On May 7, 3:08*pm, Metspitzer wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. *I always thought that was a good idea.


Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for travellers...
It would have been confused as a phase conductor in 277/480v
Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors --
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the wiring
from the panel to the farthest end of each circuit is colored
by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors of
the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... Although this is going to be
a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... The lights on the fan
would be powered by the Red conductor which is switched...

This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where with
a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip into the
walls or snake additional wires in finished walls...

~~ Evan

On May 7, 3:08*pm, Metspitzer wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. *I always thought that was a good idea.

NO NO SPITFIRE...RED IS HOT ALWAYS..WHERE THE HECK IS YOUR COMMON
SENSE DUDE???
SHAPE UP OR SHIP OUT......

TGITM

On May 7, 8:49*pm, Evan wrote:
On May 7, 3:08*pm, Metspitzer wrote:





On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. *I always thought that was a good idea.

Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for travellers...
It would have been confused as a phase conductor in 277/480v
Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors --
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the wiring
from the panel to the farthest end of each circuit is colored
by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) *Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... *When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors of
the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... *Although this is going to be
a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... *That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... *The lights on the fan
would be powered by the Red conductor which is switched...

This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where with
a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip into the
walls or snake additional wires in finished walls...

~~ Evan
WHAT ARE YOU ???
AN ELECTRIC CABLE MANUFACTURER TRYING TO SEREPTICIOUSLY BOOST YOUR
SALES HERE
TAKE A HIKE MISTER !
BOOOWAHAHA !
TGITM

On 5/7/2011 7:49 PM, Evan wrote:
On May 7, 3:08 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. I always thought that was a good idea.


Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for travellers...
It would have been confused as a phase conductor in 277/480v
Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors --
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the wiring
from the panel to the farthest end of each circuit is colored
by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors of
the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... Although this is going to be
a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... The lights on the fan
would be powered by the Red conductor which is switched...

This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where with
a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip into the
walls or snake additional wires in finished walls...

~~ Evan

The guy insisting on purple for travelers may have been using 277volt
lighting. Most of the 120 volt travelers I've ever seen were blue.

TDD

On May 7, 10:04*pm, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 5/7/2011 7:49 PM, Evan wrote:



On May 7, 3:08 pm, *wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

*wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. *I always thought that was a good idea.

Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for travellers...
It would have been confused as a phase conductor in 277/480v
Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors --
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the wiring
from the panel to the farthest end of each circuit is colored
by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) *Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... *When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors of
the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... *Although this is going to be
a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... *That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... *The lights on the fan
would be powered by the Red conductor which is switched...

This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where with
a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip into the
walls or snake additional wires in finished walls...

~~ Evan

The guy insisting on purple for travelers may have been using 277volt
lighting. Most of the 120 volt travelers I've ever seen were blue.

TDD


You wouldn't want to use the purple color out of phase...

So perhaps on a lighting circuit fed from L2 he could have
used purple travelers...

Some installations are fairly anal about maintaining that
color coding so you can tell instantly what phase your
circuit is powered on the second you take off a cover
plate or open an enclosure...

~~ Evan

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

My walls would be hollow and wide enough to walk through. I would
install
the obligatory portraits with the eye holes cut out and I'd dig an
escape
tunnel into the woods behind the house that had rails and a jet
propelled
exit sled. And I'd have a moat and drawbridge with a secret trap door
to
send Saturday morning door-knocking, save your soul religious types
straight
to a moat baptism while fighting off the alligators and piranhas in the
water. That way, I could get to look down at them and say: "You
disagreed
with something that ate you."

--
Bobby G.



I used to have fun frightening those Jesus freaks when they came to the
door by claiming to be in the middle of Satanic ritual sacrifice of a
nubile virgin. If I saw them in the area going from house to house and
had the time, I would call some friends to get in on it and setup a
whole faux Satanic ritual to confront the proselytizers with. I had a
couple of gal pals who did the greatest evil diva act which would send
many of the door knockers running in terror. It was such fun back then.
^_^

It's too bad I don't have time for much fun with them anymore. I did mount
a 12" alarm bell right above the front door to discourage the more
persistent ones. They're the ones who knock forever (and could easily be
looking for homes to target for burglary) and upset all the neighborhood
dogs. It's easy to tell when they are "working the area." The best part is
watching them skulk away like they didn't do anything. The worst of the
bunch was not Jehovah's Witlesses, but some kids Verizon hired to peddle
FIOS. Verizon went from "no information about FIOS in your area is
available" to banging my door down every few days.

--
Bobby G.

On 5/8/2011 1:05 PM, Robert Green wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...

stuff snipped

My walls would be hollow and wide enough to walk through. I would
install
the obligatory portraits with the eye holes cut out and I'd dig an
escape
tunnel into the woods behind the house that had rails and a jet
propelled
exit sled. And I'd have a moat and drawbridge with a secret trap door
to
send Saturday morning door-knocking, save your soul religious types
straight
to a moat baptism while fighting off the alligators and piranhas in the
water. That way, I could get to look down at them and say: "You
disagreed
with something that ate you."

--
Bobby G.



I used to have fun frightening those Jesus freaks when they came to the
door by claiming to be in the middle of Satanic ritual sacrifice of a
nubile virgin. If I saw them in the area going from house to house and
had the time, I would call some friends to get in on it and setup a
whole faux Satanic ritual to confront the proselytizers with. I had a
couple of gal pals who did the greatest evil diva act which would send
many of the door knockers running in terror. It was such fun back then.
^_^

It's too bad I don't have time for much fun with them anymore. I did mount
a 12" alarm bell right above the front door to discourage the more
persistent ones. They're the ones who knock forever (and could easily be
looking for homes to target for burglary) and upset all the neighborhood
dogs. It's easy to tell when they are "working the area." The best part is
watching them skulk away like they didn't do anything. The worst of the
bunch was not Jehovah's Witlesses, but some kids Verizon hired to peddle
FIOS. Verizon went from "no information about FIOS in your area is
available" to banging my door down every few days.

--
Bobby G.


Some of them don't understand what "No Soliciting" or "No Salesmen" on a
sign at your front gate means. Pepper spray helps train them. :-)

TDD

Followed by one leg of the 240 VAC circuit?

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...

Some of them don't understand what "No Soliciting" or "No
Salesmen" on a
sign at your front gate means. Pepper spray helps train
them. :-)

TDD

In ,
The Daring Dufas typed:
On 5/7/2011 7:49 PM, Evan wrote:
On May 7, 3:08 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end
what its color should be. I think It's in the NEC but
I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for
travelers and switch legs. I always thought that was a
good idea.


Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for
travellers... It would have been confused as a phase
conductor in 277/480v Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors
--
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the
wiring from the panel to the farthest end of each
circuit is colored by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors
of the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... Although this is going to
be a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... The lights on the
fan would be powered by the Red conductor which is
switched... This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where
with a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip
into the walls or snake additional wires in finished
walls... ~~ Evan

The guy insisting on purple for travelers may have been
using 277volt lighting. Most of the 120 volt travelers
I've ever seen were blue.
TDD

That sounds more like a European spec; brown, blue &

The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...


On 5/7/2011 2:29 PM, RBM wrote:
wrote in message
news
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"
wrote:

Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. I always thought that was a good idea.


** That's fine if you're pulling your own conductors. The Nec has no
specific colors for switched legs, other than not using the white wire of a
cable, as the return from a switch. All colors are considered "hot" except
green, white, and natural gray. and no, I have no idea what the difference
is between gray, and natural gray.


Natural gray is really old and cranky wire. ^_^

TDD

Is the "Just for Wire" ?

--
Tekkie

On 5/9/2011 10:08 AM, Tekkie® wrote:
The Daring Dufas posted for all of us...


On 5/7/2011 2:29 PM, RBM wrote:
wrote in message
news On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"
wrote:

Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end what its color should
be. I think It's in the NEC but I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for travelers and
switch legs. I always thought that was a good idea.


** That's fine if you're pulling your own conductors. The Nec has no
specific colors for switched legs, other than not using the white wire of a
cable, as the return from a switch. All colors are considered "hot" except
green, white, and natural gray. and no, I have no idea what the difference
is between gray, and natural gray.


Natural gray is really old and cranky wire. ^_^

TDD

Is the "Just for Wire" ?


Yea, whenever you want to renew the color of your old wiring. It renews
the color of the wiring but doesn't do much for the cracks in the
insulation. There are other products that work for filling in the cracks
and wrinkles in your old wiring, I think one is called "Almay Electra".
^_^

TDD

On May 9, 9:57*am, "Twayne" wrote:
,
The Daring Dufas typed:



On 5/7/2011 7:49 PM, Evan wrote:
On May 7, 3:08 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

*wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end
what its color should be. I think It's in the NEC but
I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for
travelers and switch legs. *I always thought that was a
good idea.

Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for
travellers... It would have been confused as a phase
conductor in 277/480v Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors
--
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the
wiring from the panel to the farthest end of each
circuit is colored by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) *Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... *When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors
of the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... *Although this is going to
be a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... *That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... *The lights on the
fan would be powered by the Red conductor which is
switched... This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where
with a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip
into the walls or snake additional wires in finished
walls... ~~ Evan

The guy insisting on purple for travelers may have been
using 277volt lighting. Most of the 120 volt travelers
I've ever seen were blue.
TDD

That sounds more like a European spec; brown, blue &

Nope... Just sounds like you haven't worked in many
commercial or industrial facilities is all...

~~ Evan

On May 9, 8:01*pm, Evan wrote:
On May 9, 9:57*am, "Twayne" wrote:





,
The Daring Dufas typed:

On 5/7/2011 7:49 PM, Evan wrote:
On May 7, 3:08 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 7 May 2011 14:46:49 -0400, "Twayne"

*wrote:
Yes, as long as it's labelled or colored at each end
what its color should be. I think It's in the NEC but
I can't cite it.

IIRC, and you might want to check this out for su

In such a ckt, the norm is:
RED = Always hot
Blk = switched hot
WH = Neutral

I always made the red the switched. *So much for normal.

I had a foreman once that ordered purple to use for
travelers and switch legs. *I always thought that was a
good idea.

Purple must have been used in 120/240v service for
travellers... It would have been confused as a phase
conductor in 277/480v Wye power systems...

Where it wouldn't be confused with the phase conductors
--
in serious commercial/industrial applications all of the
wiring from the panel to the farthest end of each
circuit is colored by phase:

In 120/240v systems it is common to use the following
colors for circuit conductors:

L1: Black
L2: Red
L3: Blue
N: White
G: Green or Green/Yellow stripe

Where you would also mark a "high leg" in a Delta wired
system with Orange...

In 277/480v systems you would use the following colors:

L1: Brown
L2: Orange (delta) *Purple (wye)
L3: Yellow
N: Grey
G: Green

Those color "common practices" are not code but they are
generally adhered to due to the ease of servicing such
installations without needing to resort to numbering each
conductor and using wiring diagrams every time you open
up connections to work on them... *When you remove a
cover plate on a switch for lighting and see the colors
of the wires you would know which voltage you are working
on...

As far as switch legs in residential construction:

White in a two-wire cable used as a switch leg is always
to be the supply side of the leg, the switched load is to
be on the Black conductor... *Although this is going to
be a moot point going forward as there is now a new code
requirement that a neutral be provided at every switch
location... *That means three wire cables and White
being the neutral...

In general practice in switch circuits Black is usually
constant power, only being switched if there are multiple
groups of lighting being fed off the one cable --
this is useful where you might have a ceiling fan where
the fan portion is controlled by the pull string on the
fan or an integral remote control... *The lights on the
fan would be powered by the Red conductor which is
switched... This logic also applies to wiring for receptacles, where
with a three wire cable you could have a switched receptacle
(or several switched receptacles) in a room where the
Black conductor is constant power and the Red conductor
is the switched load...

If only more people wired their houses with three or four
wire cable they would be able to do many more interesting
things later on down the road without needing to rip
into the walls or snake additional wires in finished
walls... ~~ Evan

The guy insisting on purple for travelers may have been
using 277volt lighting. Most of the 120 volt travelers
I've ever seen were blue.
TDD

That sounds more like a European spec; brown, blue &

Nope... *Just sounds like you haven't worked in many
commercial or industrial facilities is all...

~~ Evan

WHO, TWANG???
HE WORKS WELL IN GUITARS AND PIANOS AND SUCH..IT'S A MYSTERY TO
EVERYONE HOW HE RESONATES AT ALL IN HERE :/

TGITM