My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being "repaired"
I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be very
hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB

DonBloch wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being
"repaired" I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB


The life of a mower like yours is 8 years, but there are good sales on now.

"DonBloch" wrote in message
news
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being
"repaired" I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be very
hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Could be that the engine is worn. Can't say for sure going by years,
depends on actual use. My Cub Cadet lasted 5 years, by Deere lasted about
15.

Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft.
* Foreign object or fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark
plug, pull rope a
couple times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again.
* Timing error, cylinder not firing a TDC.
* Timing error, valves operating out of time.

In any case, the people at this shop don't sound like they
know mowers.
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"DonBloch" wrote in message
news My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always
started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after
being "repaired"
I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang
up and be very
hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very
much at all.

Thanks,

DLB

On Oct 26, 8:48*pm, "DonBloch" wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being "repaired"
I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be very
hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB

Didn't you check with some neighbors for a reputable repair shop
before you sent it out? Make sure you let others know about your lack
of satisfaction with the place you went to that did such a bad job.
You shouldn't have paid them for the repairs until they showed you the
lawn mower started easily since that is why you had it repaired.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft.
* Foreign object or fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark
plug, pull rope a
couple times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again.
* Timing error, cylinder not firing a TDC.
* Timing error, valves operating out of time.

In any case, the people at this shop don't sound like they
know mowers.

I agree. Check the blade is tight, and if it is, check that the flywheel "key"
has not sheared, allowing the timing to be wrong. For me, either has caused the
rope to jerk as you pull, sometimes even enough to break the rope.

Me, and my mower. It starts with a jerk. Or was that, the
lady got off the bus with a jerk?

I am remembering ad on TV for a treadmill, and they "hate
those herky jerky starts" the other brand of treadmill
provides.

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"Bob F"
wrote in message ...

I agree. Check the blade is tight, and if it is, check that
the flywheel "key"
has not sheared, allowing the timing to be wrong. For me,
either has caused the
rope to jerk as you pull, sometimes even enough to break the
rope.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:27:15 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft. * Foreign object or
fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark plug, pull rope a
couple times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again. * Timing
error, cylinder not firing a TDC. * Timing error, valves operating out
of time.

I'm reading the OP as though they think it's a problem with the recoil
starter though, *not* with the engine. I have seen the recoil mechanism
wear on some equipment to the point that it binds or doesn't recoil or
doesn't engage the flywheel properly; I'd start there (usually it's just
a few bolts and the entire unit comes off and can be inspected)

DonBloch wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being
"repaired" I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB


Hi,
What did they do at the shop?

On Oct 27, 8:46*am, Jules Richardson
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:27:15 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft. * Foreign object or
fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark plug, pull rope a
couple times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again. * Timing
error, cylinder not firing a TDC. * Timing error, valves operating out
of time.

I'm reading the OP as though they think it's a problem with the recoil
starter though, *not* with the engine. I have seen the recoil mechanism
wear on some equipment to the point that it binds or doesn't recoil or
doesn't engage the flywheel properly; I'd start there (usually it's just
a few bolts and the entire unit comes off and can be inspected)

"Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very
hard to pull? "
I would take this as hard to pull, as in...partially sheared key.
FWIW.

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:50:45 -0700, Bob_Villa wrote:

On Oct 27, 8:46Â*am, Jules Richardson
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:27:15 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft. * Foreign object or
fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark plug, pull rope a couple
times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again. * Timing error,
cylinder not firing a TDC. * Timing error, valves operating out of
time.

I'm reading the OP as though they think it's a problem with the recoil
starter though, *not* with the engine. I have seen the recoil mechanism
wear on some equipment to the point that it binds or doesn't recoil or
doesn't engage the flywheel properly; I'd start there (usually it's
just a few bolts and the entire unit comes off and can be inspected)

"Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very
hard to pull? "
I would take this as hard to pull, as in...partially sheared key. FWIW.

I suppose - it was the "hang up" that made it sound to me like they meant
it was suddenly jamming, though.

A key problem wouldn't usually make it hard to pull, surely? Just very
hard to get it to actually fire up because the timing would be shot,
assuming it'd even run at all - but it'd still turn over as easily as it
ever did.

Having said that, I did aquire a trimmer where the key survived but the
aluminum flywheel chewed itself to death on the shaft and ended up
completely off-axis - partway through a revolution it would then contact
the magneto, and (aside from the fact that it wasn't ever going to run)
that did give hard to pull / hang-up behavior on the starter.

cheers

Jules

Jules Richardson wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:50:45 -0700, Bob_Villa wrote:

On Oct 27, 8:46 am, Jules Richardson
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:27:15 -0400, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Could be several things. The first two things come to mind.

* Blade is loose. Tighten the blade to the shaft. * Foreign object
or fluid in piston cylinder. Remove spark plug, pull rope a couple
times. To blow it out. Replace spark plug, try again. * Timing
error, cylinder not firing a TDC. * Timing error, valves operating
out of time.

I'm reading the OP as though they think it's a problem with the
recoil starter though, *not* with the engine. I have seen the
recoil mechanism wear on some equipment to the point that it binds
or doesn't recoil or doesn't engage the flywheel properly; I'd
start there (usually it's just a few bolts and the entire unit
comes off and can be inspected)

"Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and
be very
hard to pull? "
I would take this as hard to pull, as in...partially sheared key.
FWIW.

I suppose - it was the "hang up" that made it sound to me like they
meant it was suddenly jamming, though.

A key problem wouldn't usually make it hard to pull, surely? Just very
hard to get it to actually fire up because the timing would be shot,
assuming it'd even run at all - but it'd still turn over as easily as
it ever did.

It will indeed. It'll fire before the cylinder gets to TDC, and will jerk the
cord HARD. Hard enough to break the rope in some cases.

Perhaps for electonic ignitions. Less so for points.

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"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Jules Richardson wrote:

I suppose - it was the "hang up" that made it sound to me
like they
meant it was suddenly jamming, though.

A key problem wouldn't usually make it hard to pull,
surely? Just very
hard to get it to actually fire up because the timing
would be shot,
assuming it'd even run at all - but it'd still turn over
as easily as
it ever did.

It will indeed. It'll fire before the cylinder gets to TDC,
and will jerk the
cord HARD. Hard enough to break the rope in some cases.

DonBloch wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being
"repaired" I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB



Everything everyone said, and check the cables, when they get old they
often don't release the flywheel brake. Also there is usually a
compression release that holds the exhaust valve open a bit when
starting so the valves have to be properly adjusted. Old mowers are
expensive to have repaired and the results are often disappointing.
With the price of scrap metal up I don't see many old mowers sitting
around anymore, they used to come out of the woodwork, not any more.

On 10/26/2011 8:48 PM, DonBloch wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being
"repaired" I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be
very hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB


My first-year Toro Personal Pace mower has never started on the first or
second pull. What are you complaining about? Or should I complain that
it starts on the 3rd pull consistently? I was told this is common for
Toro mowers.

On Wednesday, October 26, 2011 at 8:48:00 PM UTC-5, DonBloch wrote:
My Toro Personal Pace mower is 9 years old and has always started on the
first or second pull of the starter cord. Not so this year.

I sent it out for maintenance, and when I got it back after being "repaired"
I still had a hard time starting it.

Can anyone tell me what is causing the starter rope to hang up and be very
hard to pull?

Where I sent it for repairs, they don't seem to know very much at all.

Thanks,

DLB
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Matthew chapter 24 NIV (New International Version of the Bible.)

Signs of the End of the Age
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b] spoken of through the prophet Daniel€”let the reader understand€” 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now€”and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect€”if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew chapter 25 NIV

1"At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4The wise, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6"At midnight the cry rang out: 'Here's the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!'
7"Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8The foolish ones said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.'
9" 'No,' they replied, 'there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.'
10"But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11"Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!'
12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'
13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The Parable of the Talents
14"Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15To one he gave five talents[a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.
19"After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'
21"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
22"The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'
23"His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'
24"Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'
26"His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
28" 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
The Sheep and the Goats
31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Footnotes:
a. Matthew 24:5 Or Messiah; also in verse 23
b. Matthew 24:15 Daniel 9:27; 11:31; 12:11
c. Matthew 24:29 Isaiah 13:10; 34:4
d. Matthew 24:33 Or he
e. Matthew 24:34 Or race
f. Matthew 24:36 Some manuscripts do not have nor the Son.
a. Matthew 25:15 A talent was worth more than a thousand dollars.
Matthew 24-25 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
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