"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...#ixzz1xtGutp5H

On Jun 15, 8:07*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...ce-law-in-new-...

Land of the free! Heh Heh.

It's just another way for the gov. to tax y'all.

You live in a fascist state. It will be poor old folk that will
suffer, too infirm to cut the grass.

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance
issues as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...-law-in-new-yo
rk-village-may-expand-mayor-says/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xtGutp5H

Don't have to look at Faux news. Standard practice is that an overgrown
lawn is not only unsightly, it is a hazard because of vermin hiding in it.
The ord(i)nance was judiciously applied in Floral Park, Nassau, when I
lived there.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

In article ,
Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance
issues as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...-law-in-new-yo
rk-village-may-expand-mayor-says/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xtGutp5H

Don't have to look at Faux news. Standard practice is that an overgrown
lawn is not only unsightly, it is a hazard because of vermin hiding in it.
The ord(i)nance was judiciously applied in Floral Park, Nassau, when I
lived there.

Same here in the most Republican county in Indiana, at least in the
context of weeds. Although they don't generally fine and there is no
jail time. They just cut the grass, send you a bill, and slap a lien
until you pay. Nothing at all graffiti for the home owner, though, and
I am not sure what happens with bad windows, paint, etc.

Kurt Ullman wrote in
m:

In article ,
Han wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in
m:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such
maintenance issues as overgrown lawns, broken windows and
graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...nce-law-in-new
-yo rk-village-may-expand-mayor-says/?test=latestnews#ixzz1xtGutp5H

Don't have to look at Faux news. Standard practice is that an
overgrown lawn is not only unsightly, it is a hazard because of
vermin hiding in it. The ord(i)nance was judiciously applied in
Floral Park, Nassau, when I lived there.

Same here in the most Republican county in Indiana, at least in the
context of weeds. Although they don't generally fine and there is no
jail time. They just cut the grass, send you a bill, and slap a lien
until you pay. Nothing at all graffiti for the home owner, though,
and I am not sure what happens with bad windows, paint, etc.

Not sure whether this needs a party affiliation. The unfortunate thing
is that on the one hand there are people who let their property go to
"pot" - a better appellation escapes me at the moment -, and on the other
hand there are always people who want to overregulate (look! a liberal
progressive Democrat is saying that!). I live in an a neighborhood where
I function as a trustee of an association that isn't officially a HOA. I
am part of the architecture committee at the moment ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

In article ,
Han wrote:

Not sure whether this needs a party affiliation. The unfortunate thing
is that on the one hand there are people who let their property go to
"pot" - a better appellation escapes me at the moment -, and on the other
hand there are always people who want to overregulate (look! a liberal
progressive Democrat is saying that!). I live in an a neighborhood where
I function as a trustee of an association that isn't officially a HOA. I
am part of the architecture committee at the moment ...
The main problem with some HOAs, as it is with some cities, some
counties, some states and Congress is they work best when you can keep
out the power hungry assholes who know what is best for everyone.
Interestingly, they do seem to be most often concentrated at HOA or
Congress. Go figger.

"harry" wrote in message
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On Jun 15, 8:07 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance
issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...ce-law-in-new-...

Land of the free! Heh Heh.

It's just another way for the gov. to tax y'all.

You live in a fascist state. It will be poor old folk that will
suffer, too infirm to cut the grass.

Why do you say it's the government's fault? The fine citizens of the
HOA/home and business owners, etc. passed such laws because they feel they
want "community standards" enforced. In my neighborhood (houses built in
the 1950s) the deed says that only the only acceptable color for houses is
white and drying laundry on clothes lines is illegal. The present home
owners can only shake their heads and say, "What were they thinking?" In 20
years, we'll be saying it again about today's laws.

Yes, land of the free -- we're free to do dumb stuff and we do it.

Tomsic

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:32 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...#ixzz1xtGutp5H



I used to have an uncle that lived in Masspequa Park on Merrick Road
whose back yard was on a canal. He had a neighbor who had a garage to
park the boat in the water. I never saw that before. It was a
nice community as I recall and then I don't recall seeing any
properties not kept up but times are different now so I guess people
are not keeping up with maintenance.

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:32 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...#ixzz1xtGutp5H



I live in Texas and in an HOA community. I've had some run ins with
my HOA because of the ridiculous things I was written up for like a
small paper sign in my window next to my front door saying NO
SOLICITING. Never took it down and never heard from them about it
again. Also was written up because my underground sprinkler was
watering about 2 feet into the road. I think part of that was due to
adjustment and part due to the wind. I did adjust it but thought even
without the adjustment, it was ridiculous. They wrote me up for more
ridiculous stuff but you get the point. And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed. As a side note, I told him even if they approve it
with those measurements, to move the trampoline every 2 weeks so it
doesn't kill the grass per what my lawn guy told me. See how
ridiculous some HOAs are?

On Jun 16, 11:34*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:32 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...ce-law-in-new-...

I live in Texas and in an HOA community. *I've had some run ins with
my HOA because of the ridiculous things I was written up for like a
small paper sign in my window next to my front door saying NO
SOLICITING. *Never took it down and never heard from them about it
again. *Also was written up because my underground sprinkler was
watering about 2 feet into the road. *I think part of that was due to
adjustment and part due to the wind. *I did adjust it but thought even
without the adjustment, it was ridiculous. * They wrote me up for more
ridiculous stuff but you get the point. *And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed. *As a side note, I told him even if they approve it
with those measurements, to move the trampoline every 2 weeks so it
doesn't kill the grass per what my lawn guy told me. * See how
ridiculous some HOAs are?

why did you buy in a HOA?

On 6/16/2012 11:34 AM, Doug wrote:

And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed.

HOA trouble is only the beginning.

Neighbor had a trampoline and was told by his insurance to get rid of it
or look for a new insurance company.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:34:09 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

I live in Texas and in an HOA community. I've had some run ins with
my HOA because of the ridiculous things I was written up for like a
small paper sign in my window next to my front door saying NO
SOLICITING. Never took it down and never heard from them about it
again. Also was written up because my underground sprinkler was
watering about 2 feet into the road. I think part of that was due to
adjustment and part due to the wind. I did adjust it but thought even
without the adjustment, it was ridiculous. They wrote me up for more
ridiculous stuff but you get the point. And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed. As a side note, I told him even if they approve it
with those measurements, to move the trampoline every 2 weeks so it
doesn't kill the grass per what my lawn guy told me. See how
ridiculous some HOAs are?

I live in (another) HOA. The president lives across the street. It
took me a short time to break him in real good... to get his mind
right (middle of the street meeting). He don't mess around anymore
with silly issues. Once early on he (HOA) claimed "it was a computer
that sent a letter". Of course having explained to him that computers
only do what they are programmed to do AND to not send me any more
bull**** connected to the previous owner. Later he half-heartedly
mentioned my fascia trim paint was a specific color. Naturally, I
immediately advised him there were 99 shades of white paint.

He does not mess with me anymore, or my neighbor -- verbal tune-ups
worked.

He can bark up another tree as I don't give a damn about his
conception of what is right or wrong.

We get along just fine after modifying his behavior.

He would regret the day I turn my bride on him for correction :-\

I'm here because it fits into my program.

HOA's are abusive - if you let them be.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 11:34:02 -0400, wrote:


When my HOA wanted to move from a voluntary participation non-profit
to a deed restricted HOA, one of the points I made was that county law
incorporated virtually every rule they were allowed to have (based on
the original 1955 deed restrictions that have long since expired)

The motion to reinstate the deed restrictions went down 4 to 1.

Nice.

In Nevada (many) an HOA is formally established by the builder, before
the homes are built and sold. Some folks buy the homes anyway.

In Las Vegas there have been federal agents investigating abuse.

A lawyer, a cop and another involved in corruption committed suicide.

27 or so state / federal indictments where people pleaded guilty,
pending sentence. Others are expected to do the same.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-begins-accepting-guilty-pleas-in-las-vegas-hoa-fraud-corruption-case-155958625.html

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 13:11:13 -0700 (PDT), bob haller
wrote:

On Jun 16, 11:34*am, "Doug" wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:32 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...ce-law-in-new-...

I live in Texas and in an HOA community. *I've had some run ins with
my HOA because of the ridiculous things I was written up for like a
small paper sign in my window next to my front door saying NO
SOLICITING. *Never took it down and never heard from them about it
again. *Also was written up because my underground sprinkler was
watering about 2 feet into the road. *I think part of that was due to
adjustment and part due to the wind. *I did adjust it but thought even
without the adjustment, it was ridiculous. * They wrote me up for more
ridiculous stuff but you get the point. *And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed. *As a side note, I told him even if they approve it
with those measurements, to move the trampoline every 2 weeks so it
doesn't kill the grass per what my lawn guy told me. * See how
ridiculous some HOAs are?

why did you buy in a HOA?


Good schools first off and then because it is a master planned
community.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:54:29 -0400, Lamont lamont@comcast wrote:

On 6/16/2012 11:34 AM, Doug wrote:

And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed.

HOA trouble is only the beginning.

Neighbor had a trampoline and was told by his insurance to get rid of it
or look for a new insurance company.


Yes, insurance is tough to get. I solved it tho.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:04:24 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:34:09 -0500, "Doug"
wrote:

I live in Texas and in an HOA community. I've had some run ins with
my HOA because of the ridiculous things I was written up for like a
small paper sign in my window next to my front door saying NO
SOLICITING. Never took it down and never heard from them about it
again. Also was written up because my underground sprinkler was
watering about 2 feet into the road. I think part of that was due to
adjustment and part due to the wind. I did adjust it but thought even
without the adjustment, it was ridiculous. They wrote me up for more
ridiculous stuff but you get the point. And I have a tenant that
lives in the same community and wants to put a trampoline in the
backyard and I don't think it can be seen from the front yard and
still he is supposed to get the HOA approval with measurements where
it will be placed. As a side note, I told him even if they approve it
with those measurements, to move the trampoline every 2 weeks so it
doesn't kill the grass per what my lawn guy told me. See how
ridiculous some HOAs are?

I live in (another) HOA. The president lives across the street. It
took me a short time to break him in real good... to get his mind
right (middle of the street meeting). He don't mess around anymore
with silly issues. Once early on he (HOA) claimed "it was a computer
that sent a letter". Of course having explained to him that computers
only do what they are programmed to do AND to not send me any more
bull**** connected to the previous owner. Later he half-heartedly
mentioned my fascia trim paint was a specific color. Naturally, I
immediately advised him there were 99 shades of white paint.

He does not mess with me anymore, or my neighbor -- verbal tune-ups
worked.

He can bark up another tree as I don't give a damn about his
conception of what is right or wrong.

We get along just fine after modifying his behavior.

He would regret the day I turn my bride on him for correction :-\

I'm here because it fits into my program.

HOA's are abusive - if you let them be.


Interesting story.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 10:24:34 -0500, "Doug" wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:07:32 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face the
five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such maintenance issues
as overgrown lawns, broken windows and graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...#ixzz1xtGutp5H



I used to have an uncle that lived in Masspequa Park on Merrick Road
whose back yard was on a canal. He had a neighbor who had a garage to
park the boat in the water. I never saw that before.

I saw a bunch of those in Norther Wisconsin and Michigan's UP. They'e called
"boat houses".

It was a
nice community as I recall and then I don't recall seeing any
properties not kept up but times are different now so I guess people
are not keeping up with maintenance.

Times change. People change.

On 6/15/2012 2:07 PM, HeyBub wrote:
"Home and business owners in Massapequa Park, Long Island, face
the five-figure fines and even up to 15 days in jail for such
maintenance issues as overgrown lawns, broken windows and
graffiti."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/14...#ixzz1xtGutp5H

You neglected to note that this is specifically targeting the banks
holding all the abandoned properties that they're not keeping up. It
is creating a financial burden on local governments not only to mow
the lawns, but to board up the broken windows and roust the squatters
and partiers taking residence in the buildings. The cities are simply
requiring banks to perform proper maintenance just like any other
homeowner.

The city of St. Paul passed a law permitting the city to tear down
neglected bank-owned properties after a certain number of notices to
the bank get no response. If they won't sell the property or maintain
it, and it becomes a public nuisance or actual hazard, the city will
knock it down and charge the expense to the bank. It's working quite
nicely...after they tore down a bunch of houses, the banks began
taking upkeep seriously.

You neglected to note that this is specifically targeting the banks
holding all the abandoned properties that they're not keeping up. It is
creating a financial burden on local governments not only to mow the
lawns, but to board up the broken windows and roust the squatters and
partiers taking residence in the buildings. The cities are simply
requiring banks to perform proper maintenance just like any other
homeowner.

Will, it will be "fun to watch" the greedy governments pressure the
banks to sell these properties to folks who will make them into instant
slums with 3 or 4 families in a 1 family home. (Yeah, it happens.)


The city of St. Paul passed a law permitting the city to tear down
neglected bank-owned properties after a certain number of notices to the
bank get no response. If they won't sell the property or maintain it,
and it becomes a public nuisance or actual hazard, the city will knock
it down and charge the expense to the bank. It's working quite
nicely...after they tore down a bunch of houses, the banks began taking
upkeep seriously.

Generally speaking, the government can only put liens on the property.
If the bank literally decides to walk away, the government will find
neighborhoods ruined by city owned vacant lots all over the place.

If they try to get around that, the banks will "buy" each property with
another dummy corporation. (They routinely "bid" the value of the loan
they have.)

Eventually, the situation will turn around. Even houses that have been
abandoned for YEARS can be restored.

Slight OT: I was a kid in Pittsburgh but we moved to DC while I was in
high school. In our old neighborhood, there was a LARGE house than had
been abandoned for several years. I remember my brother routinely
entering the place and removing "stuff."

Anyway, I went back to Pittsburgh for college. In my senior year, I
ended up living in an apartment on the top floor of that house. It
wasn't much of an apartment but it was cheap. It was definitely less
expensive to take the shell than to start over again from a vacant lot.

N.B.: there is more to "knocking" down a house than just running a
bulldozer through it. You have to properly DE-commission the
utilities. Water, sewer, and power all have to be "handled." If you
completely destroy these connections to the property line it can cost an
extra $10k just to bring them back in.