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(OT) Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?
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Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon?
I think that played a huge part in his loss....... Just my opinion! |
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On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:48:44 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... Just my opinion! I saw this recently...Romney's name is code for his philosophy! R-money, as in 'our money' and we're keepin' it! |
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On Nov 7, 11:48*am, wrote:
Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... Just my opinion! That he flopped back and forth on issues enought to almost hover above the fence didn't help. Harry K |
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On Thursday, November 8, 2012 11:22:42 AM UTC-6, wrote:
Before you blame Bush for all of the economic mess you have to look at the deregulation that allowed it. That was Clinton's doing. Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations. You're getting closer...try Reaganomics! |
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Unfortunately for the republicans, we have a lot of working poor and unemployed voters. The Republicans preach that anybody -- ANYBODY can become rich if they only try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They preach wealth all the time, but name me even ONE Amway salesperson you personally know who has made a million dollars. Or even half a million. Bill Gates has long said that he became rich through luck of the draw, being born into a wealthy family, having the benefit of the good infrastructure of Seattle (good schools, etc), etc. This is why he feels that the wealthy OWE it to society to give back all they can. He recommends the rich give back at least 50% of their wealth in charitable contributions to society. He and his dad wrote a book about it a good 15 years ago... |
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I think somebody has misspelled "moron".
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Bill wrote:
In article , says... Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate... Then Bush Jr. came along... After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for another Republican as long as I live. That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans). Also the petty politics the Republicans have been playing in the Congress. Makes them look REAL bad! Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better. |
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On 11/8/2012 4:23 PM, Roy wrote:
Perhaps they also need some people who know about rape, abortion and pregnancy. Might save them from ignorant and stupid rants from their candidates in the next election. One of the most amusing post-election things I read was a tweet from Alec Baldwin: "You know your party is in trouble when people ask did the rape guy win, and you have to ask which one?" Well the rape guys both lost, but it's rather amazing how many votes they did get. Akin got 1,063,698 votes. Mourdock got 1,126,727 votes. Don't these voters have daughters, wives, nieces, sisters, etc.? |
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On 11/8/2012 6:42 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Bill wrote: In article , says... Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate... Then Bush Jr. came along... After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for another Republican as long as I live. That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans). Also the petty politics the Republicans have been playing in the Congress. Makes them look REAL bad! Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better. I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became "that black guy's fault." Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic conditions were ripe for a fall. |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:59:40 -0800, SMS
wrote: On 11/8/2012 4:23 PM, Roy wrote: Perhaps they also need some people who know about rape, abortion and pregnancy. Might save them from ignorant and stupid rants from their candidates in the next election. One of the most amusing post-election things I read was a tweet from Alec Baldwin: "You know your party is in trouble when people ask did the rape guy win, and you have to ask which one?" Well the rape guys both lost, but it's rather amazing how many votes they did get. Akin got 1,063,698 votes. Mourdock got 1,126,727 votes. Don't these voters have daughters, wives, nieces, sisters, etc.? While both of them had rape and abortion in their answers- Akin's comments were the height of ignorance, but Mourdock's were considered, respectful and honest. If I was pro-life, I would have to agree with Mourdock. I'm not-- but I can still respect him for the way he feels. Listen to the whole answer to the question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5n1KzTVXuA 33 seconds- Both were 'playing to their base' -- fortunately for our side-- their base isn't big enough. Jim |
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On Thursday, November 8, 2012 12:22:42 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:42:34 -0800, Bill wrote: In article , says... Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... I used to vote for Republicans or Democrats - The best candidate... Then Bush Jr. came along... After all the economic damage he did, I have vowed to NEVER vote for another Republican as long as I live. That is why I did not vote for him (or any other Republicans). Before you blame Bush for all of the economic mess you have to look at the deregulation that allowed it. That was Clinton's doing. Clinton is the one who dismantled the FDR era banking regulations. Bill Clinton only signed the bill that the GOP house and senate sent him. IT was not his bill. He can be blaimed for going along but the GOP wanted those changes for thirty years. |
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gonjah wrote:
Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better. I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became "that black guy's fault." Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic conditions were ripe for a fall. Not forgetting. In 2008, the Democrats controlled Congress. |
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On 11/8/2012 8:45 PM, HeyBub wrote:
gonjah wrote: Hey ! With Bush as president - and a Republican Congress - we had six years of absolutely wonderful economic conditions. Had it not been for 9-11, Katrina, and two wars, it would have been even better. I guess you forgot about the 2008 collapse that conveniently became "that black guy's fault." Not that the blame lies entirely with Lil Bush, but the economic conditions were ripe for a fall. Not forgetting. In 2008, the Democrats controlled Congress. So anything good that happened was Bush. Anything bad was congress. Got cha! In that case the Republicans really own the bank deregulation and the crisis that followed. But I'm with you. Plenty of blame to go around. Congress passed it and Clinton signed it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-g...b_1449474.html |
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wrote: Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... Just my opinion! Don't feel like reading this whole thread, so this may have been posted already: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155273/bi...dential-candid ate-1967.aspx Gallup says 18% of voters would *not* vote for a Mormon. Shocker for me was that 40% of us don't even know he's a Mormon. So assuming that 1/2 the voters are Republican and therefore might otherwise have voted for him, 1/2 of the 18% of the "knowing" 60% might have declined to vote for him since they know he's a Mormon and don't like that. That's a bit more than 5% of the voters he may have lost because of his religion. (As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.) |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:21:39 -0800, SMS
wrote: Changing the Republican party to appeal to non-whites is going to be very difficult. They're even beginning to lose their only reliable Hispanic group, Cuban-Americans. Huh? Cubans in Miami vote Republican. Puerto Ricans is another story. |
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On 11-08-2012 13:56, David Kaye wrote:
try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They preach wealth all Buried in the middle of one of their come-on books is the admission that the average distributor makes $40 per month at it. If some people are making thousands, how many have to lose money to make the average be forty dollars? -- Wes Groleau Isn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read and then attack what it didn't say? |
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On 11-08-2012 12:54, gonjah wrote:
I don't buy into the Republican good, Democrat bad, stuff. I like to look at the numbers. I believe in voting for the best person for the job. Unfortunately, that person is almost never on the ballot. -- Wes Groleau ยกQuรฉ quiero realmente hacer es comer un perrito caliente! ็งใๅฎ้ใซใใใใจๆใไฝใใใใใ ใใฐใ้ฃในใใใจใงใใ! http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.org/WWW?itemid=463 |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote: While both of them had rape and abortion in their answers- Akin's comments were the height of ignorance, but Mourdock's were considered, respectful and honest. If I was pro-life, I would have to agree with Mourdock. I'm not-- but I can still respect him for the way he feels. Listen to the whole answer to the question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5n1KzTVXuA 33 seconds- Actually, M's statement was almost word-for-word the outlook of the Catholic church on the subject. I wondered why nobody brought that up when he was being portrayed as out the mainstream. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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In article , gonlah
wrote: A lot of that going around. I was hoping the far-right would follow the example of Mitt's concession speech and show some class, but that is obviously not going to happen. And the far left took the wins by GWB with such equanimity. Heck the Baldwin Brothers taught Rush Limbaugh everything he needed to know about threatening to move from the Country and then not doing it. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , wrote: Did Mitt lose because he's a Mormon? I think that played a huge part in his loss....... Just my opinion! Don't feel like reading this whole thread, so this may have been posted already: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155273/bi...dential-candid ate-1967.aspx Gallup says 18% of voters would *not* vote for a Mormon. Shocker for me was that 40% of us don't even know he's a Mormon. I used to respect Gallup, but they have taken a bunch of misleading polls and tacked even more misleading headlines on them this season. If that poll was taken before there was a Mormon candidate-- or if there was Mormon on both sides I might put more stock in it. 20% sounds like about the same number as yellow dog Democrats. This one is a little more telling- http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/at...andidates.aspx 43% would pass on an atheist. 40% on a muslim. So assuming that 1/2 the voters are Republican and therefore might otherwise have voted for him, 1/2 of the 18% of the "knowing" 60% might have declined to vote for him since they know he's a Mormon and don't like that. That's a bit more than 5% of the voters he may have lost because of his religion. (As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.) I'd add atheists, just to be fair. Jim |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:24:51 -0500, Wes Groleau
wrote: On 11-08-2012 12:54, gonjah wrote: I don't buy into the Republican good, Democrat bad, stuff. I like to look at the numbers. I believe in voting for the best person for the job. Unfortunately, that person is almost never on the ballot. My ballots have a place to add a name at the very bottom.g Jim |
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Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article , Jim Elbrecht wrote: While both of them had rape and abortion in their answers- Akin's comments were the height of ignorance, but Mourdock's were considered, respectful and honest. If I was pro-life, I would have to agree with Mourdock. I'm not-- but I can still respect him for the way he feels. Listen to the whole answer to the question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5n1KzTVXuA 33 seconds- Actually, M's statement was almost word-for-word the outlook of the Catholic church on the subject. I wondered why nobody brought that up when he was being portrayed as out the mainstream. Yup-- Even Jon Stewart screwed the pooch on that one, IMO. I guess sometimes he's just a comedian trying to make a living. I didn't see any Fox clips that focused on his long, well spoken intro to the 'god's will' part of his statement. [I don't watch Fox-- but I do look for clips on topics of interest and it was a puzzle to me why no one was giving Mourdock a fair shake.] Jim |
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On 11-09-2012 07:19, Jim Elbrecht wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:24:51 -0500, Wes Groleau wrote: On 11-08-2012 12:54, gonjah wrote: I don't buy into the Republican good, Democrat bad, stuff. I like to look at the numbers. I believe in voting for the best person for the job. Unfortunately, that person is almost never on the ballot. My ballots have a place to add a name at the very bottom.g So do ours. Also a note "Write-ins will NOT be counted unless for a declared write-in candidate." -- Wes Groleau Free speech has its limits http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.org/WWW?itemid=99 |
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David Kaye wrote:
wrote Unfortunately for the republicans, we have a lot of working poor and unemployed voters. The Republicans preach that anybody -- ANYBODY can become rich if they only try hard enough. Ever try to sell Amway products? They preach wealth all the time, but name me even ONE Amway salesperson you personally know who has made a million dollars. Or even half a million. Bill Gates has long said that he became rich through luck of the draw, being born into a wealthy family, having the benefit of the good infrastructure of Seattle (good schools, etc), etc. This is why he feels that the wealthy OWE it to society to give back all they can. He recommends the rich give back at least 50% of their wealth in charitable contributions to society. He and his dad wrote a book about it a good 15 years ago... Heh! Back near the dawn of time, I saw a PBS interview by F. Lee Bailey. He was interviewing Texas oilman H.L. Hunt. Hunt was a millionaire many times over and an irascible curmudgeon. He took his lunch with him to work every day in a paper bag. The same paper bag. Anyway, Bailey asked Hunt a variation of the classic "Are you still beating your wife?". The question was (paraphrasing): "Mr Hunt, when one thinks of the captains of industry, the Fords, Carnegies, Rockefellers, one is impressed by their contributions to the less fortunate. They've endowed libraries, institutions of learning, museums. Why is it that you've never seen fit to share your good fortune with society at large?" Hunt looked at Bailey as if Bailey had eaten a bug. He replied: "I use my wealth to give people something better than a pretty picture to look at. I use it to give 'em a JOB." |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:03:25 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Jim Elbrecht wrote: While both of them had rape and abortion in their answers- Akin's comments were the height of ignorance, but Mourdock's were considered, respectful and honest. If I was pro-life, I would have to agree with Mourdock. I'm not-- but I can still respect him for the way he feels. Listen to the whole answer to the question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5n1KzTVXuA 33 seconds- Actually, M's statement was almost word-for-word the outlook of the Catholic church on the subject. I wondered why nobody brought that up when he was being portrayed as out the mainstream. Yup-- Even Jon Stewart screwed the pooch on that one, IMO. I guess sometimes he's just a comedian trying to make a living. I didn't see any Fox clips that focused on his long, well spoken intro to the 'god's will' part of his statement. [I don't watch Fox-- but I do look for clips on topics of interest and it was a puzzle to me why no one was giving Mourdock a fair shake.] Get your brains working. You guys just gave him a fair shake. He was speaking for the Pope, and would represent the Pope. What's so hard to understand? Women voters understood that right off the bat, and so did any man with sense and daughters. They don't want the Pope voting by proxy in the U.S. Senate. Personally, I don't want any daughter of mine forced by a Papist government to bear the spawn of a rapist. And I don't want anybody I care for exorcised by a Catholic priest either. Same goes for the fundamentalists, who would bring rattlesnake kissing to the floor of the Senate. That's all very distasteful to me. In fact, it's fooking crazy. I do not understand your confusion about this matter. |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 08:03:25 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote: Kurt Ullman wrote: In article , Jim Elbrecht wrote: While both of them had rape and abortion in their answers- Akin's comments were the height of ignorance, but Mourdock's were considered, respectful and honest. If I was pro-life, I would have to agree with Mourdock. I'm not-- but I can still respect him for the way he feels. Listen to the whole answer to the question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5n1KzTVXuA 33 seconds- Actually, M's statement was almost word-for-word the outlook of the Catholic church on the subject. I wondered why nobody brought that up when he was being portrayed as out the mainstream. Yup-- Even Jon Stewart screwed the pooch on that one, IMO. I guess sometimes he's just a comedian trying to make a living. I didn't see any Fox clips that focused on his long, well spoken intro to the 'god's will' part of his statement. [I don't watch Fox-- but I do look for clips on topics of interest and it was a puzzle to me why no one was giving Mourdock a fair shake.] Get your brains working. You guys just gave him a fair shake. Here's a funny-- when I went to confirm that Mourdock wasn't Catholic I found out that Newt Gingrich tried to put Mourdock's comments in context on a show I watch every week, but [the usually fair, IMO] George Stephanopolous shut him down. I must have missed the exchange because when Newt starts talking crazy I FastForward through his rants-- Must have FF'd too far that time. He was speaking for the Pope, and would represent the Pope. What's so hard to understand? Why a fundamentalist Christian would 'represent the pope'.g They don't want the Pope voting by proxy in the U.S. Senate. And yet, almost 1/2 the Senate is Catholic. -snip- That's all very distasteful to me. In fact, it's fooking crazy. I do not understand your confusion about this matter. I think I *do* understand your lack of confusion. Jim |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:40:40 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote: He was speaking for the Pope, and would represent the Pope. What's so hard to understand? Why a fundamentalist Christian would 'represent the pope'.g The Pope, Billy Graham, and the Taliban all agree on this issue. They all agree about compromise too. They don't. Substitute whichever one you want. They don't want the Pope voting by proxy in the U.S. Senate. And yet, almost 1/2 the Senate is Catholic. Name one who said having a rapist's baby is "God's will," and will vote according to "God's will." Just because you go to church and worship doesn't mean you're stupid. I'm still trying to figure out what Mourdoch meant when he concluded a woman must bear the spawn of a rapist, "I just struggled with it myself for a long time but I came to realize....." So when he "came to realize" was he feeling his inner uterus and vagina? His fallopian tubes? His clitoris? The joy of a rapist's genetic material growing into an adorable rapist's baby in his tummy while his body was transforming and he was puking every morning? As I man I don't get that realization. Just can't understand. Maybe I'm not arrogant and all-knowing enough, like Mourdoch. Maybe I don't have enough feminine in me. That's why I let women call those shots. And they did in Mourdoch's' case. He was honest about his "feelings," and those feelings were rejected. He can live with that and the Senate will live without him. He's Taliban rubbish as far as I'm concerned. |
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Jim Elbrecht wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two wrote: (As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.) I'd add atheists, just to be fair. Jim You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion. |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:02:06 -0800, Smitty Two
wrote: In article , Jim Elbrecht wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two wrote: (As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.) I'd add atheists, just to be fair. Jim You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion. Many of the atheists I know are just as fervent in their *dis* belief as are those who believe. And with the same amount of proof. Jim |
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In article
, Smitty Two wrote: In article , Jim Elbrecht wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:43:25 -0800, Smitty Two wrote: (As far as I'm concerned, Mormons aren't any more stark raving mad than Catholics, Lutherans or Muslims.) I'd add atheists, just to be fair. Jim You mean, just to be irrational. Atheism is not a religion. I'd disagree. This is one definition of a religion "the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices" which certainly pertains to atheists who are a body of persons (doesn't say have to be church and there are organizations such as the Atheist Club of Topeka), they certainly have a set of beliefs, they have definite practices that they follow. And since atheists can no more disprove the existence of a god than the Christians and others can prove the existence of a god, it certainly is every bit as much of a faith as the Christians, etc. Sorta reminds me of Douglas Adam's quote: He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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Kurt Ullman wrote: I'd disagree. This is one definition of a religion "the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices" which certainly pertains to atheists who are a body of persons (doesn't say have to be church and there are organizations such as the Atheist Club of Topeka), they certainly have a set of beliefs, they have definite practices that they follow. Do a little more research. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs, or ideologies, or philosophies, or practices, or anything else that makes them a "group." They have only *one* commonality, and that is a declination to drink the kool-aid, regardless of flavor. The question: "what do atheists believe?" cannot be answered, precisely because atheism is not a religion. -over and out- |
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In article
, Smitty Two wrote: In article , Kurt Ullman wrote: I'd disagree. This is one definition of a religion "the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices" which certainly pertains to atheists who are a body of persons (doesn't say have to be church and there are organizations such as the Atheist Club of Topeka), they certainly have a set of beliefs, they have definite practices that they follow. Do a little more research. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs, or ideologies, or philosophies, or practices, or anything else that makes them a "group." They have only *one* commonality, and that is a declination to drink the kool-aid, regardless of flavor. Nice of you to make my point. My set theory from HS indicates that there can be one thing in a set. The other thing that they all believe in is that their religion isn't one. The question: "what do atheists believe?" cannot be answered, precisely because atheism is not a religion. By every definition I have found, including many by atheist groups themselves note they believe there is no god, or other supreme being. It has always been fascinating to me that atheists get so upset when you suggest their outlook is every bit as much faith as any god-acknowledging person. They turn such a lovely shade of red. -- America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the *******s."-- Claire Wolfe |
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