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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
A while ago I posted a question as to what type of paint to use to
paint over relatively new, once painted, exterior stucco and then went on to ask what was going wrong with trying to paint these walls. The HD Behr's stucco paint was recommended, and HD being convenient and reasonable quality went for it. Then, in trying to paint the stucco, I ran into a series of 'patterns' being left on the walls seemingly caused by painting a section and moving along the wall with a noticeable overlap - very visible because of the form of the pattern. HD paint dept had no idea what was happening. But close examination, pattern looked like a 'thicker', therefore smoother, area at each painting overlap. The first patterns I generated were vertical, caused by starting at the roof and going straight down, move over, repeat. This left a series of vertical patterns VERY noticeable. Then changed to going from right to left as fast as possible, with the whole wall done in three passes, leaving two patterns of horizontal lines, with slightly noticeable vertical ones, as I moved along each section - these patterns are the least obtrusive, but still noticeable. This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. This is a single floor building, I have now used completely three 5 gal tubs and am less than 1/3 done with the house. I estimate something like 60 to 80 sq ft per gal of coverage. In an attempt to prevent patterns: I followed HD's employee suggestion of making certain surfaces were dry [they were], tried multiple coats to no avail = patterns still come through, but now more of them. I added the amount of Floetrol recommended [and then more] to remove 'brush strokes' but that had little effect except to add cost and 'fussing' time. Adding more Floetrol still didn't help. I tried scrubbing the surface mechanically abrading any potentially drying 'powder' left from the previous paint [Dunn-Edwards versaflat base, probably thinned for spray painting beyond belief] that effort didn't help. I tried wetting the surface, dampening it before painting. That didn't help. So that's the update! Paint doesn't go very far and there are still patterns being left! Next, I'm going to try 'wetting' at the overlap with Easy Off Window Cleaner and see if that helps. If not, simply pre-thinning with the product. Something HAS to work! The next battle is interior painting using Dunn-Edwards Versaflat base, that has been leaving brush strokes like ribbed paint! I need to paint a wall a day and can't stand the cleanup [or multiple cost] of using a bunch of rollers either. My impression is is that the paint just dries too fast, need a way to slow that down and increase the surface tension so the paint will have time, and the where-with-all, to flatten. Any suggestions? |
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"Robert Macy" wrote in message ... This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. You should feel like an amateur, you took painting adivce from HD! Any suggestions? Try a real paint store, where real professionals work. Quit trying to cut corners with bottom shelf products. Good grief man, get a brain! |
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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
"Robert Macy" wrote in message
... A while ago I posted a question as to what type of paint to use to paint over relatively new, once painted, exterior stucco and then went on to ask what was going wrong with trying to paint these walls. The HD Behr's stucco paint was recommended, and HD being convenient and reasonable quality went for it. Then, in trying to paint the stucco, I ran into a series of 'patterns' being left on the walls seemingly caused by painting a section and moving along the wall with a noticeable overlap - very visible because of the form of the pattern. HD paint dept had no idea what was happening. But close examination, pattern looked like a 'thicker', therefore smoother, area at each painting overlap. The first patterns I generated were vertical, caused by starting at the roof and going straight down, move over, repeat. This left a series of vertical patterns VERY noticeable. Then changed to going from right to left as fast as possible, with the whole wall done in three passes, leaving two patterns of horizontal lines, with slightly noticeable vertical ones, as I moved along each section - these patterns are the least obtrusive, but still noticeable. This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. This is a single floor building, I have now used completely three 5 gal tubs and am less than 1/3 done with the house. I estimate something like 60 to 80 sq ft per gal of coverage. In an attempt to prevent patterns: I followed HD's employee suggestion of making certain surfaces were dry [they were], tried multiple coats to no avail = patterns still come through, but now more of them. I added the amount of Floetrol recommended [and then more] to remove 'brush strokes' but that had little effect except to add cost and 'fussing' time. Adding more Floetrol still didn't help. I tried scrubbing the surface mechanically abrading any potentially drying 'powder' left from the previous paint [Dunn-Edwards versaflat base, probably thinned for spray painting beyond belief] that effort didn't help. I tried wetting the surface, dampening it before painting. That didn't help. So that's the update! Paint doesn't go very far and there are still patterns being left! Next, I'm going to try 'wetting' at the overlap with Easy Off Window Cleaner and see if that helps. If not, simply pre-thinning with the product. Something HAS to work! The next battle is interior painting using Dunn-Edwards Versaflat base, that has been leaving brush strokes like ribbed paint! I need to paint a wall a day and can't stand the cleanup [or multiple cost] of using a bunch of rollers either. My impression is is that the paint just dries too fast, need a way to slow that down and increase the surface tension so the paint will have time, and the where-with-all, to flatten. Any suggestions? See my 12/17 thread on PaintZoom.... you can try this product, or the HF product. In my newbie experience, for sumpn like stucco (or T1-11 wood, etc), spraying will do a MUCH better job, in 1/10th the time, at half the cost. Likely a MUCH longer lasting finish as well, as each coat is thinner, deeper-penetrating. The guys at rec.woodworking are experienced w/ paint spraying (surface finishing in general), as well. -- EA |
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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
Existential Angst wrote:
"Robert Macy" wrote in message ... A while ago I posted a question as to what type of paint to use to paint over relatively new, once painted, exterior stucco and then went on to ask what was going wrong with trying to paint these walls. The HD Behr's stucco paint was recommended, and HD being convenient and reasonable quality went for it. Then, in trying to paint the stucco, I ran into a series of 'patterns' being left on the walls seemingly caused by painting a section and moving along the wall with a noticeable overlap - very visible because of the form of the pattern. HD paint dept had no idea what was happening. But close examination, pattern looked like a 'thicker', therefore smoother, area at each painting overlap. The first patterns I generated were vertical, caused by starting at the roof and going straight down, move over, repeat. This left a series of vertical patterns VERY noticeable. Then changed to going from right to left as fast as possible, with the whole wall done in three passes, leaving two patterns of horizontal lines, with slightly noticeable vertical ones, as I moved along each section - these patterns are the least obtrusive, but still noticeable. This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. This is a single floor building, I have now used completely three 5 gal tubs and am less than 1/3 done with the house. I estimate something like 60 to 80 sq ft per gal of coverage. In an attempt to prevent patterns: I followed HD's employee suggestion of making certain surfaces were dry [they were], tried multiple coats to no avail = patterns still come through, but now more of them. I added the amount of Floetrol recommended [and then more] to remove 'brush strokes' but that had little effect except to add cost and 'fussing' time. Adding more Floetrol still didn't help. I tried scrubbing the surface mechanically abrading any potentially drying 'powder' left from the previous paint [Dunn-Edwards versaflat base, probably thinned for spray painting beyond belief] that effort didn't help. I tried wetting the surface, dampening it before painting. That didn't help. So that's the update! Paint doesn't go very far and there are still patterns being left! Next, I'm going to try 'wetting' at the overlap with Easy Off Window Cleaner and see if that helps. If not, simply pre-thinning with the product. Something HAS to work! The next battle is interior painting using Dunn-Edwards Versaflat base, that has been leaving brush strokes like ribbed paint! I need to paint a wall a day and can't stand the cleanup [or multiple cost] of using a bunch of rollers either. My impression is is that the paint just dries too fast, need a way to slow that down and increase the surface tension so the paint will have time, and the where-with-all, to flatten. Any suggestions? See my 12/17 thread on PaintZoom.... you can try this product, or the HF product. In my newbie experience, for sumpn like stucco (or T1-11 wood, etc), spraying will do a MUCH better job, in 1/10th the time, at half the cost. Likely a MUCH longer lasting finish as well, as each coat is thinner, deeper-penetrating. You haven't done a lot of painting, have you -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
On Dec 19, 4:59*am, "dadiOH" wrote:
...snip... You haven't done a lot of painting, have you * -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? *Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? *Check it out...http://www.floridaloghouse.net Again, years ago when young, I used to work for a house painter. He taught me all kinds of professional 'tricks' of the trade. Like simply sticking the brush down into the paint for the next day's use without any need to clean it, or for longer delays, freezing a paint brush rather than messing about cleaning it. Taught me to paint with a brush as fast as a brush or spray painter. He could paint a single floor residence in one day, and the next day put on the second coat. Prep? Brush painting requires far less prep work than spray painting too. He painted FAST! Using the techniques he taught me, I can easily do each of our rough stucco walls in around an hour. approx 10 by 15, or so. Share with all he Simply, dip brush [twist in your hand as you lift it out of bucket to prevent paint falling off onto ground] slap onto the wall in an X motion [that works the paint into the surface from all directions], then do over and over until a large enough area is covered, then use straight strokes to smooth the paint and leave uniform brush strokes. You'd be surprised how fast you can 'throw' paint on a wall that way, even go faster than rollers. As long as the paint doesn't dry in any way at the overlaps, when you're done, looks as smooth and even as a spray, but far easier.with less setup. The key is that 'dry' at the overlaps. I've had NO problems with oil base, but these new, improved water base seem to 'set' in 30 seconds! If you don't like something you see on the wall after five minutes, forget it. Touching the painted surfaces seems to turn these paints into gum. I used to use Easy Off Window Cleaner in a yellow spray can, but alas product was discontinued! You literally could go back and touch up water base paint, even six hours after application, invisibly. Somehow that product's contents would 'wet' the surface/paint yet did not hurt the polymers, or such, so the paint's integrity survived. I have worked with brushes, rollers, and own an airless sprayer purchased to paint the outside of later mentioned home. Even finished 80 panes of french doors once using an adjustable air brush - bet many of you have never tried using an air brush for trim painting, eh? Years ago, I gained quite a lot of painting [an paint removal] experience completing the renovation of our 15 room home. As I said, this 'overlap' pattern has me irritated and a bit stymied. |
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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
"dadiOH" wrote in message
... Existential Angst wrote: "Robert Macy" wrote in message ... A while ago I posted a question as to what type of paint to use to paint over relatively new, once painted, exterior stucco and then went on to ask what was going wrong with trying to paint these walls. The HD Behr's stucco paint was recommended, and HD being convenient and reasonable quality went for it. Then, in trying to paint the stucco, I ran into a series of 'patterns' being left on the walls seemingly caused by painting a section and moving along the wall with a noticeable overlap - very visible because of the form of the pattern. HD paint dept had no idea what was happening. But close examination, pattern looked like a 'thicker', therefore smoother, area at each painting overlap. The first patterns I generated were vertical, caused by starting at the roof and going straight down, move over, repeat. This left a series of vertical patterns VERY noticeable. Then changed to going from right to left as fast as possible, with the whole wall done in three passes, leaving two patterns of horizontal lines, with slightly noticeable vertical ones, as I moved along each section - these patterns are the least obtrusive, but still noticeable. This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. This is a single floor building, I have now used completely three 5 gal tubs and am less than 1/3 done with the house. I estimate something like 60 to 80 sq ft per gal of coverage. In an attempt to prevent patterns: I followed HD's employee suggestion of making certain surfaces were dry [they were], tried multiple coats to no avail = patterns still come through, but now more of them. I added the amount of Floetrol recommended [and then more] to remove 'brush strokes' but that had little effect except to add cost and 'fussing' time. Adding more Floetrol still didn't help. I tried scrubbing the surface mechanically abrading any potentially drying 'powder' left from the previous paint [Dunn-Edwards versaflat base, probably thinned for spray painting beyond belief] that effort didn't help. I tried wetting the surface, dampening it before painting. That didn't help. So that's the update! Paint doesn't go very far and there are still patterns being left! Next, I'm going to try 'wetting' at the overlap with Easy Off Window Cleaner and see if that helps. If not, simply pre-thinning with the product. Something HAS to work! The next battle is interior painting using Dunn-Edwards Versaflat base, that has been leaving brush strokes like ribbed paint! I need to paint a wall a day and can't stand the cleanup [or multiple cost] of using a bunch of rollers either. My impression is is that the paint just dries too fast, need a way to slow that down and increase the surface tension so the paint will have time, and the where-with-all, to flatten. Any suggestions? See my 12/17 thread on PaintZoom.... you can try this product, or the HF product. In my newbie experience, for sumpn like stucco (or T1-11 wood, etc), spraying will do a MUCH better job, in 1/10th the time, at half the cost. Likely a MUCH longer lasting finish as well, as each coat is thinner, deeper-penetrating. You haven't done a lot of painting, have you Not that anyone would pay me for... LOL But I DID roller T1-11 and then spray it, and the difference -- on every level -- was extraordinary. Thought stucco might be similar. Spraying wouldn't work here?? -- EA -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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Existential Angst wrote:
"dadiOH" wrote in message ... Existential Angst wrote: In my newbie experience, for sumpn like stucco (or T1-11 wood, etc), spraying will do a MUCH better job, in 1/10th the time, at half the cost. Likely a MUCH longer lasting finish as well, as each coat is thinner, deeper-penetrating. You haven't done a lot of painting, have you Not that anyone would pay me for... LOL But I DID roller T1-11 and then spray it, and the difference -- on every level -- was extraordinary. Thought stucco might be similar. Spraying wouldn't work here?? Sure it would work but a pro would then roll the sprayed surface. Gotta remember that stucco is very irregular has three dimensions and flat on spray won't get the nooks and crannies. That is also true of rolling - but somewhat less so with a long nap roller - which is one reason one rolls updown, sideside and cornercorner. The other reason is to spread the paint evenly. The other thing is that a thin coat will penetrate no more than a thick coat. The sprayer worked well on T1-11 because the recessed areas were shallow enough for the spray to get into them on one side as you approached with the spray, the other side when you left. IOW, when your sprayer was, say, 6" away from a recessed area it was spraying straight ahead but the area being covered was at an angle to center and that angle was small enough for the spray to reach into the recess and do its side; ditto when you passed the recess but then the other side got some spray. That is also true with stucco but stucco is not only irregular side to side but up and down and diagonally as well. dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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"dadiOH" wrote in message
... Existential Angst wrote: "dadiOH" wrote in message ... Existential Angst wrote: In my newbie experience, for sumpn like stucco (or T1-11 wood, etc), spraying will do a MUCH better job, in 1/10th the time, at half the cost. Likely a MUCH longer lasting finish as well, as each coat is thinner, deeper-penetrating. You haven't done a lot of painting, have you Not that anyone would pay me for... LOL But I DID roller T1-11 and then spray it, and the difference -- on every level -- was extraordinary. Thought stucco might be similar. Spraying wouldn't work here?? Sure it would work but a pro would then roll the sprayed surface. Gotta remember that stucco is very irregular has three dimensions and flat on spray won't get the nooks and crannies. That is also true of rolling - but somewhat less so with a long nap roller - which is one reason one rolls updown, sideside and cornercorner. The other reason is to spread the paint evenly. The other thing is that a thin coat will penetrate no more than a thick coat. Adhere better, then? At least that's what "they say" about thin coats. If true, spray painting would be the Adherence Bomb. The sprayer worked well on T1-11 because the recessed areas were shallow enough for the spray to get into them on one side as you approached with the spray, the other side when you left. IOW, when your sprayer was, say, 6" away from a recessed area it was spraying straight ahead but the area being covered was at an angle to center and that angle was small enough for the spray to reach into the recess and do its side; ditto when you passed the recess but then the other side got some spray. That is also true with stucco but stucco is not only irregular side to side but up and down and diagonally as well. Hmmm..... sounds sorta counter-intuitive to me, but ahm no 'spert. Seems to me enough angles with the spray gun would solve that, but I have no experience. I'll keep this in mind, if the opportunity arises to try this. Could it be that blow-back (or overspray) would actually be an aid, to stucco painting with a sprayer? -- EA dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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Painting exterior stucco - UPDATE - not working out well
On Dec 18, 11:18*am, Robert Macy wrote:
A while ago I posted a question as to what type of paint to use to paint over relatively new, once painted, exterior stucco and then went on to ask what was going wrong with trying to paint these walls. The HD Behr's stucco paint was recommended, and HD being convenient and reasonable quality went for it. Then, in trying to paint the stucco, I ran into a series of 'patterns' being left on the walls seemingly caused by painting a section and moving along the wall with a noticeable overlap - very visible because of the form of the pattern. HD paint dept had no idea what was happening. But close examination, pattern looked like a 'thicker', therefore smoother, area at each painting overlap. The first patterns I generated were vertical, caused by starting at the roof and going straight down, move over, repeat. This left a series of vertical patterns VERY noticeable. Then changed to going from right to left as fast as possible, with the whole wall done in three passes, leaving two patterns of horizontal lines, with slightly noticeable vertical ones, as I moved along each section - these patterns are the least obtrusive, but still noticeable. This end result made me Feel like a rank amateur here. This is a single floor building, I have now used completely three 5 gal tubs and am less than 1/3 done with the house. *I estimate something like 60 to 80 sq ft per gal of coverage. In an attempt to prevent patterns: I followed HD's employee suggestion of making certain surfaces were dry [they were], tried multiple coats to no avail = patterns still come through, but now more of them. I added the amount of Floetrol recommended [and then more] to remove 'brush strokes' but that had little effect except to add cost and 'fussing' time. Adding more Floetrol still didn't help. I tried scrubbing the surface mechanically abrading any potentially drying 'powder' left from the previous paint [Dunn-Edwards versaflat base, probably thinned for spray painting beyond belief] that effort didn't help. I tried wetting the surface, dampening it before painting. That didn't help. So that's the update! Paint doesn't go very far and there are still patterns being left! Next, I'm going to try 'wetting' at the overlap with Easy Off Window Cleaner and see if that helps. *If not, simply pre-thinning with the product. Something HAS to work! The next battle is interior painting using Dunn-Edwards Versaflat base, that has been leaving brush strokes like ribbed paint! I need to paint a wall a day and can't stand the cleanup [or multiple cost] of using a bunch of rollers either. My impression is is that the paint just dries too fast, need a way to slow that down and increase the surface tension so the paint will have time, and the where-with-all, to flatten. Any suggestions? HOw about some photos, both of a whole wall showing the stripes, and then a closeup of one of the boundaries? |
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On Dec 18, 5:08*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote: ...snip... HOw about some photos, both of a whole wall showing the stripes, and then a closeup of one of the boundaries? Possibly, pictures I have a monstrous 1MB each, but Irfanview can pare that down to a reasonable 200kB and maintain resolution, but where do I send it? |
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On 12/19/2012 9:22 AM, Robert Macy wrote:
On Dec 18, 5:08 pm, "hr(bob) " wrote: ...snip... HOw about some photos, both of a whole wall showing the stripes, and then a closeup of one of the boundaries? Possibly, pictures I have a monstrous 1MB each, but Irfanview can pare that down to a reasonable 200kB and maintain resolution, but where do I send it? Most of the graphic software with cameras has the option to resize images. |
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Robert Macy wrote:
On Dec 18, 5:08 pm, "hr(bob) " wrote: ...snip... HOw about some photos, both of a whole wall showing the stripes, and then a closeup of one of the boundaries? Possibly, pictures I have a monstrous 1MB each, but Irfanview can pare that down to a reasonable 200kB and maintain resolution, but where do I send it? You send it to a website - there are many specifically for pictures - then post a link to it. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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