I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

On 3/9/2011 11:47 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

Oh come on, don't pick on our first Affirmative Action President, he has
enough trouble right now. He's ours whether you like it or not so show
him a little respect. Besides, he has to hear about Jimmy Carter walking
around mumbling "I'm not the worst, I'm not the worst, I'm not the
worst." That can really wear a feller down. ^_^

TDD

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD


That's the singer in my band.

On 3/10/2011 7:12 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD


That's the singer in my band.


What do you call a drummer who's girlfriend left him?: Homeless.

Jeff

"Jeff Thies" wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 7:12 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"The Daring wrote in message
...
I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD


That's the singer in my band.


What do you call a drummer who's girlfriend left him?: Homeless.

Jeff


Q: How can you tell when the stage is perfectly level?

A: When the guitarist is drooling equally from both sides of his mouth.

On 3/10/2011 12:47 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

Let's see when he came into office:

600K jobs/month lost, month after month.
Financial sector in shambles
GE had to borrow money from Buffet
DOW fallen to 8,500
Iraq war raging

All of those in much better shape.

What you have now is a bunch of Tea Party loons worrying about what
*may* happen instead of what did happen. All while idolizing Sara Palin
and Michelle Bachman.

You can either let it go or we can run this thread out forever.

Jeff

On 3/9/2011 11:37 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

There's a large group of people where thinking is not an option. Some
of them are benign, others do actual damage. Most are what my father
would have called: "Useless as a Nun's ****."

I gave a nice working receiver to "Rutabaga". Worked fine for a while
until he stuck a screwdriver in the power wiring to see the sparks fly.
Not once, but several times. The same guy tested hot melt glue by
squeezing a bit on his finger, not once, but twice. Drinks beer out of a
straw. I don't let him come around anymore.

But bright guys can be complete screw ups. Laid off Lockheed engineer
went to help a friend change her starter. After carefully examining how
it was installed he declared that he needed a lift and a cutting torch.
He also examined a friends car to determine why it was barely running
and declared that the lifters had gone bad, it was running out of gas.
He's the kind of a guy you can see working for days, and nothing is
getting done.

Then there's Patrick, I'm using his real name just because, who will
screw something up so badly because he does everything in the laziest
manner possible, and then cusses out people who have to fix it because
they aren't working fast enough. Was just looking at one of his last
screwups, laid nice tile on top of two layers of broken up vinyl. Left
the edges in the old broken and then ran out of tile. Did it in such
away that it all has to be thrown away and it looks like hell.

I'm all for having friends for amusement, but I just don't have the
time for those that aren't truly amusing. And I only let competent
people help anymore.

Jeff

"Jeff Thies" wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 12:47 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

Let's see when he came into office:

600K jobs/month lost, month after month.
Financial sector in shambles
GE had to borrow money from Buffet
DOW fallen to 8,500
Iraq war raging

All of those in much better shape.

What you have now is a bunch of Tea Party loons worrying about what *may*
happen instead of what did happen. All while idolizing Sara Palin and
Michelle Bachman.

You can either let it go or we can run this thread out forever.

Jeff



You're dealing with people who read almost nothing except perhaps web sites
run by angry loons living in their mothers' basements. Here's an example:
Last week on a talk show, a competent reporter was explaining the justice
department's new policy regarding DOMA (Defense Of Marriage Act). She
explained it perfectly. Then, they opened the phone lines and the first
caller began whining.

Caller (with southern accent): It's real bad when a president decides to
ignore a law. I mean, where's it gonna stop?

Reporter: Sir, they're not ignoring the law. They're going to enforce the
law, but if its constitutionality is ever called into question before the
court, they won't defend it. If there are congressmen who want it defended
in court, they'll have to appoint a lawyer to represent the government. This
has happened many times in the past, very quietly, in almost every
administration.

Caller: Well, that ain't what I heard.

Reporter: I just read Goeffrey Holder's letter twice for the listeners.
Interpret it any way you like, but the meaning is absolutely clear.

Caller: I'm tellin' ya - I heard they won't enforce it.

Reporter: (Now sounding like she'd like to waterboard the guy to find out
where he "heard it" from) Sir, there will be a link to Holder's letter on
our web site. I'd suggest you read it.

Caller: CLICK

And now, we have several more trillions of dollars of
national debt. Thanks to the Dumbocrats, and orchestrated by
O'bother.

I've known people like this. The ones I've known have been
displaying either passive agressive, or dry alcoholic
behaviours.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Gordon Shumway" wrote in message
news On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by
me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out
of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that
living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Jeff Thies"
wrote in message ...

600K jobs/month lost, month after month.
Financial sector in shambles
GE had to borrow money from Buffet
DOW fallen to 8,500
Iraq war raging

All of those in much better shape.

What you have now is a bunch of Tea Party loons worrying
about what
*may* happen instead of what did happen. All while idolizing
Sara Palin
and Michelle Bachman.

You can either let it go or we can run this thread out
forever.

Jeff

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus


So are people who top post.

On 3/10/2011 9:02 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Stormin wrote in message
...
I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus


So are people who top post.


Stormin has never properly posted. Note that the previous post always
appears below his sig where it is subsequently lost. Whether he can't
figure that out, or does it deliberately is unknown. Either way he has
never cared to correct it. I like him, but you are wasting your time
arguing facts or netiquette with Stormin.

Jeff

"Jeff Thies" wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 9:02 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Stormin wrote in message
...
I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus


So are people who top post.


Stormin has never properly posted. Note that the previous post always
appears below his sig where it is subsequently lost. Whether he can't
figure that out, or does it deliberately is unknown. Either way he has
never cared to correct it. I like him, but you are wasting your time
arguing facts or netiquette with Stormin.

Jeff


The religious badge is another issue. A friend of mine pointed out a passage
in the bible which warns against people who wear the badge, or wave their
religion in public places. I should've hung onto the quote. It's a good one.
Old Testament, if I recall correctly.

Beware hypocrites, who pray loudly on the street corners to
be seen of men. For, verily, I say they have their reward.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in
message ...

The religious badge is another issue. A friend of mine
pointed out a passage
in the bible which warns against people who wear the badge,
or wave their
religion in public places. I should've hung onto the quote.
It's a good one.
Old Testament, if I recall correctly.

On 3/10/2011 8:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
And now, we have several more trillions of dollars of
national debt. Thanks to the Dumbocrats,

Insult in lieu of facts.

and orchestrated by
O'bother.

Another insult in lieu of facts.

George W Bush deliberately blew a surplus, doubled the national debt
under his tenure and left unlimited red ink due to his unpaid for and
irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. For his first term he almost
averaged more jobs lost than gained. For both terms the net job gain is
less than 20K/month, that in a country that should be adding 150K
workers/month from population growth.

Governments run deficits in bad times and surpluses in good times. W
insisted on running a deficit regardless.

And how did all that trickle down economics work out? 401K's destroyed,
housing destroyed, banks destroyed. And you approve of all that?

The W tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy, if anything they
put a lot of money in the hands of people that subsequently put much of
that money in the CDOs and other exotic financial instruments that
nearly brought this country to the brink of a depression. That is 6
trillion dollars not only thrown away but used to destroy the economy.

I've known people like this. The ones I've known have been
displaying either passive agressive, or dry alcoholic
behaviours.

Yet another insult in lieu of facts.

It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the tank.

Jeff

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Beware hypocrites, who pray loudly on the street corners to
be seen of men. For, verily, I say they have their reward.


And here you are.

Jeff Thies wrote:

George W Bush deliberately blew a surplus, doubled the national debt
under his tenure and left unlimited red ink due to his unpaid for and
irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. For his first term he almost
averaged more jobs lost than gained. For both terms the net job gain
is less than 20K/month, that in a country that should be adding 150K
workers/month from population growth.

You can't add to the workforce if everybody is working! With the
unemployment rate, during the Bush years, of less than 5%, it was tough to
add new workers.


Governments run deficits in bad times and surpluses in good times. W
insisted on running a deficit regardless.

No, the U.S. government has almost always run a deficit.


And how did all that trickle down economics work out? 401K's
destroyed, housing destroyed, banks destroyed. And you approve of all
that?

That's the bad side. The good (e.g., 23 consecutive quarters of economic
growth) far outweighed the bad.



The W tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy, if anything they
put a lot of money in the hands of people that subsequently put much
of that money in the CDOs and other exotic financial instruments that
nearly brought this country to the brink of a depression. That is 6
trillion dollars not only thrown away but used to destroy the economy.

And the current administration continued those tax cuts. Some people just
cannot wrap their mind around the notion that we do not have a TAX PROBLEM,
we have a SPENDING PROBLEM.



It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the
tank.

The economy is booming?

Agreed that two years ago the economy was poor. Four years ago, however, the
economy was superb.

Then the Democrats took over Congress...

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:


George W Bush deliberately blew a surplus, doubled the national debt
under his tenure and left unlimited red ink due to his unpaid for and
irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. For his first term he almost
averaged more jobs lost than gained. For both terms the net job gain is
less than 20K/month, that in a country that should be adding 150K
workers/month from population growth.
The surplus was gone already by the time his first budget would have
passed. The surplus peaked in FY 2000 (ending 9-30-00) and was gone by
FY 2001 (ending 9-30-01 and passed before the election, let alone before
inauguration).



It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the tank.


Not always, this will be slowest job recovery in awhile. The MAIN
problem wasn't really the bank melt down (we have those every generation
or so), the real problem this time was that everybody (corporate, Feds,
states, even the individual) were tapped out all at once. Nobody had any
money to spend to get us through it.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On 3/10/2011 10:10 AM, HeyBub wrote:
Jeff Thies wrote:

George W Bush deliberately blew a surplus, doubled the national debt
under his tenure and left unlimited red ink due to his unpaid for and
irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. For his first term he almost
averaged more jobs lost than gained. For both terms the net job gain
is less than 20K/month, that in a country that should be adding 150K
workers/month from population growth.

You can't add to the workforce if everybody is working! With the
unemployment rate, during the Bush years, of less than 5%, it was tough to
add new workers.

The unemployment number is always deceptive. Many many college students
sat on the sidelines, their numbers were never reflected in that
particular unemployment number.



Governments run deficits in bad times and surpluses in good times. W
insisted on running a deficit regardless.

No, the U.S. government has almost always run a deficit.


And how did all that trickle down economics work out? 401K's
destroyed, housing destroyed, banks destroyed. And you approve of all
that?

That's the bad side. The good (e.g., 23 consecutive quarters of economic
growth) far outweighed the bad.

But all that evaporated as it was paper wealth. W called it the
ownership society, that was of course, before droves started losing
their homes. In fact people owned less of their home than in any time past.

Remember when the DOW hit 14K, and then collapsed?



The W tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy, if anything they
put a lot of money in the hands of people that subsequently put much
of that money in the CDOs and other exotic financial instruments that
nearly brought this country to the brink of a depression. That is 6
trillion dollars not only thrown away but used to destroy the economy.

And the current administration continued those tax cuts. Some people just
cannot wrap their mind around the notion that we do not have a TAX PROBLEM,
we have a SPENDING PROBLEM.

It's both. The tax cuts are and were irresponsible. Spending is
necessary in bad times and only the government can do that. Some 40% of
the stimulous was tax cuts and much of the rest of it has propped up
faltering state governments. You can hate any bureaucracy, government
included. The services are necessary, maybe not all of them are for you,
but everyone gets something out that they need. You can't take a farm
subsidy and then bitch about PBS, well of course it is done, but you see
what I mean.



It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the
tank.

The economy is booming?

Agreed that two years ago the economy was poor. Four years ago, however, the
economy was superb.

Not really. It was all puffed up from the housing "boom". Almost
everyone knew it was insane. It was unsustainable.

The amount of activity I see here is phenomenal, the material coming out
of HD each morning is astonishing. It may not be that everyone has
gotten over being tapped out, but they are spending. I see it everywhere.

Jeff

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:


The unemployment number is always deceptive. Many many college students
sat on the sidelines, their numbers were never reflected in that
particular unemployment number.
I can't accept this contention. While it is a rough number, it is a
consistently rough number and is good for a comparison over time. Sorta
like nobody really expects to get the EPA gas mileage, but the
comparisons are still good.

That's the bad side. The good (e.g., 23 consecutive quarters of economic
growth) far outweighed the bad.

But all that evaporated as it was paper wealth. W called it the
ownership society, that was of course, before droves started losing
their homes. In fact people owned less of their home than in any time past.
Largely related to a combination of things, some W's watch and
others way before. It is the simplistic one or two things caused it that
drives me nuts. This is the result of 10-15 years of policies by people
of parties.


Re

It's both. The tax cuts are and were irresponsible. Spending is
necessary in bad times and only the government can do that. Some 40% of
the stimulous was tax cuts and much of the rest of it has propped up
faltering state governments. You can hate any bureaucracy, government
included. The services are necessary, maybe not all of them are for you,
but everyone gets something out that they need. You can't take a farm
subsidy and then bitch about PBS, well of course it is done, but you see
what I mean.

Of course you can. Not all subsidies are created equal. I, personally,
am not too thrilled with either one, but each has to be taken on its own
merits. THAT is what is missing in the budget debate. Neither side has
really sat down and ask if this is even a proper function for
government. Because a person gets what they need is a pretty poor reason
to spend government money. We are living Alex's warning:
"A democracy can not exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury".

Alexander Tyler




It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the
tank.

The economy is booming?

Agreed that two years ago the economy was poor. Four years ago, however, the
economy was superb.

Not really. It was all puffed up from the housing "boom". Almost
everyone knew it was insane. It was unsustainable.

The amount of activity I see here is phenomenal, the material coming out
of HD each morning is astonishing. It may not be that everyone has
gotten over being tapped out, but they are spending. I see it everywhere.

Jeff

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...
I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

I have actually known people who had the attitude, "I'll **** up everything
so badly that no one will ever ask me to do anything." It must be
hereditary. I was married to one, and her brother was just like her.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com
www.heartsurgerysurvivalguide.com

On 3/10/2011 7:12 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jeff wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 12:47 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Hell, we have an excellent example of someone like that living at 1600
Pennsylvania Avenue. Actually two examples.

Let's see when he came into office:

600K jobs/month lost, month after month.
Financial sector in shambles
GE had to borrow money from Buffet
DOW fallen to 8,500
Iraq war raging

All of those in much better shape.

What you have now is a bunch of Tea Party loons worrying about what *may*
happen instead of what did happen. All while idolizing Sara Palin and
Michelle Bachman.

You can either let it go or we can run this thread out forever.

Jeff



You're dealing with people who read almost nothing except perhaps web sites
run by angry loons living in their mothers' basements. Here's an example:
Last week on a talk show, a competent reporter was explaining the justice
department's new policy regarding DOMA (Defense Of Marriage Act). She
explained it perfectly. Then, they opened the phone lines and the first
caller began whining.

Caller (with southern accent): It's real bad when a president decides to
ignore a law. I mean, where's it gonna stop?

Reporter: Sir, they're not ignoring the law. They're going to enforce the
law, but if its constitutionality is ever called into question before the
court, they won't defend it. If there are congressmen who want it defended
in court, they'll have to appoint a lawyer to represent the government. This
has happened many times in the past, very quietly, in almost every
administration.

Caller: Well, that ain't what I heard.

Reporter: I just read Goeffrey Holder's letter twice for the listeners.
Interpret it any way you like, but the meaning is absolutely clear.

Caller: I'm tellin' ya - I heard they won't enforce it.

Reporter: (Now sounding like she'd like to waterboard the guy to find out
where he "heard it" from) Sir, there will be a link to Holder's letter on
our web site. I'd suggest you read it.

Caller: CLICK

Dumb asses are so entertaining. ^_^

TDD

"Jeff Thies" wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 9:02 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Stormin wrote in message
...
I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus


So are people who top post.


Stormin has never properly posted. Note that the previous post always
appears below his sig where it is subsequently lost. Whether he can't
figure that out, or does it deliberately is unknown. Either way he has
never cared to correct it. I like him, but you are wasting your time
arguing facts or netiquette with Stormin.

Jeff

It is very important to him to have that sig of www.exmormon.org highly
visible. (not his real sig, just one that I inserted that is more relevant)

Never argue with an idiot. They will beat you up with experience every
time.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com
www.heartsurgerysurvivalguide.com

On 3/10/2011 8:48 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Jeff wrote in message
...
On 3/10/2011 9:02 AM, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Stormin wrote in message
...
I think anyone who belives the USA is "better off"
under O'bummer is qualified to be in the article
TDD posted.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus


So are people who top post.


Stormin has never properly posted. Note that the previous post always
appears below his sig where it is subsequently lost. Whether he can't
figure that out, or does it deliberately is unknown. Either way he has
never cared to correct it. I like him, but you are wasting your time
arguing facts or netiquette with Stormin.

Jeff


The religious badge is another issue. A friend of mine pointed out a passage
in the bible which warns against people who wear the badge, or wave their
religion in public places. I should've hung onto the quote. It's a good one.
Old Testament, if I recall correctly.



Stormy doesn't try to push his faith on you like some of my cousins who
are Evangelical Christians. I like to tease my cousins by holding my
fingers to my head like they were horns then hissing and letting out an
evil devil laugh. His sig is no worse than someone wearing a Cross pin
or necklace.

TDD

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a
sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

On 3/10/2011 10:50 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Jeff wrote:


The unemployment number is always deceptive. Many many college students
sat on the sidelines, their numbers were never reflected in that
particular unemployment number.
I can't accept this contention. While it is a rough number, it is a
consistently rough number and is good for a comparison over time. Sorta
like nobody really expects to get the EPA gas mileage, but the
comparisons are still good.

But what does it mean?:

"Discouraged workers" who have lost a job, but do not make an effort
to find a new job in a given week are not classified as unemployed or
even as in the labor force. Both possibilities mean that the announced
unemployment rate is not as definitive as it might sound.

http://www.econmodel.com/classic/terms/ur.htm

It is a number that is easy to banter around, even so, it was at 4.2% in
1/2001 and 7.8% (nearly double) and rising rapidly on 1/2009. In fact
although virtually no jobs were added between 1/2001 and 1/2005 the
unemployment number only went up only to 5.3%.

In fact there are many things that can move that number.

That's the bad side. The good (e.g., 23 consecutive quarters of economic
growth) far outweighed the bad.

But all that evaporated as it was paper wealth. W called it the
ownership society, that was of course, before droves started losing
their homes. In fact people owned less of their home than in any time past.
Largely related to a combination of things, some W's watch and
others way before. It is the simplistic one or two things caused it that
drives me nuts. This is the result of 10-15 years of policies by people
of parties.


Re

It's both. The tax cuts are and were irresponsible. Spending is
necessary in bad times and only the government can do that. Some 40% of
the stimulous was tax cuts and much of the rest of it has propped up
faltering state governments. You can hate any bureaucracy, government
included. The services are necessary, maybe not all of them are for you,
but everyone gets something out that they need. You can't take a farm
subsidy and then bitch about PBS, well of course it is done, but you see
what I mean.

Of course you can. Not all subsidies are created equal. I, personally,
am not too thrilled with either one, but each has to be taken on its own
merits. THAT is what is missing in the budget debate. Neither side has
really sat down and ask if this is even a proper function for
government.

The Republican side as I see it is always trying to starve the beast. In
fact completely broken government is often the result of that. It sure
was during Katrina and it also was when enforcement in the financial
sector was cut back.

I don't see that changing.

Because a person gets what they need is a pretty poor reason
to spend government money.

Look at what has been targeted for cuts. It's lunacy and yet it does
almost nothing to address the debt structurally. No one touches the
third rail.

We are living Alex's warning:
"A democracy can not exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury".

I'm all for cutting off all farm (~20B), ethanol (~7B) and oil (~4B)
subsidies.

Only a very few benefit from that and it's at the expense of the vast
majority.

Jeff

A. Baum wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:38:04 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me
to help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out
of a sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home
repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

**** off socky/Prinzip

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just shows that you know nothing A Baum! It was the stAUKers who showed me
how to use remailers, so now I can say ANYTHING I want, and you can't trace
it back to me.

And do you think the MPD is going to investigate me, when they're not sure
if these messages are coming from me? They'll tell the stAUKers that they're
not sure who is who, so they can't arrest me for anything! I COULD be this
prinzip guy, hell I could be anybody!

Thanks stAUKers! You just made me untouchable.

You LOSE!!!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!!

The Daring Dufas wrote in news:il9kgd$ehh$1
@news.eternal-september.org:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

Since my Red Green ID is filtered, I need to post this under another ID so
the website extracts it...

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:


The Republican side as I see it is always trying to starve the beast. In
fact completely broken government is often the result of that. It sure
was during Katrina and it also was when enforcement in the financial
sector was cut back.
Katrina has little or nothing to do with money. The major problem
with Katrina is that they followed the disaster plan to the letter. The
Dome was never supposed to a long-term shelter. The idea was that people
would ride out the storm and then immediately be parceled out to other
shelters. Nobody through years and years of disaster preparedness ever
got around to trying to figure out what might happen if the other
shelters weren't available. Ooops.
The other problem with Katrina is that none of the major participants
(Brownie, the Mayor or the Governor) should have been let outside to
play without adult supervision. So, when the original plan collapsed,
nobody was able to come up with a usable alternative plan until the
grown-ups (ie military) showed up. Then things stabilized relatively
quickly.
FEMA's mission statement specifically says that it's mission is
only to provide help and assistance. It is not now, nor has it ever,
been come in and run things. In fact since at the very least since the
early 80s, the plans have always been that the locals need to be able
hold things together for 72 hours on their own.


I'm all for cutting off all farm (~20B), ethanol (~7B) and oil (~4B)
subsidies.


I would have done away with Fed Hiway funding after the Interstate
system was done. Done away with most of the Fed taxes (kept maybe a 1%
or two for research into construction methods and safety, something that
everybody could use) and told the states they could raise what they
needed by using part or all of the Fed taxes we were killing off.
Education is also a function of the states. Again, the Feds might
have an interest in general research into methods of teaching but the
rest not so much.
I mean look how long people have been making fun of the Helium
stockpiles and nothing has been done.

--
"Even I realized that money was to politicians what the ecalyptus tree is to koala bears: food, water, shelter and something to crap on."
---PJ O'Rourke

On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:45:44 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:38:04 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he can
**** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home
repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

**** off socky/Prinzip

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just shows that you know nothing A Baum! It was the stAUKers who showed
me how to use remailers, so now I can say ANYTHING I want, and you can't
trace it back to me.

And do you think the MPD is going to investigate me, when they're not
sure if these messages are coming from me? They'll tell the stAUKers
that they're not sure who is who, so they can't arrest me for anything!
I COULD be this prinzip guy, hell I could be anybody!

Thanks stAUKers! You just made me untouchable.

You LOSE!!!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!!

It's a solid yelp of defeat when you have to forge another especially an
imbecile like Emmett.



--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse

"Emmett BADASS Gulley" wrote in message
...
A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a
sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!



People who live in tents are already smacked down.

"Emmett BADASS Gulley" wrote in message
...
A. Baum wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:38:04 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me
to help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out
of a sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home
repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

**** off socky/Prinzip

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just shows that you know nothing A Baum! It was the stAUKers who showed me
how to use remailers, so now I can say ANYTHING I want, and you can't
trace
it back to me.

And do you think the MPD is going to investigate me, when they're not sure
if these messages are coming from me? They'll tell the stAUKers that
they're
not sure who is who, so they can't arrest me for anything! I COULD be this
prinzip guy, hell I could be anybody!

Thanks stAUKers! You just made me untouchable.

You LOSE!!!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!!



This post saved to show Emutts confession. Yer screwed emo.

EEK!!! You make hissing noises! Call a priest!
(Oh, wait. Forgot. I am a priest. Nevermind.)

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"The Daring Dufas" wrote in
message ...

Stormy doesn't try to push his faith on you like some of my
cousins who
are Evangelical Christians. I like to tease my cousins by
holding my
fingers to my head like they were horns then hissing and
letting out an
evil devil laugh. His sig is no worse than someone wearing a
Cross pin
or necklace.

TDD

On 3/10/2011 2:59 PM, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In ,
Jeff wrote:


The Republican side as I see it is always trying to starve the beast. In
fact completely broken government is often the result of that. It sure
was during Katrina and it also was when enforcement in the financial
sector was cut back.
Katrina has little or nothing to do with money. The major problem
with Katrina is that they followed the disaster plan to the letter. The
Dome was never supposed to a long-term shelter. The idea was that people
would ride out the storm and then immediately be parceled out to other
shelters. Nobody through years and years of disaster preparedness ever
got around to trying to figure out what might happen if the other
shelters weren't available. Ooops.

FEMA was the second most respected agency by it's own workers before W.
W put in his crony and ran it into the ground. Regardless of whatever
plan they had. Regardless that the LA National Guard's high water
equipment was in Iraq (another genius move), the agency by Katrina time
was in disarray with a disgruntled staff that was leaving at every
opportunity. Broken, through and through.

Gotta run. Much to do today and tomorrow.

Regards,
Jeff

On 3/10/2011 3:40 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
EEK!!! You make hissing noises! Call a priest!
(Oh, wait. Forgot. I am a priest. Nevermind.)

Hey, so am I! Now, where's a virgin that needs sacrificing?

Jeff

On Mar 10, 3:31*pm, "Zac" wrote:
"Emmett BADASS Gulley" wrote in . ..

A. Baum wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:38:04 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me
to help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out
of a sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home
repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

**** off socky/Prinzip

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just shows that you know nothing A Baum! It was the stAUKers who showed me
how to use remailers, so now I can say ANYTHING I want, and you can't
trace
it back to me.

And do you think the MPD is going to investigate me, when they're not sure
if these messages are coming from me? They'll tell the stAUKers that
they're
not sure who is who, so they can't arrest me for anything! I COULD be this
prinzip guy, hell I could be anybody!

Thanks stAUKers! You just made me untouchable.

You LOSE!!!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!!

This post saved to show Emutts confession. Yer screwed emo.

you are going to believe a remailer is ME????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

yer a dumbass

"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
...

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me to
help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out of a sense
of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

The best thing would be to stop voting for them.

"Albätross" öm wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:29:42 -0800 (PST), Emmett BADASS Gulley
wrote:

On Mar 10, 3:31 pm, "Zac" wrote:
"Emmett BADASS Gulley" wrote in
. ..

A. Baum wrote:
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:38:04 +0000, Emmett BADASS Gulley wrote:

A. Baum wrote:
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:37:03 -0600, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I actually know a few people like this and all attempts by me
to help them have failed. I've tried to put them to work out
of a sense of compassion but I can no longer afford it. :-(

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4mvma5e

TDD

One person over in AUK named Emmett. If it can be ****ed up, he
can **** it up.

**** you, A Baum. Who said you could talk about me, anyway?

Besides, I live in a tent, so there's no way I can **** up a home
repair.

I WIN!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!
SMACKDOWN!!!!!

**** off socky/Prinzip

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Just shows that you know nothing A Baum! It was the stAUKers who
showed me
how to use remailers, so now I can say ANYTHING I want, and you can't
trace
it back to me.

And do you think the MPD is going to investigate me, when they're not
sure
if these messages are coming from me? They'll tell the stAUKers that
they're
not sure who is who, so they can't arrest me for anything! I COULD be
this
prinzip guy, hell I could be anybody!

Thanks stAUKers! You just made me untouchable.

You LOSE!!!!!

SMACKDOWN!!!!!!

This post saved to show Emutts confession. Yer screwed emo.

you are going to believe a remailer is ME????

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

yer a dumbass

Nice attempt at a defense but I doubt the cops would buy it.

He's posted many confessions right here in public. Poor emutt is going to
sink.

On 3/10/2011 8:54 AM, Jeff Thies wrote:
On 3/10/2011 8:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
And now, we have several more trillions of dollars of
national debt. Thanks to the Dumbocrats,

Insult in lieu of facts.

and orchestrated by
O'bother.

Another insult in lieu of facts.

George W Bush deliberately blew a surplus, doubled the national debt
under his tenure and left unlimited red ink due to his unpaid for and
irresponsible tax cuts for the rich. For his first term he almost
averaged more jobs lost than gained. For both terms the net job gain is
less than 20K/month, that in a country that should be adding 150K
workers/month from population growth.

Governments run deficits in bad times and surpluses in good times. W
insisted on running a deficit regardless.

And how did all that trickle down economics work out? 401K's destroyed,
housing destroyed, banks destroyed. And you approve of all that?

The W tax cuts did nothing to stimulate the economy, if anything they
put a lot of money in the hands of people that subsequently put much of
that money in the CDOs and other exotic financial instruments that
nearly brought this country to the brink of a depression. That is 6
trillion dollars not only thrown away but used to destroy the economy.

I've known people like this. The ones I've known have been
displaying either passive agressive, or dry alcoholic
behaviours.

Yet another insult in lieu of facts.

It'll take a while to recover the job market, it always does, but the
economy is booming. That under Obama. Two years ago, it was in the tank.

Jeff

Jeff, you strike me as an intelligent guy so I'd like your opinion on
something I came across about the present financial crisis actually
being due to an attack on The United States, basically economic
terrorism. It's not a conspiracy dreamed up by some guy sitting in
front of his computer in his underwear down in his mom's basement, it
came out of The Pentagon from a contractor. It makes some interesting
points and I believe there is some validity to the idea.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4zrkr2z

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4t27cs2

TDD