We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:23:17 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.


My cell phone changes automatically as does my computers. You did
remind me to change:

- water softener

- pool pump

- sprinkler controller

- coffee maker

- older analog television

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On

- water softener

- pool pump

- sprinkler controller

- coffee maker

- older analog television
Why bother. Just means that the things turn on an hour differently. I
suppose it might make a difference in the coffee maker since you are
getting up on DST, but I can't see it making any difference if any of
the other things comes on an hour "early".

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:17:21 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On

- water softener

- pool pump

- sprinkler controller

- coffee maker

- older analog television
Why bother. Just means that the things turn on an hour differently. I
suppose it might make a difference in the coffee maker since you are
getting up on DST, but I can't see it making any difference if any of
the other things comes on an hour "early".

True. I don't bother. I stopped wearing a watch ten years ago. I get
there when I get there :-\

On 3/11/2012 2:23 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Computer? Cell phone? What are you using, 1980s technology?

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:30:06 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:17:21 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
Oren wrote:

On

- water softener

- pool pump

- sprinkler controller

- coffee maker

- older analog television
Why bother. Just means that the things turn on an hour differently. I
suppose it might make a difference in the coffee maker since you are
getting up on DST, but I can't see it making any difference if any of
the other things comes on an hour "early".

True. I don't bother. I stopped wearing a watch ten years ago. I get
there when I get there :-\

My watch lives in my wallet, without a strap, after I got tired of
replacing straps every few months due to wear... the mechanism for
setting the hands is a little unreliable, so I just leave it alone and
remember to adjust time mentally by an hour as needed. I've probably been
doing that for 15 years now.

Of all the things in the house - other than the watch - I think I only
really use four to ever tell the time, and two of those are 'net-
connected and adjust automatically anyway. Everything else just runs free
according to whenever the power last went out, and I know to ignore them.

cheers

Jules

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:23:17 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.


You think that's tough, try resetting the clocks in a herd of cows who
get milked at 5am daily, no matter what! You cant just move their hands
an hour ahead, (because they dont have hands)

Stormin Mormon wrote:
We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church
social, I walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed
clocks, and clock batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that
havn't been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck
radio, and the list goes on.


I'm working on an invention to make this resetting of clocks unnecessary.
Essentially my invention is a clock with two hour hands, one hour apart.

The red one, one hour ahead of the blue one, is the Daylight Savings Time
hand, the other is normal time. Once set, you only have to remember whether
it's hot outside or cold.

Investment in the project is being solicited.

On 3/11/12 1:23 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Could you adjust that big yellow thing in the sky? It sank below the
horizon an hour late this afternoon.

On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:46:44 -0600, wrote:


You think that's tough, try resetting the clocks in a herd of cows who
get milked at 5am daily, no matter what! You cant just move their hands
an hour ahead, (because they dont have hands)


I'm surprised you even know this, "jw"! You change posting nyms more
than the time changes. When will you stop?!

Gerbil power. It's so, so 1950s.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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..

"Peter" wrote in message
...

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org

Computer? Cell phone? What are you using, 1980s technology?

I never thought of that. Udderly miserable situation.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

wrote in message
...

You think that's tough, try resetting the clocks in a herd of cows who
get milked at 5am daily, no matter what! You cant just move their hands
an hour ahead, (because they dont have hands)

Put me down for five bucks. I'll buy a couple shares
of your stock with my five bucks.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

I'm working on an invention to make this resetting of clocks unnecessary.
Essentially my invention is a clock with two hour hands, one hour apart.

The red one, one hour ahead of the blue one, is the Daylight Savings Time
hand, the other is normal time. Once set, you only have to remember whether
it's hot outside or cold.

Investment in the project is being solicited.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
We do daylight saving time in NYS. Last night, during the church social, I
walked around all the offices, and class rooms. Changed clocks, and clock
batteries.

Every year, three or four days later, I'm finding clocks at home that havn't
been changed.

Digital camera, thermostat, computer, cell phone, van radio, truck radio,
and the list goes on.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Hi,
Think about collective time spent fiddling with time pieces for the
country. Lots of wasted time for nothing. My cat did not wake me up this
morning at 6:30. He does not know DST, LOL!

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...

Think about collective time spent fiddling with time pieces for the
country. Lots of wasted time for nothing. My cat did not wake me up this
morning at 6:30. He does not know DST, LOL!

The DST mandate - especially the recent damn change in onset dates that
invalidated so many devices that had automagic DST functions built in -
seems to be even sillier than the CFL rules in terms of what they really
save. I've read that DST causes problems synching airline flight schedules
with countries that don't believe in it, leaving the US at a competive
disadvantage. I just don't see the point. At one time it might have saved
money, but in this 24/7 "always-on" world I think the returns are greatly
diminished from what the once were. That is, if there ever were any savings
at all.

http://www.physorg.com/news187946326.html says:

The US state of Indiana has 92 counties, but until 2006 only 15 of them
adjusted their clocks for daylight saving time, with the remainder keeping
standard time all year, at least partly to appease farmers who did not want
the change. Then in 2006 the Indiana Legislature decided the entire state
should adopt daylight saving time, beginning that spring.
This unique situation enabled professor of economics Matthew Kotchen and his
PhD student Laura E. Grant, both from the University of California at Santa
Barbara, to study how the adoption of daylight saving affected energy use.
They studied over seven million electricity meter readings in southern
Indiana every month for three years, and compared the energy consumption
before and after the change. The 15 counties that had adopted daylight
saving time much earlier were the control group, which allowed them to
adjust for the effects of weather extremes over the period.

The result of the study showed that electricity use went up in the counties
adopting daylight saving time in 2006, costing $8.6 million more in
household electricity bills. The conclusion reached by Kotchen and Grant was
that while the lighting costs were reduced in the afternoons by daylight
saving, the greater heating costs in the mornings, and more use of
air-conditioners on hot afternoons more than offset these savings. Kotchen
said the results were more "clear and unambiguous" than results in any other
paper he had presented.

Something I've always expected. It costs MORE than it saves. Who would
have thunk it? Congress doesn't usually make those kinds of serious errors.
Arf, arf like HELL it doesn't!

--
Bobby G.

On 3/13/12 4:04 AM, Robert Green wrote:

The result of the study showed that electricity use went up in the counties
adopting daylight saving time in 2006, costing $8.6 million more in
household electricity bills. The conclusion reached by Kotchen and Grant was
that while the lighting costs were reduced in the afternoons by daylight
saving, the greater heating costs in the mornings, and more use of
air-conditioners on hot afternoons more than offset these savings. Kotchen
said the results were more "clear and unambiguous" than results in any other
paper he had presented.

Something I've always expected. It costs MORE than it saves. Who would
have thunk it? Congress doesn't usually make those kinds of serious errors.
Arf, arf like HELL it doesn't!

--
Bobby G.


Weren't there supposed to be some health benefits from DST?
Supposedly, indoor workers would have more daylight each day to exercise
and such outside after work.
It appears to me that people are getting fatter and lazier.
Of course, our lying weasels won't repeal DST. They're doing it
for our own good, they say.

Robert Green wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
...

Think about collective time spent fiddling with time pieces for the
country. Lots of wasted time for nothing. My cat did not wake me up
this morning at 6:30. He does not know DST, LOL!

The DST mandate - especially the recent damn change in onset dates
that invalidated so many devices that had automagic DST functions
built in - seems to be even sillier than the CFL rules in terms of
what they really save. I've read that DST causes problems synching
airline flight schedules with countries that don't believe in it,
leaving the US at a competive disadvantage. I just don't see the
point. At one time it might have saved money, but in this 24/7
"always-on" world I think the returns are greatly diminished from
what the once were. That is, if there ever were any savings at all.


Not only. Think of the chickens!

Mr Rooster may very well sleep through dawn and then where would we be?

Late for work. What a cock not up!

(Cock is slang term for rooster.)

Christopher A. Young
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..

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

Not only. Think of the chickens!

Mr Rooster may very well sleep through dawn and then where would we be?

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:



The result of the study showed that electricity use went up in the counties
adopting daylight saving time in 2006, costing $8.6 million more in
household electricity bills. The conclusion reached by Kotchen and Grant was
that while the lighting costs were reduced in the afternoons by daylight
saving, the greater heating costs in the mornings, and more use of
air-conditioners on hot afternoons more than offset these savings. Kotchen
said the results were more "clear and unambiguous" than results in any other
paper he had presented.


The even more interesting part was the reaction of the Greens and
certain other groups to this bit of blasphemy. Kotchen and Grant had all
sorts of aspersions cast upon their work, their integrity, and their
lineage. Hell hath no furry as a bureaucrat scorned.

--
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
acquired carpal tunnel syndrome.-Howard Berkowitz

"Kurt Ullman" wrote in message
m...
In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:



The result of the study showed that electricity use went up in the
counties
adopting daylight saving time in 2006, costing $8.6 million more in
household electricity bills. The conclusion reached by Kotchen and Grant
was
that while the lighting costs were reduced in the afternoons by daylight
saving, the greater heating costs in the mornings, and more use of
air-conditioners on hot afternoons more than offset these savings.
Kotchen
said the results were more "clear and unambiguous" than results in any
other
paper he had presented.


The even more interesting part was the reaction of the Greens

Hey, keep my family out of this! Oh, you mean the GREENIES. (-:

and
certain other groups to this bit of blasphemy. Kotchen and Grant had all
sorts of aspersions cast upon their work, their integrity, and their
lineage. Hell hath no furry as a bureaucrat scorned.

Hell hath no "furry" anywhere. To damn warm! /

Their work, FWIW, seems to be pretty irrefutable. I know a lot of people
say they like it because it means not having to have their kids leave for
school in the dark (like I did, DST or not - it was 2 hours away!). There's
a solution to that which doesn't involve my hunting down every clock-enabled
device in the house - just change the time kids are due at school in the
winter, not everyone's clocks. Worse, still, now it's not a question of
just spinning an adjustment dial. It's often a matter of figuring out what
magic button sequence resets the time. Things like my Sony car MP3 player
are especially annoying, there's no menu button, just a press and hold two
buttons at a time.

Below is just a sample of the various clock setting instructions that have
been accumulating in my CLOCKS (aka DST Pain In The Ass) database. There
are already several new devices that need to be entered. )-: Who needs to
waste time resetting cameras, car radios, glucometers, cordless phones,
wris****ches, almost every clock in the house, DVRs - I can't even set the
time on my Panny DVR - the analog time signal long ago stop broadcasting and
Panasonic, in their infinite wisdom, provided no way to reset it manual
without resetting (and erasing all stored data) the entire system, the alarm
system, the CCTV recorders, the kitchen timers, all the pocket voice
recorders, the WAV recorder, the alarm clocks, etc. Much of this stuff is
old enough to have DST automagic adjustments, but now half of them synch to
the old DST dates. At least with a database I have fewer forgotten about
clocks in the overall scheme of things but it's still a colossal waste of
time and effort that seems to be nothing but an impressive exercise in
self-deception.

Instructions

Press button left button [Mode Set] 3 times until display flashes. Press and
hold down mode to advance - [Select] moves to new field
Press [Bot] until MO alone displays, adjust with top, press [Bot] to advance
through day, hour (12AP format) and minutes. Operating instructions: 1 [Top]
press shows date, 2 shows seconds
With meter off and no test strip press and hold [M] - then press twice to
advance to flashing hour - use [C} to scroll through hours, press [M] again
to move to minutes - Press and hold [M] until display turns off
Either reset batteries or Press [Folder/Menu Key] and hold down for about 1
sec. until an earpiece andr ON or OFF is flashing on the display. 4 more
short presses of [F/M] bring you to 2004, 7 presses to the flashing time
display. Use the [] and [] keys to adjust minutes and hour together -
display goes fast after holding down the FF or REW keys.


Requires tweezers to reset time.
DISPLAY TIME:
Press [Start] to show month, date and weekday
Press [Reset] to show alarm time
Press [Light] to activate light
SET TIME:
Press [Mode] 3 times, (Display shows Tuesday and Seconds digits flashing)
Pressing [Start] resets seconds to 00
Press [Reset] (Display shows flashing Minutes digits)
Press [Start] HARD to advance (no reverse paging), hold down to accelerate
Press [Reset] to adjust balance of settings
Press [Mode] to exist time setting mode
SET ALARM:
Press [Mode] 2 times, (Display shows Monday and Hours digits flashing)/
Press [Start] HARD to advance (no reverse paging), hold down to acce//lerate
Press [Reset] to adjust balance of settings
Press [Mode] to exist time setting mode
Turn alarm On/Off by pressing and holding [Start] and then depressing
[Reset] Very hard
STOP alarm by pressing [Reset]
SNOOZE alarm by pressing [Start]
Press [Start] and [Reset] simultaneously and VERY hard to test alarm chime
USE CHRONOGRAPH:
Press [Mode] once to enter chronograph mode, SU, FR & SA marks will flash
Press [Start] to being counting
Press [Start] again to stop counting, [Reset] to begin again at 000
To count lap times press [Start] to begin counting and [Reset] for each
finisher
HOURLY CHIME:
Press [Reset] and then press and hold [Mode] - All Day marks appear when
chime is selected

Menu, Setup, Clock (auto set in kitchen works on channel 26
Menu, Setup, Clock

Hold down SET until flashing, use Set to advance from YR/MO/DAY/12/24/HR and
+ and - to adjust

Must adjust DST if power fails and batt is out. Holding for 3 secs while
pressing both Month Date + Alarm 1 gets to month/week.DST start
Month Date + Alarm 2 gets to Month/week DST end
2007 settings are 3-F2/3-11 and 11-F/11/4
Must receive calls before clock resets - that doesn't seem to work. Manually
enter MENU/GLOBAL SETUP to change the time for the entire system
How to set the time date on the DVR Camcorder Pen
1. Open notepad and create a file using this format: 2008-06-12 14:20:30
2. Save file to desktop as the name userconfig this will be a .txt file.
3. Connect pen to your computer.
4. Open the drive assigned to your pen.
5. Copy the txt file from your desktop and paste it into this drive you
opened.
6. Exit out of the drive.
*Very Important*
Do "Safely Remove Hardware" on your computer. This makes the file save to
your computer. Repeat process each time you need to change date and time
stamp.
Fresh batteries in both receiver and sensor IMPORTANT!! Do not set the time
or press any other buttons until the display has communicated with
the outdoor sensor for at least 10 minutes.
Use the "SET" button toggle through the menu options.
Use the "MODE/+" button to change the menu options when they are flashing.
1. Press and hold SET for 2 seconds and the time zone will start blinking
(default is "-5"). Press and
release MODE/+ to change to your proper time zone ("-4" Atlantic, "-5"
Eastern, "-6 Central, "-
7" Mountain, "-8" Pacific).
2. Press and release SET and DST will appear. Press and release MODE/+ to
toggle between ON
and OFF. If you live in an area that does not observe Daylight Savings Time,
select OFF.
3. Press and release SET and the snooze timer will start flashing. Press and
release MODE/+ to
/select the snooze interval.
4. Press and release SET and the hours will start flashing. Press and
release MODE/+ to select the
hour.
5. Press and release SET and the minutes will start flashing. Press and
release MODE/+ to select the
minutes.
6. Press and release SET and the year will start flashing. Press and release
MODE/+ to select the
year.
7. Press and release SET and the numeric month will start flashing. Press
and release MODE/+ to
select the month.
8. Press and release SET and the numeric date will start flashing. Press and
release MODE/+ to
select the date.
9. Press and release SET and the day of the week will start flashing. Press
and release MODE/+ to
select the day.
10. Press and release SET and 12 or 24 will start flashing. Press and
release MODE/+ to select 12
hour or 24 hour time display.
11. Press and release SET to exit set-up.
1 Press and hold the select button.
The setup display appears.
2 Rotate the control dial until "CLOCKADJ"
appears, then press it.
The hour indication flashes.
3 Rotate the control dial to set the hour
and minute.
To move the digital indication, press (SEEK)
-/+.
4 After setting the minute, press the
select button.
The setup is complete and the clock starts.
To display the clock, press (DSPL). Press
(DSPL) again to return to the previous display.
Tip
You can set the clock automatically with the RDS
feature (page 9).