This weekend, I needed to remove a poison oak plant along
my property but the plant was too big and too much on a hill
for spraying; so I cut it with an 18" chainsaw and packed
it up for proper disposal.

After just two hours, I was covered in the poison oak oil
(my clothes came out of the wash all streaked black as if
the kids had taken a black marker to them) - but I had to
stop as the two recyling bins were jam packed to the brim.

Since I still have a few more poison oak plants to remove,
I'm wondering if you outdoor experts have a better way than
what I'm doing for removal of a poison oak plant from your
property? (The last picture is of me washing up!)

Here are 19 annotated pictures, taken sequentially.
1. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912409.jpg
2. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912411.jpg
3. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912412.jpg
4. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912413.jpg
5. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912414.jpg
6. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912415.jpg
7. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912417.jpg
8. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912419.jpg
9. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912420.jpg
10. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912421.jpg
11. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912422.jpg
12. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912423.jpg
13. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912424.jpg
14. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912425.jpg
15. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912426.jpg
16. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912427.jpg
17. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912428.jpg
18. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912429.jpg
19. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912430.jpg

I didn't measure it, but this one plant is about 20 feet long
(or so), by about 20 feet deep down a hill - but I only removed
about 5 feet along the curb as I ran out of room in the bins.

On Jan 8, 2:31*am, "Danny D." wrote:
...snip...
Since I still have a few more poison oak plants to remove,
I'm wondering if you outdoor experts have a better way than
what I'm doing for removal of a poison oak plant from your
property? (The last picture is of me washing up!)

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were
used to 'maintain' the landscape. Goats were happy. People were happy.
Now THAT is recycling!

Brilliant idea, just stay away from the poison oak
goat turds?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Robert Macy" wrote in message
...

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE
poison oak were used to 'maintain' the landscape.
Goats were happy. People were happy. Now
THAT is recycling!

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:58:45 -0800, Robert Macy wrote:

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were used
to 'maintain' the landscape.

Friends down the street actually have goats, and they concur.
The key problem for them to lend me the goats is that the land isn't
fenced in.

Can the goats be tethered on aircraft cable lines? So the goats don't chew
themselves free?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Danny D." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:58:45 -0800, Robert Macy wrote:

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were used
to 'maintain' the landscape.

Friends down the street actually have goats, and they concur.
The key problem for them to lend me the goats is that the land isn't
fenced in.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:23:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Can the goats be tethered on aircraft cable lines?
So the goats don't chew themselves free?

That's an interesting and clever idea!

But, at this point, I'm not goating there!

In article ,
Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:23:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Can the goats be tethered on aircraft cable lines?
So the goats don't chew themselves free?

That's an interesting and clever idea!

But, at this point, I'm not goating there!

I agree, wouldn't want to horn in...



--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Hey, let me know if you need a top poster to
goat (goad) you on. Ha, ha!

As to applying salt. I think the choices include to dissolve in water and
spray, or to sprinkle it on the ground. Poultices are too much work, and
it's not alcohol soluoble enough to make tinctures. I'd think sprinkling on
the ground at the base of the plants. With the size of your infestation, you
may need a snow thrower to distribute the salt pellets. We can safely rule
out IM or IV inejctions.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Danny D." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:23:14 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Can the goats be tethered on aircraft cable lines?
So the goats don't chew themselves free?

That's an interesting and clever idea!

But, at this point, I'm not goating there!

On Jan 8, 12:58*pm, "Danny D." wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:58:45 -0800, Robert Macy wrote:
In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were used
to 'maintain' the landscape.

Friends down the street actually have goats, and they concur.
The key problem for them to lend me the goats is that the land isn't
fenced in.

tethered?

At the same moment, we had the same idea
to teher. (sorry, not funny.)

We'd come up with an idea. One, or t'ether.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Robert Macy" wrote in message
...

tethered?

On Jan 8, 3:43*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:
At the same moment, we had the same idea
to teher. (sorry, not funny.)

We'd come up with an idea. *One, or t'ether.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
*www.lds.org
.

"Robert Macy" wrote in message

...

tethered?

arrrggg! what did I do to deserve this punishment?

"Danny D." wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 05:58:45 -0800, Robert Macy wrote:

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were used
to 'maintain' the landscape.

Friends down the street actually have goats, and they concur.
The key problem for them to lend me the goats is that the land isn't
fenced in.

Goat(s) on a rope?

In the PNW, you can rent goats for blackberry control, along with sections of
portable chainlink fence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9jxa7T6WGQ

How about power pruners like: http://www.blackanddecker.com/outdoor/LP1000.aspx
or the pro versions?

Do you know about Technu IvyBlock and Technu Extreme? http://www.ivyblock.com/
http://www.teclabsinc.com/store/pois.../tecnu-extreme A friend who is
exquisitely sensitive to poison oak/ivy/sumac swears by it.

Kay

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 10:42:03 +0000, Kay Lancaster wrote:

How about power pruners like:
http://www.blackanddecker.com/outdoor/LP1000.aspx or the pro versions?

Wow. That looks like a mean pruner!
This is the FIRST suggestion which is actually affordable (i.e., $80).
I do have a 20 inch hedge clipper - but it gets hung up on the vines all
the time, so I didn't even mention it. But THIS pruner, wow, it sure
looks like it might do the job if I can get an 18-inch long jaw.

Do you know about Technu IvyBlock and Technu Extreme?

I've researched the chemicals in those expensive creams in great detail.
What I use is the cheaper base alternative shown in this photograph:
Bentonite clay (IvyBlock), Dawn Dish Detergent + alchohol (Technu/Zanfel)
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11917988.jpg

In my very humble opinion, only people who work for the government (e.g.,
firemen) can afford these expensive $40/ounce solutions.

The problem with IvyBlock (or my driller's clay) is that you have to put
it on ahead of time; and the problem with Technu (or dish detergent +
alcohol) is that it mostly works in the first 15 minutes.

But, I just found this patent which will give me a great new solution!
- United States Patent 4,594,239, June 10, 1986,
- Method for neutralizing offensive chemicals
- http://tinyurl.com/ah7myn3

I can take diluted bleach (or pool trichlor) and mix it with rubbing
alcohol (or acetone) as a wetting agent, and that will oxidize the
urushiol sap just enough so that the body's T Cells won't recognize it
anymore as offensive.

The beauty of this (new to me) approach is that I can afford to slather
this new decontamination solution on my face, hands, wrists, ears, and
neck every fifteen minutes while working in the ravines.

The amazing thing is that I had never heard of this decontamination
solution until just yesterday! I found it out on rec.photo.digital when I
asked how to decontaminate my expensive Nikon SLR which is clearly
covered in urushiol sap by now!

On 01-08-2013 08:58, Robert Macy wrote:
In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were
used to 'maintain' the landscape. Goats were happy. People were happy.
Now THAT is recycling!

Even better, dairy goats. Drinking the milk of goats that eat poison
oak tends to give you a partial immunity.

--
Wes Groleau

Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:22:22 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote:

Drinking the milk of goats that eat poison
oak tends to give you a partial immunity.

I wonder if it helps to be sensitized as a child to poison ivy (back
east) and then to be thoroughly exposed to poison oak (out west).

The only difference in the catechol oil urushiol is poison ivy urushiol
has a 15 carbon chain while poison oak urushiol has a 17 carbon chain.

But, slight differences, can sometimes make a huge difference in cell
mediated immune responses.

Note: I use free drillers bentonite instead of expensive ivy block; and I
use Dawn dishwashing liquid instead of $40/ounce Technu (only the
government can afford those prices!).

BTW, here's a dripping vine I cut today, the size of my wrist, just
dripping with urushiol!
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11917768.jpg

On Jan 8, 9:22*pm, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 01-08-2013 08:58, Robert Macy wrote:

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were
used to 'maintain' the landscape. Goats were happy. People were happy.
Now THAT is recycling!

Even better, dairy goats. *Drinking the milk of goats that eat poison
oak tends to give you a partial immunity.

--
Wes Groleau

* *Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?

Makes sense, just as eating local honey helps reduce 'spring fever'
reactions.

"Robert Macy" wrote

In California wilds, goats that preferentially ATE poison oak were
used to 'maintain' the landscape. Goats were happy. People were happy.
Now THAT is recycling!

Sheep also eat poison oak, and you can also clip them and sell their wool.
California has many shepherds who use them for exactly this kind of thing.

Danny,

Are controlled burns allowed in your area? Remember that uroshiol will
evaporate so you'll need full face protection and breathing apparatus. Stay
upwind, too.

Dave M.

"David L. Martel" wrote:

Are controlled burns allowed in your area?

Burning is the worst of all possible methods for poison oak
eradication.... using a defoliant is about the surest and easiest
method.
http://voices.yahoo.com/remove-poiso...s-3296890.html

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:30:23 -0500, David L. Martel wrote:

Are controlled burns allowed in your area?
Remember that uroshiol will evaporate
so you'll need full face protection and breathing apparatus.

Hi David,

No burns allowed.
Plus, the smoke could kill my neighbors.

This is California in a high fire hazard high smog zone.
It's my understanding we can't even use a wood-burning fireplace
for half the year, but that's for smog reasons. So burning is out.

But chain sawing wasn't all that great either.
The chain saw splattered urushiol all over the place.
My hair was covered in wood chips, as was my face.
The rest of my body was covered, except at the wrists and
ankles and lower back (my shirt kept pulling up and the tangly
vines would lightly smack me in the back as I pulled on them).

I didn't want to use a chain saw, but I would have been
there forever had I used clippers - and I've been spraying
it for years - it's just too large for spraying.

Clippers would (eventually work), but even clippers won't cut
the 5-inch thick vines anyway - and simply pulling was
crazy (I tried that first) because all the vines are
intertwined.

I once rented a cultivator and tried to push my way through,
but the vines simply fouled the cultivator blades, and the
hardest part was unwrapping them without getting the
urushiol all over my hands (an almost impossible task).

And, now I have the problem with getting rid of it.
I labeled the bins, so I hope they take them on trash day.

So that's why I ask.

"Danny D." wrote

This is California in a high fire hazard high smog zone.
It's my understanding we can't even use a wood-burning fireplace
for half the year, but that's for smog reasons. So burning is out.

Look for someone who rents out goats or sheep and have them come by and eat
the poison oak. Seriously. They love the stuff.

I wonder if it is possible to build or rebuild an immunity to poison ivy, like you can to iocaine powder (see Princess Bride).

I mention this because there was a recent article on egg allergies. Children with severe egg allergies were given trace amounts of diluted egg protein daily, slowly building from something like a millionth of an egg up to three eggs a day over a two year period, and they now eat eggs without difficulty. (not sure I remember the details, but that's the gist of the article)

On 01-09-2013 08:33, TimR wrote:
I wonder if it is possible to build or rebuild an immunity to poison ivy, like you can to iocaine powder (see Princess Bride).

Fictional stuff aside, I and others have noted becoming less sensitve to
poison oak over time and have attributed it to drinking the milk of
goats that eat the stuff. I am not aware of any experiments to test
that hypothesis, but the immune effect is real, whatever its cause.

--
Wes Groleau

€œBrigham Young agrees to confine himself to one woman,
if every member of Congress will do the same.€�
€” Weekly Republican, 1869

Danny,

I hope you are using Ivy Block or something similar. .

Dave M.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:01:11 -0500, David L. Martel wrote:

I hope you are using Ivy Block or something similar.

Heh heh. (I think) I may be a bit different than most people, partly
because I'm often literally slathered in urushiol laced sap, so I'd be
using gallons of those expensive cremes.

Of course, even with long-sleeved shirts, I still get rashes on my face,
ears, neck, wrists, hands, and ankles (I never can figure out how the
ankles get it, but they do).

Those expensive solutions (ivy block, technu, zanfel, etc.) are for
governments who can afford overpaying for them or for people who use only
a little bit, who also can afford the outrageous prices they charge.

Me?

What I use (as much as I need) is pictured he
http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11917988.jpg

IVYBLOCK:
After researching how Ivy Block came about (firemen didn't get poison oak
in their their arm pits which had deodorant containing bentonite), I
picked up that bag of bentonite clay from a well driller.

TECHNU/ZANFEL:
After researching how the $40/ounce spermicide-laced polyethylene-grit
detergents worked, I came up with 22 cents/ounce Dawn dishwashing liquid
as my affordable alternative, which I slather on with wanton abandon.

In addition, I just learned from this patent about a NEW SOLUTION!
- United States Patent 4,594,239, June 10, 1986,
- Method for neutralizing offensive chemicals
- http://tinyurl.com/ah7myn3

This solution (which also reputedly works for skunk stink) is essentially
a weak solution of a chloramine (such as the pool chemical trichlor) and
a weak solution of a wetting agent (such as rubbing alcohol or acetone).

This is good news because Ivy Block (and my bentonite substitute) only
works BEFORE exposure; and Technu/Zanfel mostly work best within 15
minutes of exposure (for the most part) ...

But, this cheap solution of, essentially, bleach + alcohol, can be rubbed
on my face, hands, wrists, neck, ears, etc., every 15 minutes while I'm
working!

I'm not one for old wives tales - so I have to experiment personally with
this patented idea - but the fact it has a patent is a good thing because
it must be vetted somehow with experimental results.

I wonder why I've NEVER SEEN THIS solution in the web searches to date???

That looks like an incredible lot of work, and a risk of some wicked
allergic reaction. I've not yet reacted to poison ivy, but know friends who
are super sensetive.

With poison ivy, I'm told not to burn it, as the fire releases the poison
into the air, and anyone down wind will have allergic reaction. Not sure
about poison oak.

You have courage, and a lot of hard work. And, you have my respect. Wonder
if the local municipality has chipper shredders to do this job?

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"Danny D." wrote in message
...
This weekend, I needed to remove a poison oak plant along
my property but the plant was too big and too much on a hill
for spraying; so I cut it with an 18" chainsaw and packed
it up for proper disposal.

After just two hours, I was covered in the poison oak oil
(my clothes came out of the wash all streaked black as if
the kids had taken a black marker to them) - but I had to
stop as the two recyling bins were jam packed to the brim.

Since I still have a few more poison oak plants to remove,
I'm wondering if you outdoor experts have a better way than
what I'm doing for removal of a poison oak plant from your
property? (The last picture is of me washing up!)

Here are 19 annotated pictures, taken sequentially.
1. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912409.jpg
2. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912411.jpg
3. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912412.jpg
4. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912413.jpg
5. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912414.jpg
6. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912415.jpg
7. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912417.jpg
8. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912419.jpg
9. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912420.jpg
10. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912421.jpg
11. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912422.jpg
12. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912423.jpg
13. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912424.jpg
14. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912425.jpg
15. http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912426.jpg
16. http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912427.jpg
17. http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912428.jpg
18. http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912429.jpg
19. http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912430.jpg

I didn't measure it, but this one plant is about 20 feet long
(or so), by about 20 feet deep down a hill - but I only removed
about 5 feet along the curb as I ran out of room in the bins.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 09:51:58 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote:

a risk of some wicked allergic reaction.

Hi Stormin,

I have a few red bubbly spots on me, but it's not too bad yet.
Mostly it's on my left wrist and right ankle and the back of my neck.
I'm very surprised my eyes don't itch since I kept getting chips caught
in my eye, and my camera & chainsaw have to be covered in urushiol too!

I cleaned the camera with rubbing alcohol (but I'm not sure if that
actually works) - but the strap needs cleaning somehow.

I've not yet reacted to poison ivy, but know friends
who are super sensitive.

I looked it up in gory detail. NOBODY is ever immune.

Eventually everyone gets it (unless they die first). It's like being in
war. Just because the first bullets didn't get you doesn't mean your cell
mediated immune reactions won't at some point kick in and the next one is
the one you regret.

Note: Actually, I'm told people with AIDS don't get it, but that's a
special case.

fire releases the poison into the air
Yes. I know. Inside your body, the immune reaction can kill you.

Wonder if the local municipality has chipper shredders to do this job?

I called the waste company - they just told me they won't take it.
Luckily I have a 4-inch chipper, but it's a royal pain getting anything
down the chute (I'm sorry I bought that loud monstrosity).

On Jan 8, 1:31*am, "Danny D." wrote:
This weekend, I needed to remove a poison oak plant along
my property but the plant was too big and too much on a hill
for spraying; so I cut it with an 18" chainsaw and packed
it up for proper disposal.

After just two hours, I was covered in the poison oak oil
(my clothes came out of the wash all streaked black as if
the kids had taken a black marker to them) - but I had to
stop as the two recyling bins were jam packed to the brim.

Since I still have a few more poison oak plants to remove,
I'm wondering if you outdoor experts have a better way than
what I'm doing for removal of a poison oak plant from your
property? (The last picture is of me washing up!)

Here are 19 annotated pictures, taken sequentially.
1.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912409.jpg
2.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912411.jpg
3.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912412.jpg
4.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912413.jpg
5.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912414.jpg
6.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912415.jpg
7.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912417.jpg
8.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912419.jpg
9.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912420.jpg
10.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912421.jpg
11.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912422.jpg
12.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912423.jpg
13.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912424.jpg
14.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912425.jpg
15.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912426.jpg
16.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912427.jpg
17.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912428.jpg
18.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912429.jpg
19.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912430.jpg

I didn't measure it, but this one plant is about 20 feet long
(or so), by about 20 feet deep down a hill - but I only removed
about 5 feet along the curb as I ran out of room in the bins.

Brush cutter / mower.. (rotary lawn mower on steroids)
http://www.drpower.com/prdSell.aspx?Name=fab-sp-pro1
http://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipm...067&catid=s446

Make sure the unit is powerful enough to handle the material size.
A large mower will chop material so disposal is at higher density or
chopped material could be left on ground.
Cutting path across hill face much faster than a chain saw.

Be prepared to follow up with the proper herbicide at the correct time
in the plant's yearly cycle.
True eradication is not a "one time" effort.

On Jan 8, 10:56*am, DD_BobK wrote:
On Jan 8, 1:31*am, "Danny D." wrote:





This weekend, I needed to remove a poison oak plant along
my property but the plant was too big and too much on a hill
for spraying; so I cut it with an 18" chainsaw and packed
it up for proper disposal.

After just two hours, I was covered in the poison oak oil
(my clothes came out of the wash all streaked black as if
the kids had taken a black marker to them) - but I had to
stop as the two recyling bins were jam packed to the brim.

Since I still have a few more poison oak plants to remove,
I'm wondering if you outdoor experts have a better way than
what I'm doing for removal of a poison oak plant from your
property? (The last picture is of me washing up!)

Here are 19 annotated pictures, taken sequentially.
1.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912409.jpg
2.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912411.jpg
3.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912412.jpg
4.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912413.jpg
5.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912414.jpg
6.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912415.jpg
7.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912417.jpg
8.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912419.jpg
9.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912420.jpg
10.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912421.jpg
11.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912422.jpg
12.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912423.jpg
13.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912424.jpg
14.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912425.jpg
15.http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912426.jpg
16.http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912427.jpg
17.http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912428.jpg
18.http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912429.jpg
19.http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11912430.jpg

I didn't measure it, but this one plant is about 20 feet long
(or so), by about 20 feet deep down a hill - but I only removed
about 5 feet along the curb as I ran out of room in the bins.

Brush cutter / mower.. (rotary lawn mower on steroids)http://www.drpower.com/prdSell.aspx?...itemid=0700067...

Make sure the unit is powerful enough to handle the material size.
A large mower will chop material so disposal is at higher density or
chopped material could be left on ground.
Cutting path across hill face much faster than a chain saw.

Be prepared to follow up with the proper herbicide at the correct time
in the plant's yearly cycle.
True eradication is not a "one time" effort.

Geez if access to this area is limited just cut all the plants at the
base with a loping cutter, mark each location by driving a stake in
the spot.....

then when it begins to regrow, herbicide it heavily.

i had great success on poision ivy by mixing 50% roundup with 50%
poision ivy killer... they wilted by the next morning and just died...
either seperately was not effective

do not chip or BURN !! Burning smoke will give anyone in area poision
whatever in the lungs! can be life threatening!!

why work hard if you can work easy? the dead plants will eventually
rot, but will be a itch hazard till they have rotted away...

but the OP will have a much easier job

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 11:05:32 AM UTC-5, bob haller wrote:
then when it begins to regrow, herbicide it heavily. i had great success on poision ivy by mixing 50% roundup with 50% poision ivy killer... they wilted by the next morning and just died... either seperately was not effective

Roundup has worked fine for me. The plants take about a week to die, but that gives time to get the poison through the system and kill it all. When they die the next day I don't get the root.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:46:24 -0800, TimR wrote:

Roundup has worked fine for me. The plants take about a week to die,
but that gives time to get the poison through the system

Hi Tim,

Yes. The Roundup weed killer works.

I buy this concentrate for about $100
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915887.jpg

The problem with Roundup isn't that it doesn't work.

The problem is getting to the plant, which fortresses itself with 10 to
20 feet of vines, such that I can't get the roundup to the leaves.

The fact the poison oak, out here, is always on a steep hill, makes it
doubly hard to get the roundup to the leaves.

I'm thinking whether a pressure washer could work to throw the roundup
the necessary 20 feet, but I've only hooked my pressure washer to a
garden hose and never to a 25-gallon bucket of weed killer.

On 1/8/2013 3:24 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:46:24 -0800, TimR wrote:

Roundup has worked fine for me. The plants take about a week to die,
but that gives time to get the poison through the system

Hi Tim,

Yes. The Roundup weed killer works.

I buy this concentrate for about $100
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915887.jpg

The problem with Roundup isn't that it doesn't work.

The problem is getting to the plant, which fortresses itself with 10 to
20 feet of vines, such that I can't get the roundup to the leaves.

The fact the poison oak, out here, is always on a steep hill, makes it
doubly hard to get the roundup to the leaves.

I'm thinking whether a pressure washer could work to throw the roundup
the necessary 20 feet, but I've only hooked my pressure washer to a
garden hose and never to a 25-gallon bucket of weed killer.


Have you tried 2,4D? It works on my poison ivy.

On 1/8/2013 1:24 PM, Danny D. wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:46:24 -0800, TimR wrote:

Roundup has worked fine for me. The plants take about a week to die,
but that gives time to get the poison through the system

Hi Tim,

Yes. The Roundup weed killer works.

I buy this concentrate for about $100
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915887.jpg

The problem with Roundup isn't that it doesn't work.

The problem is getting to the plant, which fortresses itself with 10 to
20 feet of vines, such that I can't get the roundup to the leaves.

cut the vines where you can reach and paint the cut surfaces with roundup.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:05:32 -0800, bob haller wrote:

i had great success on poision ivy by mixing 50% roundup with 50%
poision ivy killer... they wilted by the next morning and just died...
either seperately was not effective

Hi Bob,

Trust me, I tried the weed killer.

Every year I buy this 2.5 gallon concentrated (41%) glyphosate (which is
a huge amount considering you dilute it 2 ounces to 5 gallons of water):
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915886.jpg

Notice those gloves in that picture are the ones I used on Sunday and
they're already starting to show the black urushiol lacquer, which only
reveals itself a day later (or after washing), presumably as it oxidizes.

The problem is that you need a helicopter to get the weed killer on the
leaves. Sure, I can spray the entire front by the curb, but how do I get
the spray 10 or 20 feet deep and down the very steep hillside?

A pressure washer, filled with glyphosate, might do the trick though!
http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915887.jpg

On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:20:04 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:05:32 -0800, bob haller wrote:

i had great success on poision ivy by mixing 50% roundup with 50%
poision ivy killer... they wilted by the next morning and just died...
either seperately was not effective

Hi Bob,

Trust me, I tried the weed killer.

Every year I buy this 2.5 gallon concentrated (41%) glyphosate (which is
a huge amount considering you dilute it 2 ounces to 5 gallons of water):
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915886.jpg

Notice those gloves in that picture are the ones I used on Sunday and
they're already starting to show the black urushiol lacquer, which only
reveals itself a day later (or after washing), presumably as it oxidizes.

The problem is that you need a helicopter to get the weed killer on the
leaves. Sure, I can spray the entire front by the curb, but how do I get
the spray 10 or 20 feet deep and down the very steep hillside?

You might try a sprayer intended for fruit trees; long snorkel.

On 1/8/2013 3:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:20:04 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 08:05:32 -0800, bob haller wrote:

i had great success on poision ivy by mixing 50% roundup with 50%
poision ivy killer... they wilted by the next morning and just died...
either seperately was not effective

Hi Bob,

Trust me, I tried the weed killer.

Every year I buy this 2.5 gallon concentrated (41%) glyphosate (which is
a huge amount considering you dilute it 2 ounces to 5 gallons of water):
http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11915886.jpg

Notice those gloves in that picture are the ones I used on Sunday and
they're already starting to show the black urushiol lacquer, which only
reveals itself a day later (or after washing), presumably as it oxidizes.

The problem is that you need a helicopter to get the weed killer on the
leaves. Sure, I can spray the entire front by the curb, but how do I get
the spray 10 or 20 feet deep and down the very steep hillside?

You might try a sprayer intended for fruit trees; long snorkel.



here in phx, they spray olive trees to prevent flowering. they use what
looks like truck mounted pressure sprayers with a very long hose and
wand so they can reach the top of the trees some 20-40' up.

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:02:00 -0500, krw wrote:

You might try a sprayer intended for fruit trees; long snorkel.

Now that's a new idea!

I'll google to see what the heck a fruit-tree sprayer looks like!

I failed today to get my pressure washer to work because I couldn't
figure out how to get it to suck from the jug instead of from the hose.

http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/...g/11917473.jpg

On Tue, 08 Jan 2013 07:56:54 -0800, DD_BobK wrote:

Brush cutter / mower.. (rotary lawn mower on steroids)
http://www.drpower.com/prdSell.aspx?Name=fab-sp-pro1
http://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipment/equipment.aspx?
itemid=0700067&catid=s446

Those are quite nice!

Cutting path across hill face much faster than a chain saw.

I do agree that a sideswipe along the isocline line of the steep hill is
the way to go because the main roots are six inches thick, and then they
branch out in one and two inch thick trunks.

When I cut a trunk, it feels good because I know I've killed a lot but
the problem is that the plant really fortresses those thick roots.

They're wholly surrounded by the thinner finger-thick and pencil-thick
vines such that you can't get near the main supply line without getting
soaked in urushiol.

How sure are you of the identification?

I ask because a) I've not seen the plant look like that in my area of central Virginia or my old area of northern Wisconsin. There are lots of regional differences though, and b) because if it really was poison oak or ivy, I can't imagine removing that much without a massive reaction.