Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on indefinitely
as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501 was
plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside light
setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer controlling
the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is detected
and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How is this
happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the switches,
meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

On Nov 14, 1:52*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on indefinitely
as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501 was
plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside light
setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer controlling
the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is detected
and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How is this
happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the switches,
meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.

On Nov 14, 3:07*pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on indefinitely
as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501 was
plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside light
setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer controlling
the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is detected
and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How is this
happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the switches,
meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. *So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. *The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. *Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. *I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. *I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?

On Nov 14, 1:52*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on indefinitely
as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501 was
plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside light
setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer controlling
the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is detected
and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How is this
happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the switches,
meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

Yep not sure what an RR501 is but mine just uses the motion detector
to control the switches. I do have box in my bedroom that will turn
them on overriding the motion detector operating the garage door also
turns the lights on. No signal is transmitted to the switches until
you hit a button on one of the control points so you can have as many
as you like. My garage door opener has one built in.

Jimmie

On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.

On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?

Cant even imagine using an RR501 in the system now that I checked to
see what it is . The motion detector will control the lights without
it.

Jimmie

On Nov 14, 4:38*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:





DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?

Cant even imagine using an RR501 in the system now that I checked to
see what it is . The motion detector will control the lights without
it.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How does a wireless motion sensor control lights on an X10
switch without the RR501 transceiver? The whole point to
the RR501 is to receive wireless signals and put them on the
wireline. The switches do not have wireless receivers in them,
AFAIK. Explain please.

On Nov 14, 4:29*pm, JIMMIE wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on indefinitely
as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501 was
plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside light
setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer controlling
the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is detected
and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How is this
happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the switches,
meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

Yep not sure what an RR501 is but mine just uses the motion detector
to control the switches. I do have box in my bedroom that will turn
them on overriding the motion detector operating the garage door also
turns the lights on. No signal is transmitted to the switches until
you hit a button on one of the control points so you can have as many
as you like. My garage door opener has one built in.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The RR501 is the transceiver that receives the wireless signal from
a wireless device and puts in on the wireline as an X10 signal. The
switches AFAIK do not receive wireless signals directly. There is
nothing in the spec sheet or instructions that I have seen that
indicates
the switches DerbyDad is using are capable of receiving a wireless
signal directly. If you have a link that says otherwise, I'd like to
see it.

On Nov 14, 4:32*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:





DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you've found your answer. I haven't looked at a datasheet in
a while, but as I recall the RR501 just passes along onto the wireline
as an X10 command what it receives via wireless. Meaning it will
pass along ANY house and device codes. I think the house and
device settings on it are for the outlet on the RR501 only. Meaning
if you want to activate that outlet, you have to send it the specific
house and device code.

Try removing the othe RR501 and tell us what happens.

On Nov 14, 5:32*pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 4:32*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:









On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you've found your answer. *I haven't looked at a datasheet in
a while, but as I recall the RR501 just passes along onto the wireline
as an X10 command what it receives via wireless. *Meaning it will
pass along ANY house and device codes. *I think the house and
device settings on it are for the outlet on the RR501 only. *Meaning
if you want to activate that outlet, you have to send it the specific
house and device code.

Try removing the othe RR501 and tell us what happens.

I actually tried that last night and I believe that you are right.

With the basement RR501 unplugged, the sensor for the front lights
does not turn the lights on.

With basement RR501 plugged in, the relay doesn't fire since the unit
codes do not match, but the signal apparently gets sent to the
switches.

Based on the location of the outside sensor and the basement RR501,
I'm surprised that the wireless signal reaches the basement RR501.
Since it turns the lights off more consistently than the one that I
had in the garage (much closer to the sensor) I'm just going to stick
with the one RR501 in the basement.

However, I'm still confused as to why the basement sensor doesn't turn
on the front lights when it fires the relay in the basement RR501.
Shouldn't the basement ON signal be passed along to the switches also?
That is definitely not happening.

On Nov 15, 7:37*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 5:32*pm, "
wrote:





On Nov 14, 4:32*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you've found your answer. *I haven't looked at a datasheet in
a while, but as I recall the RR501 just passes along onto the wireline
as an X10 command what it receives via wireless. *Meaning it will
pass along ANY house and device codes. *I think the house and
device settings on it are for the outlet on the RR501 only. *Meaning
if you want to activate that outlet, you have to send it the specific
house and device code.

Try removing the othe RR501 and tell us what happens.

I actually tried that last night and I believe that you are right.

With the basement RR501 unplugged, the sensor for the front lights
does not turn the lights on.

With basement RR501 plugged in, the relay doesn't fire since the unit
codes do not match, but the signal apparently gets sent to the
switches.

Based on the location of the outside sensor and the basement RR501,
I'm surprised that the wireless signal reaches the basement RR501.
Since it turns the lights off more consistently than the one that I
had in the garage (much closer to the sensor) I'm just going to stick
with the one RR501 in the basement.

However, I'm still confused as to why the basement sensor doesn't turn
on the front lights when it fires the relay in the basement RR501.
Shouldn't the basement ON signal be passed along to the switches also?
That is definitely not happening.- Hide quoted text -

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Aren't the front lights on a different code than the basement
RR501? If so, that's the reason.

On Nov 15, 10:31*am, "
wrote:
On Nov 15, 7:37*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Nov 14, 5:32*pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:32*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

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This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

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There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.- Hide quoted text -

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I think you've found your answer. *I haven't looked at a datasheet in
a while, but as I recall the RR501 just passes along onto the wireline
as an X10 command what it receives via wireless. *Meaning it will
pass along ANY house and device codes. *I think the house and
device settings on it are for the outlet on the RR501 only. *Meaning
if you want to activate that outlet, you have to send it the specific
house and device code.

Try removing the othe RR501 and tell us what happens.

I actually tried that last night and I believe that you are right.

With the basement RR501 unplugged, the sensor for the front lights
does not turn the lights on.

With basement RR501 plugged in, the relay doesn't fire since the unit
codes do not match, but the signal apparently gets sent to the
switches.

Based on the location of the outside sensor and the basement RR501,
I'm surprised that the wireless signal reaches the basement RR501.
Since it turns the lights off more consistently than the one that I
had in the garage (much closer to the sensor) I'm just going to stick
with the one RR501 in the basement.

However, I'm still confused as to why the basement sensor doesn't turn
on the front lights when it fires the relay in the basement RR501.
Shouldn't the basement ON signal be passed along to the switches also?
That is definitely not happening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aren't the front lights on a different code than the basement
RR501? * If so, that's the reason.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, the unit code for MS16A for the front lights is set at 1 while
the basement is set at 9.

But why does the basement RR501 pass along the ON/OFF signal from the
front MS16 to the switches but not pass along the ON/OFF signals from
the basement MS16A?

On Nov 15, 11:23*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 15, 10:31*am, "
wrote:





On Nov 15, 7:37*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Nov 14, 5:32*pm, "
wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:32*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Nov 14, 4:07*pm, "Bob F" wrote:

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 14, 3:07 pm, "
wrote:
On Nov 14, 1:52 pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

Here's my set up:

1 outside light connected to a WS4777 Three-Way Master and Slave
Switch Set
1 outside light connected to a WS467 single switch
1 MS16A motion detector, set to turn the lights off after 10 minutes
of no motion
1 RR501, set to communicate with the MS16A and send it's on/off
signals to the switches.

This set up has work fairly well for over a year, although I
occasionally have an issue where the lights will stay on
indefinitely as if the RR501 is not receiving the OFF signal from
the MS16A.

Well, last week I needed to use the garage outlet where the RR501
was plugged into, so I unplugged it. I assumed that the outside
light setup would no longer work since the RR501 was no longer
controlling the system.

Well, much to my surprise, the lights come on when motion is
detected and 10 minutes later (assuming no motion) they go off. How
is this happening? Does the MS16A communicate directly with the
switches, meaning that I never needed the RR501 in the first place?

If I didn't know you better, I'd swear you were a troll. So, have
you been drinking?

Seriously, I don't know how that could be happening, unless
it's some supernatural thing. The MS16 is wireless and AFAIK, the
switches are wireline only. Without the RR501
transceiver, I don't see how the wireless signal gets to
the switches. I have a similar settup here and without the
RR501 the lights here don't go on. I'll check it when I get
a chance and let you know for sure, but I know I've unplugged
the RR501 to use the outlet for something else, forgot to
put it back, and the lights did not work.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This is not a troll and I quit drinking many years ago.

Seriously, I'm as surprised as you appear to be. There's no more Clack
On/Clack Off from the RR501 (obviously!) yet the lights still do their
thing. In fact, they seem to turn OFF more consistently than they did
with the RR501 installed.

Is there another RR501 or similar component elsewhere in your system, or at a
neighbor's that's on the same transformer from the grid?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There's another MS16A and a RR501 in the basement but they're set for
a dffierent house code than the MS16A and RR501 in the front of the
house. There's a light fixture plugged directly into the basement
RR501 which is controlled by the basement MS16A.

The basement light does not come on when the front lights come on and
the front lights don't come on when the basement light comes on, so I
don't think that that is the cause.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think you've found your answer. *I haven't looked at a datasheet in
a while, but as I recall the RR501 just passes along onto the wireline
as an X10 command what it receives via wireless. *Meaning it will
pass along ANY house and device codes. *I think the house and
device settings on it are for the outlet on the RR501 only. *Meaning
if you want to activate that outlet, you have to send it the specific
house and device code.

Try removing the othe RR501 and tell us what happens.

I actually tried that last night and I believe that you are right.

With the basement RR501 unplugged, the sensor for the front lights
does not turn the lights on.

With basement RR501 plugged in, the relay doesn't fire since the unit
codes do not match, but the signal apparently gets sent to the
switches.

Based on the location of the outside sensor and the basement RR501,
I'm surprised that the wireless signal reaches the basement RR501.
Since it turns the lights off more consistently than the one that I
had in the garage (much closer to the sensor) I'm just going to stick
with the one RR501 in the basement.

However, I'm still confused as to why the basement sensor doesn't turn
on the front lights when it fires the relay in the basement RR501.
Shouldn't the basement ON signal be passed along to the switches also?
That is definitely not happening.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Aren't the front lights on a different code than the basement
RR501? * If so, that's the reason.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, the unit code for MS16A for the front lights is set at 1 while
the basement is set at 9.

But why does the basement RR501 pass along the ON/OFF signal from the
front MS16 to the switches but not pass along the ON/OFF signals from
the basement MS16A?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I'm confused here. It's not clear exactly what you have
and what works and what doesn't. I thought you had:

one RR501, wireless motion detector, X10 switches on
front lights upstairs set to code 1

one RR501, wireless motion detector, X10 switches on
lights in basement set to code 9?

And that all that worked properly. Then you removed the
RR501 upstairs and noticed that the lights upstairs still
worked. The reason for that is the codes are still being
picked up wirelessly by the basement RR501 and put on
the wireline as X10 codes.

What exactly isn't working the way you expect?