"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit exposure
to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Imposed in 2008 -- before
the Obama administration came to power -- the rule required that renovations
to older homes be done by EPA-certified contractors following EPA-dictated
procedures. But the rule contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner
filed a certificate saying there were no pregnant women or children under
six years of age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. But that changed under when the Obama administration came to
Washington. Several environmental groups challenged the opt-out provision,
and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working with environmentalists in
2009 to fashion a settlement removing the opt-out provision. Now, all
homeowners who renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...mi-under-obama

On Sep 14, 12:09*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit exposure
to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. *Imposed in 2008 -- before
the Obama administration came to power -- the rule required that renovations
to older homes be done by EPA-certified contractors following EPA-dictated
procedures. But the rule contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner
filed a certificate saying there were no pregnant women or children under
six years of age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. *But that changed under when the Obama administration came to
Washington. *Several environmental groups challenged the opt-out provision,
and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working with environmentalists in
2009 to fashion a settlement removing the opt-out provision. *Now, all
homeowners who renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...y-confidential...

BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...

~~ Evan

Evan writes:

On Sep 14, 12:09Â*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit exposure
to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Â*Imposed in 2008 -- before
the Obama administration came to power -- the rule required that renovations
to older homes be done by EPA-certified contractors following EPA-dictated
procedures. But the rule contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner
filed a certificate saying there were no pregnant women or children under
six years of age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. Â*But that changed under when the Obama administration came to
Washington. Â*Several environmental groups challenged the opt-out provision,
and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working with environmentalists in
2009 to fashion a settlement removing the opt-out provision. Â*Now, all
homeowners who renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...y-confidential...

BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...

Facts?

What are you nuts?

This is the newsgroup for all those crusty old guys that once fixed something
to have a few drinks and get on the computer and complain about
random things the government is doing to them.

Facts don't count.

--
Dan Espen

On 9/14/2011 5:29 PM, wrote:
writes:

On Sep 14, 12:09 pm, wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit exposure
to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Imposed in 2008 -- before
the Obama administration came to power -- the rule required that renovations
to older homes be done by EPA-certified contractors following EPA-dictated
procedures. But the rule contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner
filed a certificate saying there were no pregnant women or children under
six years of age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. But that changed under when the Obama administration came to
Washington. Several environmental groups challenged the opt-out provision,
and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working with environmentalists in
2009 to fashion a settlement removing the opt-out provision. Now, all
homeowners who renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...y-confidential...

BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...

Facts?

What are you nuts?

This is the newsgroup for all those crusty old guys that once fixed something
to have a few drinks and get on the computer and complain about
random things the government is doing to them.

Facts don't count.

Yup, count me as one of those crusty old guys.

But, I worked in an environmental area and the current EPA is in need of
restraint.

Obama's appointee to head it up is a sycophant, who like Obama has no
real world experience.

Home repair is one business they cannot chase out of the country, but
believe me, they are chasing out others.

Evan wrote:
On Sep 14, 12:09 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit
exposure to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Imposed
in 2008 -- before the Obama administration came to power -- the rule
required that renovations to older homes be done by EPA-certified
contractors following EPA-dictated procedures. But the rule
contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner filed a certificate
saying there were no pregnant women or children under six years of
age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. But that changed under when the Obama administration
came to Washington. Several environmental groups challenged the
opt-out provision, and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working
with environmentalists in 2009 to fashion a settlement removing the
opt-out provision. Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to
go through the costly procedures."

And more.


BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...


Did you see the continue line "And more"?

Had you followed it before going into the "rant mode," you would have seen,
as the very next sentence, "The report says homeowners, eager to avoid extra
costs imposed by the rule, often perform renovations themselves or hire
non-certified renovators who will do the work for less than certified
firms."

I apologize for taking only a snippet thereby omitting the part that's dear
to your heart. But, for the sake of your heart - and blood pressure - you
might want to read the whole thing.

And you can read it at the correct link below:
http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...mi-under-obama

On Sep 14, 6:02*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Evan wrote:
On Sep 14, 12:09 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit
exposure to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Imposed
in 2008 -- before the Obama administration came to power -- the rule
required that renovations to older homes be done by EPA-certified
contractors following EPA-dictated procedures. But the rule
contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner filed a certificate
saying there were no pregnant women or children under six years of
age in the home, the renovations could go forward without the
certification. But that changed under when the Obama administration
came to Washington. Several environmental groups challenged the
opt-out provision, and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working
with environmentalists in 2009 to fashion a settlement removing the
opt-out provision. Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to
go through the costly procedures."

And more.

BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... *If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...

Did you see the continue line "And more"?

Had you followed it before going into the "rant mode," you would have seen,
as the very next sentence, "The report says homeowners, eager to avoid extra
costs imposed by the rule, often perform renovations themselves or hire
non-certified renovators who will do the work for less than certified
firms."

I apologize for taking only a snippet thereby omitting the part that's dear
to your heart. But, for the sake of your heart - and blood pressure - you
might want to read the whole thing.

And you can read it at the correct link below:http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...y-confidential...

Right...

Only your slanted article implies that BOTH of the options you gave
above are shifty and/or illegal...

A homeowner can do the work on their home without the PPE if they
wish because honestly unless the homeowner is in the business of
buying and flipping older homes it will be a once-in-a-lifetime type
of
project for them...

Lead paint is not considered hazardous waste, it doesn't have to be
collected and disposed of in special thick plastic bags with printed
health warnings on them and double wrapped like asbestos... You
also have to document chain of custody on asbestos waste and only
those people who are licensed to remove it or dispose of hazardous
wastes can transport it and deliver it to authorized disposal sites...

The whole idea behind the new lead paint handling EPA rules are
to protect the ground around homes from being contaminated by
professional contractors who do that sort of work every day and
whom could become ill from repeated exposure to and inhalation
of fine particles of lead containing dust -- which is harmful...

There is no such thing as a "non-certified firm" anyone who doesn't
OWN the home being worked on has to have the training and certs
required under the rule or they are performing illegal work and are
committing a criminal violation of EPA regs regardless if the company
is a painting company or a construction company...

The only person who can do work on a home with lead paint without
being certified and using the PPE is the homeowner themselves:
no friends or family, no neighbors, no volunteers, no paid contractors
or employees... Only a homeowner is exempt from the training and
certification requirements and the mandated use of PPE and the
minimum required containment practices...

~~ Evan

Evan wrote:
On Sep 14, 6:02 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
Evan wrote:
On Sep 14, 12:09 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"The report focuses on the Environmental Protection Agency's Lead
Renovation, Repair and Painting Rule, which was designed to limit
exposure to lead-based paints in houses built before 1978. Imposed
in 2008 -- before the Obama administration came to power -- the
rule required that renovations to older homes be done by
EPA-certified contractors following EPA-dictated procedures. But
the rule contained an opt-out provision: If a homeowner filed a
certificate saying there were no pregnant women or children under
six years of age in the home, the renovations could go forward
without the certification. But that changed under when the Obama
administration came to Washington. Several environmental groups
challenged the opt-out provision, and the Obama EPA chose not to
defend it, working with environmentalists in 2009 to fashion a
settlement removing the opt-out provision. Now, all homeowners who
renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

BULL ****...

"Now, all homeowners who renovate are required to go through the
costly
procedures."

That just PROVES you and the idiot that wrote the article which you
quoted never actually read any of the regulations at all, the
certification
applies only to people whom you PAY to do work on your home... If
you don't want to pay for the extra PPE measures then you as a
homeowner can do your own work with as little PPE as you want...
The dust and debris removed from a home containing lead paint is
not treated as hazardous waste -- it can be thrown out in the normal
garbage stream...

For the statement to be true you would have to insert "pay someone
else to do the work to" after the word who...

Did you see the continue line "And more"?

Had you followed it before going into the "rant mode," you would
have seen,
as the very next sentence, "The report says homeowners, eager to
avoid extra
costs imposed by the rule, often perform renovations themselves or
hire
non-certified renovators who will do the work for less than certified
firms."

I apologize for taking only a snippet thereby omitting the part
that's dear
to your heart. But, for the sake of your heart - and blood pressure
- you
might want to read the whole thing.

And you can read it at the correct link
below:http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...y-confidential...

Right...

Only your slanted article implies that BOTH of the options you gave
above are shifty and/or illegal...

It wasn't MY slanted article. I didn't write it or endorse it. I posted ONE
paragraph here to encourage further research and discussion. Instead I get
an ad hominum attack.

Pitiful.


A homeowner can do the work on their home without the PPE if they
wish because honestly unless the homeowner is in the business of
buying and flipping older homes it will be a once-in-a-lifetime type
of
project for them...

Lead paint is not considered hazardous waste, it doesn't have to be
collected and disposed of in special thick plastic bags with printed
health warnings on them and double wrapped like asbestos... You
also have to document chain of custody on asbestos waste and only
those people who are licensed to remove it or dispose of hazardous
wastes can transport it and deliver it to authorized disposal sites...

The whole idea behind the new lead paint handling EPA rules are
to protect the ground around homes from being contaminated by
professional contractors who do that sort of work every day and
whom could become ill from repeated exposure to and inhalation
of fine particles of lead containing dust -- which is harmful...

There is no such thing as a "non-certified firm" anyone who doesn't
OWN the home being worked on has to have the training and certs
required under the rule or they are performing illegal work and are
committing a criminal violation of EPA regs regardless if the company
is a painting company or a construction company...

The only person who can do work on a home with lead paint without
being certified and using the PPE is the homeowner themselves:
no friends or family, no neighbors, no volunteers, no paid contractors
or employees... Only a homeowner is exempt from the training and
certification requirements and the mandated use of PPE and the
minimum required containment practices...


Thank you for the expansion and explanation of the entire concept. That's
what I was hoping to see (and presumably others).

HeyBub wrote:
Several environmental groups challenged the opt-out provision,
and the Obama EPA chose not to defend it, working with environmentalists in
2009 to fashion a settlement removing the opt-out provision. Now, all
homeowners who renovate are required to go through the costly procedures."

And more.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...mi-under-obama

This is major bad news, at least to me.

I have fantasies of putting the activists, etc. all on a reservation
and making them live according to their rules.

Evan wrote:
A homeowner can do the work on their home without the PPE if they
wish because honestly unless the homeowner is in the business of
buying and flipping older homes it will be a once-in-a-lifetime type
of project for them...

you haven't met any dedicated renovators. they don't flip, but
many have done more than one house.