregz
wrote in

Re E15 is EVIL!:

Sy Philis wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:03:12 --0800, Malcolm "Mal" Reynolds
wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078

erratic fuel gauge readings? how

The government says E15 is safe.

Govt says new fuel cans are good.

Greg

What do you mean by "new"? The 2013 version, the 2012 version, the
2011 version, the 2010 version the 2009 version, the 2008 version ...
the 1999 version...

I'm expecting some TLA to mandate that gas stations have to sell E15, from
now on. You might not be able to find less E than that.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Moe DeLoughan" wrote in message
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Several automakers have said they don't believe E15 should be
used in their vehicles because they weren't designed and built to run
on it. Some are going so far as to put warning labels inside their gas
filler doors.

That's good enough for me. When the automakers start producing engines
that they warrant can safely run E15, I won't worry about it. Until
then, I'll avoid it.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...dy_needed.aspx

On Friday, February 1, 2013 9:45:28 PM UTC-7, NotMe wrote:
"Roy" wrote in message

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On Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:50:47 PM UTC-7, HeyBub wrote:

From an American Petroleum Institute report:



"The additional E15 testing, completed this month, has identified an

elevated incidence of fuel pump failures, fuel system component swelling,

and impairment of fuel measurement systems in some of the vehicles

tested.



E15 could cause erratic and misleading fuel gauge readings or cause

faulty

check engine light illuminations. It also could cause critical components

to

break and stop fuel flow to the engine. Failure of these components could

result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and

highways. Fuel system component problems did not develop in the CRC tests

when either E10 or E0 was used. It is difficult to precisely calculate

how

many vehicles E15 could harm. That depends on how widely it is used and

other factors. But, given the kinds of vehicles tested, it is safe to say

that millions could be impacted."



http://washingtonexaminer.com/study-...rticle/2520078





How nice of the "American Petroleum Institute" to do his study. I'm sure

they are neutral in their conclusions.



I'm a retired engineer (EE not petroleum) and was licensed to work on

aircraft engines. The problem is not so much E15 but that the auto industry

has not elected to build engines that can run on E15. FWIW during WWII my

grandfather modified his vehicles to run on a number of 'non-standard fuels'

in part due to rationing but more as a function of cost.



I've looked at the data and the API is right on regardless of what their

world view might be.



FWIW the current fuel systems can be modified but at considerable expense.

My Dodge van is engineered to burn E85 fuel but there is NONE available.

On 3/2/13 6:58 PM, Roy wrote:

My Dodge van is engineered to burn E85 fuel but there is NONE available.


Have you checked he http://www.e85locator.net ?
E85 has about 27% less energy compared to regular gas according to
this: http://tinyurl.com/atlz6pq

You're not in NYS?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Roy" wrote in message
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My Dodge van is engineered to burn E85 fuel but there is NONE available.

On Saturday, March 2, 2013 6:13:17 PM UTC-7, Dean Hoffman wrote:
On 3/2/13 6:58 PM, Roy wrote:



My Dodge van is engineered to burn E85 fuel but there is NONE available.





Have you checked he http://www.e85locator.net ?

E85 has about 27% less energy compared to regular gas according to

this: http://tinyurl.com/atlz6pq

Appreciate the reply...one problem...I live in Alberta, Canada and our local towns have NO E85 pumps as yet.

Anyway, thanks...I will use the info for when I go down to visit some relations in Idaho and Washington.

In article ,
"Attila Iskander" wrote:



You mean like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Sequestration, No budget in how
many years ??

None of which were criminal acts



How many people did Nixon get killed with Watergate ?

How many Presidents and Vice-Presidents have resigned?


Like that kind of embarrassing ?

No, like having to resign embarrassing



You are a moron.
Off the the dumpster with you.

ah, yet another republican that can't stand the heat