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OT -- lack of planning on your part ....
Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks
having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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In article , cayoung61
says... Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". In a place of work, there are set procedures and various people responsible for these things. So for that, yes "lack of planning". But a church typically has volunteers and no steady employees who would know various procedures, etc. A constant stream of new people learning about these things. Also not a heck of a lot of money to get all the locks properly keyed, etc. So in that case it is not easy to communicate to people what all they need to do before hand when they want to use the facilities, etc. And as soon as you teach them, they someone new comes along and you need to start all over! |
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Do I know you? That's perfect description.
Scott Adams could write last night into a Dilbert comic strip, and it would be fitting. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bill" wrote in message ... In a place of work, there are set procedures and various people responsible for these things. So for that, yes "lack of planning". But a church typically has volunteers and no steady employees who would know various procedures, etc. A constant stream of new people learning about these things. Also not a heck of a lot of money to get all the locks properly keyed, etc. So in that case it is not easy to communicate to people what all they need to do before hand when they want to use the facilities, etc. And as soon as you teach them, they someone new comes along and you need to start all over! |
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On 12/06/2012 06:11 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". Some people would really appreciated being needed in such a way; you should consider yourself fortunate. Jon |
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Ideally, yes. However, that day I'd been to the
building twice already, and was pressed for time for my next appointment. Another day of the week might have been different. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Jon Danniken" wrote in message ... So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." Some people would really appreciated being needed in such a way; you should consider yourself fortunate. Jon |
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On 12/6/2012 8:11 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. .... So, if you've managed to leave them so the only key that does work is on your person, what _should_ they do? Sounds like the bad planning is on your end to me... (Church trustee; there's a full set to everything in cabinet in closet off the office...) -- |
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I know of two other people in my congregation who have a key that would open
that closet. You know, maybe I should figure out what closets are on odd keys, and figure out who's got the keys. This was a rare moment. The other two closets on odd keys, the people who need to get in have keys. Time to step back, and look at the bigger picture, again. You're right, that I need to step back and look at the process, etc. Thanks for getting me thinking. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "dpb" wrote in message ... So, if you've managed to leave them so the only key that does work is on your person, what _should_ they do? Sounds like the bad planning is on your end to me... (Church trustee; there's a full set to everything in cabinet in closet off the office...) -- |
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In article , cayoung61
says... I know of two other people in my congregation who have a key that would open that closet... Perhaps the least expensive thing to do would be to take the door lock for that closet to a locksmith and have them make it so the "master" keys also operate that door? And the question is... If someone can be trusted with a "master" key, is there any reason you would not want those people to also be able to access that closet? Are they thieves? :-) (If they are Mormons... Well Mormons are known for their honesty and trustworthiness. So not to worry!) And if your church falls into a pool of money or you have a locksmith in the congregation, then perhaps a review of all door locks and which keys should be allowed to open what would be in order... Maybe you would allow the community (non congregation people) to use certain rooms say for a class or whatever. And would not want to give them access to anything else? But maybe access to the lighting controls might be necessary? Or maybe to a kitchen? Bathrooms if those are locked? Etc. |
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The church has its own people who repin the locks, so that's less of an
issue. That closed used to be under care of a different subset of the people. It may be time to repin that lock, will have to float the idea and see if anyone cares. Thanks for helping think out the situation. Anyway, do you have any comment on the original question I asked? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Bill" wrote in message t... Perhaps the least expensive thing to do would be to take the door lock for that closet to a locksmith and have them make it so the "master" keys also operate that door? And the question is... If someone can be trusted with a "master" key, is there any reason you would not want those people to also be able to access that closet? Are they thieves? :-) (If they are Mormons... Well Mormons are known for their honesty and trustworthiness. So not to worry!) And if your church falls into a pool of money or you have a locksmith in the congregation, then perhaps a review of all door locks and which keys should be allowed to open what would be in order... Maybe you would allow the community (non congregation people) to use certain rooms say for a class or whatever. And would not want to give them access to anything else? But maybe access to the lighting controls might be necessary? Or maybe to a kitchen? Bathrooms if those are locked? Etc. |
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On Dec 7, 2:05*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: The church has its own people who repin the locks, so that's less of an issue. That closed used to be under care of a different subset of the people. It may be time to repin that lock, will have to float the idea and see if anyone cares. Thanks for helping think out the situation. Anyway, do you have any comment on the original question I asked? Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . "Bill" wrote in message t... Perhaps the least expensive thing to do would be to take the door lock for that closet to a locksmith and have them make it so the "master" keys also operate that door? And the question is... If someone can be trusted with a "master" key, is there any reason you would not want those people to also be able to access that closet? Are they thieves? :-) (If they are Mormons... Well Mormons are known for their honesty and trustworthiness. So not to worry!) And if your church falls into a pool of money or you have a locksmith in the congregation, then perhaps a review of all door locks and which keys should be allowed to open what would be in order... Maybe you would allow the community (non congregation people) to use certain rooms say for a class or whatever. And would not want to give them access to anything else? But maybe access to the lighting controls might be necessary? Or maybe to a kitchen? Bathrooms if those are locked? Etc. I'm not sure the original question applies anymore. If you are the only one who has a working key to every door then they are dependent on you. You can't change that dependence but you can change the process to eliminate it. Your plan to float the idea of re-pinning of the closet so that there are multiple keys that work will solve that problem to a large extent. If they are in any way an understanding organization, the simple explanation of "I can not be expected to be available 24-7 to run over to the church to unlock doors, so let's spread the responsibility around a bit" should work. Maybe 4 people with working keys on call for a week at a time would work. Maybe consider a combination locked key cabinet so that a phone call gets users the combo in an emergency and the combo is changed soon afterwards. That would at least allow the situation to be handled from a distance and save a trip. Bottom line is that as long as you are the only one with a full set of working keys - and a phone - they will always be dependent on you. The power to fix that is in your own hands. |
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On Dec 6, 2:37*pm, dpb wrote:
On 12/6/2012 8:11 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote: Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. ... So, if you've managed to leave them so the only key that does work is on your person, what _should_ they do? Sounds like the bad planning is on your end to me... (Church trustee; there's a full set to everything in cabinet in closet off the office...) -- ....but of course the closet is locked and only one person has the key. ;-) |
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Oh, that hurt.
Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 2:37 pm, dpb wrote: Sounds like the bad planning is on your end to me... (Church trustee; there's a full set to everything in cabinet in closet off the office...) -- ....but of course the closet is locked and only one person has the key. ;-) |
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On 12/6/2012 2:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
.... ...but of course the closet is locked and only one person has the key. ;-) Au contraire, the closet _is_ locked, but there's a key to it available from within the office if one only knows where'st to look... And, there are any number of office keys including some in hidey-holes... A newbie may not know where to look precisely w/o a phone call, but the likelihood of somebody else having to do more than answer the phone call is quite low. -- |
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On Dec 6, 9:11*am, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus *www.lds.org . Couldn't he get God to shine a light on his devoted followers? ;-) BTW...I don't think you should call it a "master key" since it obviously isn't. |
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You know, that's best idea yet.
You're correct, it's either a master, within a great grand master system. Or, it's a submaster, in a master key system. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "DerbyDad03" wrote in message ... Couldn't he get God to shine a light on his devoted followers? ;-) BTW...I don't think you should call it a "master key" since it obviously isn't. |
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Stormin Mormon wrote: Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". Let me guess, you cut his non-working master key, right? -- The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. (Winston Churchill) Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org |
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His master works nicely, to my knowledge. I didn't try. Well, works on the
locks it's supposed to operate. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Larry W" wrote in message ... Let me guess, you cut his non-working master key, right? |
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On Dec 6, 9:57*pm, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote: His master works nicely, to my knowledge. I didn't try. Well, works on the locks it's supposed to operate. Teach them how to pick locks. |
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Naah, just get about 200 copies of the great grand master, and hand them out
to everyone in church next Sunday. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Thomas" wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 9:57 pm, "Stormin Mormon" wrote: His master works nicely, to my knowledge. I didn't try. Well, works on the locks it's supposed to operate. Teach them how to pick locks. |
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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ... Last night, I got a call from church. Some folks having a presentation, and need the spot light. One of the fellows find out that his master key doesn't work the closet where the lights are. Called to ask which key works, and is there a key in the building somewhere. No key in the building, and I've got a key that works. So, I drove to the building, and was running a little late for my next appointment. I'm trying to decide when to say "that's bad planning on your part, and I'm not available to come in and rescue you." How to decide? I hate to foster dependance "just get Chris, he'll do anything". Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org The easy solution for the situation at hand would have been "I have to go to XYZ place. meet me there and I will lend you the key" Charlie |
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Brilliant. I'd never thought of that.
Thank you. Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "Charlie" wrote in message ... The easy solution for the situation at hand would have been "I have to go to XYZ place. meet me there and I will lend you the key" Charlie |
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