Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:48:44 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?



I think that played a huge part in his loss.......



Just my opinion!

I saw this recently...Romney's name is code for his philosophy! R-money, as in 'our money' and we're keepin' it!

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Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!



Looking like a nitwit had a lot to do with it.

On 11/07/2012 02:48 PM, wrote:
Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!


Right or wrong, the perception is that the republicans represent the
wealthy and the democrats represent the working poor and unemployed.

Unfortunately for the republicans, we have a lot of working poor and
unemployed voters.

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Unfortunately for the republicans, we have a lot of working poor and
unemployed voters.

The Republicans preach that anybody -- ANYBODY can become rich if they only
try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They preach wealth all
the time, but name me even ONE Amway salesperson you personally know who has
made a million dollars. Or even half a million.

Bill Gates has long said that he became rich through luck of the draw, being
born into a wealthy family, having the benefit of the good infrastructure of
Seattle (good schools, etc), etc. This is why he feels that the wealthy OWE
it to society to give back all they can. He recommends the rich give back
at least 50% of their wealth in charitable contributions to society. He and
his dad wrote a book about it a good 15 years ago...

On 11-08-2012 13:56, David Kaye wrote:
try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They preach wealth all

Buried in the middle of one of their come-on books is the admission that
the average distributor makes $40 per month at it.

If some people are making thousands, how many have to lose money to make
the average be forty dollars?

--
Wes Groleau

€œIsn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read
and then attack what it didn't say?€�

David Kaye wrote:
wrote


Unfortunately for the republicans, we have a lot of working poor and
unemployed voters.

The Republicans preach that anybody -- ANYBODY can become rich if
they only try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They
preach wealth all the time, but name me even ONE Amway salesperson
you personally know who has made a million dollars. Or even half a
million.
Bill Gates has long said that he became rich through luck of the
draw, being born into a wealthy family, having the benefit of the
good infrastructure of Seattle (good schools, etc), etc. This is why
he feels that the wealthy OWE it to society to give back all they
can. He recommends the rich give back at least 50% of their wealth
in charitable contributions to society. He and his dad wrote a book
about it a good 15 years ago...

Heh!

Back near the dawn of time, I saw a PBS interview by F. Lee Bailey. He was
interviewing Texas oilman H.L. Hunt. Hunt was a millionaire many times over
and an irascible curmudgeon. He took his lunch with him to work every day in
a paper bag. The same paper bag.

Anyway, Bailey asked Hunt a variation of the classic "Are you still beating
your wife?". The question was (paraphrasing): "Mr Hunt, when one thinks of
the captains of industry, the Fords, Carnegies, Rockefellers, one is
impressed by their contributions to the less fortunate. They've endowed
libraries, institutions of learning, museums. Why is it that you've never
seen fit to share your good fortune with society at large?"

Hunt looked at Bailey as if Bailey had eaten a bug. He replied:

"I use my wealth to give people something better than a pretty picture to
look at. I use it to give 'em a JOB."

On Nov 7, 11:48*am, wrote:
Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

That he flopped back and forth on issues enought to almost hover above
the fence didn't help.

Harry K

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Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......


I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate...

Then Bush Jr. came along...

After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for
another Republican as long as I live.

That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans).

Also the petty politics the Republicans have been playing in the
Congress. Makes them look REAL bad!

Bill wrote:
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says...

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......


I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate...

Then Bush Jr. came along...

After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for
another Republican as long as I live.

That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans).

Also the petty politics the Republicans have been playing in the
Congress. Makes them look REAL bad!

Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years
of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11,
Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better.

On 11/8/2012 6:42 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Bill wrote:
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says...

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......


I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate...

Then Bush Jr. came along...

After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for
another Republican as long as I live.

That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans).

Also the petty politics the Republicans have been playing in the
Congress. Makes them look REAL bad!

Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years
of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11,
Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better.



I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became
"that black guy's fault."

Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic
conditions were ripe for a fall.

gonjah wrote:

Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had
six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not
been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better.



I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became
"that black guy's fault."

Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic
conditions were ripe for a fall.

Not forgetting. In 2008, the Democrats controlled Congress.

On 11/8/2012 8:45 PM, HeyBub wrote:
gonjah wrote:

Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had
six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not
been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better.



I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became
"that black guy's fault."

Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic
conditions were ripe for a fall.

Not forgetting. In 2008, the Democrats controlled Congress.



So anything good that happened was Bush. Anything bad was congress.

Got cha!

In that case the Republicans really own the bank deregulation and the
crisis that followed.

But I'm with you. Plenty of blame to go around. Congress passed it and
Clinton signed it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-g...b_1449474.html

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:22:42 AM UTC-6, wrote:


Before you blame Bush for all of the economic mess you have to look at

the deregulation that allowed it. That was Clinton's doing.

Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations.

You're getting closer...try Reaganomics!

On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:22:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:42:34 -0800, Bill

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Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?



I think that played a huge part in his loss.......





I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate...



Then Bush Jr. came along...



After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for

another Republican as long as I live.



That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans).





Before you blame Bush for all of the economic mess you have to look at

the deregulation that allowed it. That was Clinton's doing.

Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations.

Bill Clinton only signed the bill that the GOP house and senate sent him. IT was not his bill. He can be blaimed for going along but the GOP wanted those changes for thirty years.

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Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations.

Bill Clinton only signed the bill that the GOP house and senate sent him.
IT was not his bill. He can be blaimed for going along but the GOP wanted
those changes for thirty years.

"Only" signed the bills? Bull****. He went on TV and told us how great
the bills would be.
They were also passed with overwhelming democratic support. The CFMA
that deregulated the derivatives was passed unanimously in the senate

The other part of that is although it was passed by a GOP-controlled
Congress the final vote on passage of the bill to repeal Glass-Stagall
had around 10 nays in the House and passed the Senate by a VOICE vote.
You can't get a whole lot more bipartisan than that. Maybe
bipartisanship isn't always a good thing, huh?
Interesting tidbit, there are about 3 laws that someone or another
has pointed to as "reasons" for the collapse. Every last one of them
was passed with low double digit nays in the House and high single digit
nays in the Senate... if there was even a recorded vote in the Senate.
Also, if you look at the actual votes, you will note that.. although
it pains me deeply to admit this... Barney Franks was the only person in
a leadership position who voted against everyone of these bills every
chance he got. Pelosi, and Reid voted for the bill, even the preliminary
bills passed before the final conference. So Franks is the only with a
legitimate voice in opposition to my mind.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

Kurt Ullman wrote in
m:

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Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations.

Bill Clinton only signed the bill that the GOP house and senate sent
him. IT was not his bill. He can be blaimed for going along but
the GOP wanted those changes for thirty years.

"Only" signed the bills? Bull****. He went on TV and told us how
great the bills would be.
They were also passed with overwhelming democratic support. The CFMA
that deregulated the derivatives was passed unanimously in the senate

The other part of that is although it was passed by a GOP-controlled
Congress the final vote on passage of the bill to repeal Glass-Stagall
had around 10 nays in the House and passed the Senate by a VOICE vote.
You can't get a whole lot more bipartisan than that. Maybe
bipartisanship isn't always a good thing, huh?
Interesting tidbit, there are about 3 laws that someone or another
has pointed to as "reasons" for the collapse. Every last one of them
was passed with low double digit nays in the House and high single
digit nays in the Senate... if there was even a recorded vote in the
Senate.
Also, if you look at the actual votes, you will note that..
although
it pains me deeply to admit this... Barney Franks was the only person
in a leadership position who voted against everyone of these bills
every chance he got. Pelosi, and Reid voted for the bill, even the
preliminary bills passed before the final conference. So Franks is the
only with a legitimate voice in opposition to my mind.

Ummm ... WHo paid big money into the re-election campaigns of thes
Congresscritters?

OK, 'nuf said.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:48:06 -0600, wrote:

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

He lost because he was an idiot against an incumbent idiot.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:48:06 -0600, wrote:

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

He lost because he was an idiot against an incumbent idiot.

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wrote:

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

Don't feel like reading this whole thread, so this may have been posted
already:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155273/bi...dential-candid
ate-1967.aspx

Gallup says 18% of voters would *not* vote for a Mormon. Shocker for me
was that 40% of us don't even know he's a Mormon.

So assuming that 1/2 the voters are Republican and therefore might
otherwise have voted for him, 1/2 of the 18% of the "knowing" 60% might
have declined to vote for him since they know he's a Mormon and don't
like that. That's a bit more than 5% of the voters he may have lost
because of his religion.

(As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than
Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.)

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two
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wrote:

Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?

I think that played a huge part in his loss.......

Just my opinion!

Don't feel like reading this whole thread, so this may have been posted
already:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155273/bi...dential-candid
ate-1967.aspx

Gallup says 18% of voters would *not* vote for a Mormon. Shocker for me
was that 40% of us don't even know he's a Mormon.

I used to respect Gallup, but they have taken a bunch of misleading
polls and tacked even more misleading headlines on them this season.

If that poll was taken before there was a Mormon candidate-- or if
there was Mormon on both sides I might put more stock in it. 20%
sounds like about the same number as yellow dog Democrats.

This one is a little more telling-
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/at...andidates.aspx
43% would pass on an atheist. 40% on a muslim.


So assuming that 1/2 the voters are Republican and therefore might
otherwise have voted for him, 1/2 of the 18% of the "knowing" 60% might
have declined to vote for him since they know he's a Mormon and don't
like that. That's a bit more than 5% of the voters he may have lost
because of his religion.

(As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than
Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.)

I'd add atheists, just to be fair.

Jim

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Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two
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(As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than
Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.)

I'd add atheists, just to be fair.

Jim

You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion.

On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:02:06 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:

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Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:



(As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than
Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.)

I'd add atheists, just to be fair.

Jim

You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion.

Many of the atheists I know are just as fervent in their *dis* belief
as are those who believe. And with the same amount of proof.

Jim

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Smitty Two wrote:

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote:



(As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than
Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.)

I'd add atheists, just to be fair.

Jim

You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion.

I'd disagree. This is one definition of a religion "the body of persons
adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices" which certainly
pertains to atheists who are a body of persons (doesn't say have to be
church and there are organizations such as the Atheist Club of Topeka),
they certainly have a set of beliefs, they have definite practices that
they follow.
And since atheists can no more disprove the existence of a god than
the Christians and others can prove the existence of a god, it certainly
is every bit as much of a faith as the Christians, etc.

Sorta reminds me of Douglas Adam's quote:
He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized
there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there
wasn't an afterlife.
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe

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Kurt Ullman wrote:

I'd disagree. This is one definition of a religion "the body of persons
adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices" which certainly
pertains to atheists who are a body of persons (doesn't say have to be
church and there are organizations such as the Atheist Club of Topeka),
they certainly have a set of beliefs, they have definite practices that
they follow.

Do a little more research. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs,
or ideologies, or philosophies, or practices, or anything else that
makes them a "group." They have only *one* commonality, and that is a
declination to drink the kool-aid, regardless of flavor.

The question: "what do atheists believe?" cannot be answered, precisely
because atheism is not a religion.

-over and out-

Kurt Ullman wrote:
And since atheists can no more disprove the existence of a god
than the Christians and others can prove the existence of a god, it
certainly is every bit as much of a faith as the Christians, etc.


I disagree on Jews and Christians unable to prove the existence of God.

There were 200,000 witnesses to God's manifestation at Sinai, plus women,
children, slaves, and donkeys. There's an unbroken tradition re-telling the
story as written down in the Hebrew Scriptures. As such, the evidence has as
much truth and believability as a front-page story in the New York Times !

No, wait ...

Never mind.