On 2/22/2011 6:46 PM, Evan wrote:
On Feb 21, 4:40 pm, Steve wrote:
On 2/21/2011 3:32 PM, Bob F wrote: Steve Barker wrote:
you knowingly bought a hose TWO years ago that has asbestos
siding?!!!!!! Don't tell us inspector didn't note that!

Lots of houses have asbestos siding. What's the problem with that? It doesn't
even require special treatment to remove

I couldn't say that's true where I live. In fact, I've been told otherwise by
someone who owns a house with that siding.

well they were wrong. There's literally scores of them in the town i'm
in, and the city inspector/codes guy says as long as i don't grind it
off, they could care less about disposal of it.

--
Steve Barker
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Well your LOCAL inspectors are flat out wrong and/or ignorant...

Disposal of asbestos containing materials is regulated by the
US Department of Environmental Protection... So don't take
the local yokel's word on that one...

Don't try to remove it yourself, as you are not licensed to
properly dispose of it and therefore you would have nowhere
to take such toxic waste... You need to read up on the
federal Clean Air Act and the Toxic Substances Control Act
which dictate the need to be licensed in order to remove
Asbestos and what protective procedures must be carried
out while removing it and how it must be packaged for
disposal...

Knowingly removing asbestos improperly is federal criminal
offense...

~~ Evan


LMAO! you need to get out more often. Non friable asbestos is no more
a hazard than brick.

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Steve Barker
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On Feb 23, 8:37*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/22/2011 6:46 PM, Evan wrote:



On Feb 21, 4:40 pm, Steve *wrote:
On 2/21/2011 3:32 PM, Bob F wrote: *Steve Barker wrote:
you knowingly bought a hose TWO years ago that has asbestos
siding?!!!!!! Don't tell us inspector didn't note that!

Lots of houses have asbestos siding. *What's the problem with that? It doesn't
even require special treatment to remove

I couldn't say that's true where I live. In fact, I've been told otherwise by
someone who owns a house with that siding.

well they were wrong. *There's literally scores of them in the town i'm
in, and the city inspector/codes guy says as long as i don't grind it
off, they could care less about disposal of it.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Well your LOCAL inspectors are flat out wrong and/or ignorant...

Disposal of asbestos containing materials is regulated by the
US Department of Environmental Protection... *So don't take
the local yokel's word on that one...

Don't try to remove it yourself, as you are not licensed to
properly dispose of it and therefore you would have nowhere
to take such toxic waste... *You need to read up on the
federal Clean Air Act and the Toxic Substances Control Act
which dictate the need to be licensed in order to remove
Asbestos and what protective procedures must be carried
out while removing it and how it must be packaged for
disposal...

Knowingly removing asbestos improperly is federal criminal
offense...

~~ Evan

LMAO! *you need to get out more often. *Non friable asbestos is no more
a hazard than brick.

--
Steve Barker
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OK... Keep saying that after you improperly remove it and you have
nodules in your lungs at your autopsy... Oh, you won't be around
to see who was correct at that point, will you...

Having asbestos containing materials in or on your home effects
its resale value and impacts what kind of work you can do to your
home without setting up containment when you do anything which
will penetrate, cut or otherwise disturb the siding...

That means that if i was your neighbor and saw you drilling the
outside wall of your house for something and saw ANY dust,
because there is asbestos in the siding and you can not prove
or certify in any way at all that you are NOT releasing asbestos
particles in doing your work, I could report you and you would
be in trouble under a variety of laws for not following proper
safety procedures in doing work which disturbs asbestos
containing materials...

It is quite clear that you think because you have an owner
occupied home that the rules which must be followed don't
apply to you... Well they do, the work area has to be wrapped
in plastic, everything has to be kept wet, then double bagged
in approved bags for hazardous asbestos waste disposal...

Since the proper items with which to remove asbestos aren't
available at the local HD or Lowe's I am very certain you wouldn't
have the foggiest idea of where to obtain them...

~~ Evan

On 2/23/2011 9:12 AM, Evan wrote:
On Feb 23, 8:37 am, Steve wrote:
On 2/22/2011 6:46 PM, Evan wrote:



On Feb 21, 4:40 pm, Steve wrote:
On 2/21/2011 3:32 PM, Bob F wrote: Steve Barker wrote:
you knowingly bought a hose TWO years ago that has asbestos
siding?!!!!!! Don't tell us inspector didn't note that!

Lots of houses have asbestos siding. What's the problem with that? It doesn't
even require special treatment to remove

I couldn't say that's true where I live. In fact, I've been told otherwise by
someone who owns a house with that siding.

well they were wrong. There's literally scores of them in the town i'm
in, and the city inspector/codes guy says as long as i don't grind it
off, they could care less about disposal of it.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Well your LOCAL inspectors are flat out wrong and/or ignorant...

Disposal of asbestos containing materials is regulated by the
US Department of Environmental Protection... So don't take
the local yokel's word on that one...

Don't try to remove it yourself, as you are not licensed to
properly dispose of it and therefore you would have nowhere
to take such toxic waste... You need to read up on the
federal Clean Air Act and the Toxic Substances Control Act
which dictate the need to be licensed in order to remove
Asbestos and what protective procedures must be carried
out while removing it and how it must be packaged for
disposal...

Knowingly removing asbestos improperly is federal criminal
offense...

~~ Evan

LMAO! you need to get out more often. Non friable asbestos is no more
a hazard than brick.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email


OK... Keep saying that after you improperly remove it and you have
nodules in your lungs at your autopsy... Oh, you won't be around
to see who was correct at that point, will you...

Having asbestos containing materials in or on your home effects
its resale value and impacts what kind of work you can do to your
home without setting up containment when you do anything which
will penetrate, cut or otherwise disturb the siding...

That means that if i was your neighbor and saw you drilling the
outside wall of your house for something and saw ANY dust,
because there is asbestos in the siding and you can not prove
or certify in any way at all that you are NOT releasing asbestos
particles in doing your work, I could report you and you would
be in trouble under a variety of laws for not following proper
safety procedures in doing work which disturbs asbestos
containing materials...

It is quite clear that you think because you have an owner
occupied home that the rules which must be followed don't
apply to you... Well they do, the work area has to be wrapped
in plastic, everything has to be kept wet, then double bagged
in approved bags for hazardous asbestos waste disposal...

Since the proper items with which to remove asbestos aren't
available at the local HD or Lowe's I am very certain you wouldn't
have the foggiest idea of where to obtain them...

~~ Evan

Oh IF I die, there won't be an autopsy. And after the hundreds if not
thousands of drum brake assemblies i blew out with compressed air in the
70's and 80's, i'm not really worried at 52 years of age that i'm gonna
get something from a damn piece of siding. LMAO!

--
Steve Barker
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Steve Barker wrote:
Oh IF I die, there won't be an autopsy. And after the hundreds if not
thousands of drum brake assemblies i blew out with compressed air in
the 70's and 80's, i'm not really worried at 52 years of age that i'm
gonna get something from a damn piece of siding. LMAO!

OK Superman. You're invulnerable. Some of the rest of us are not, or might
choose not to ignore the law. Admittedly, asbestos siding is way less a problem
than other forms of the material, but ignoring the law could result in stop work
orders followed be significant legal and financial problems.

On Feb 24, 12:19*pm, "Bob F" wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
Oh IF I die, there won't be an autopsy. *And after the hundreds if not
thousands of drum brake assemblies i blew out with compressed air in
the 70's and 80's, i'm not really worried at 52 years of age that i'm
gonna get something from a damn piece of siding. *LMAO!

OK Superman. You're invulnerable. Some of the rest of us are not, or might
choose not to ignore the law. Admittedly, asbestos siding is way less a problem
than other forms of the material, but ignoring the law could result in stop work
orders followed be significant legal and financial problems.

today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

On 2/24/2011 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Feb 24, 12:19 pm, "Bob wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
Oh IF I die, there won't be an autopsy. And after the hundreds if not
thousands of drum brake assemblies i blew out with compressed air in
the 70's and 80's, i'm not really worried at 52 years of age that i'm
gonna get something from a damn piece of siding. LMAO!

OK Superman. You're invulnerable. Some of the rest of us are not, or might
choose not to ignore the law. Admittedly, asbestos siding is way less a problem
than other forms of the material, but ignoring the law could result in stop work
orders followed be significant legal and financial problems.

today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker
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today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

On 2/25/2011 8:08 AM, wrote:
today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Yeah, i've been wondering about THAT new rule. It's a joke. It's about
as enforceable as no texting while driving.

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Steve Barker
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On Feb 25, 11:50*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/25/2011 8:08 AM, wrote:

today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Yeah, i've been wondering about THAT new rule. *It's a joke. *It's about
as enforceable as no texting while driving.

--
Steve Barker
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well if a house painter gets caught the fines are horendous.

50 grand or some such?? unreal in any case

i would assume asbestos has similiar laws, it certinally does in
schools and public buildings.

On Feb 25, 6:08*am, " wrote:
today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Curious. When was lead based paint outlawed? Any house built prior
to that _will_ have it.

Yes, as for asbestos siding, it is encapsulated and can be disposed of
normally unless you beat it to pieces while removing it. No need to
do that as it comes off easily.

Harry K

On Feb 25, 12:48*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Feb 25, 6:08*am, " wrote:

today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Curious. *When was lead based paint outlawed? *Any house built prior
to that _will_ have it.

Yes, as for asbestos siding, it is encapsulated and can be disposed of
normally unless you beat it to pieces while removing it. *No need to
do that as it comes off easily.

Harry K

well you have to take a class and pass a test to be certified, for
safe operations....

On 2/25/2011 11:48 AM, Harry K wrote:
On Feb 25, 6:08 am, wrote:
today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Curious. When was lead based paint outlawed? Any house built prior
to that _will_ have it.

Yes, as for asbestos siding, it is encapsulated and can be disposed of
normally unless you beat it to pieces while removing it. No need to
do that as it comes off easily.

Harry K


1978. as a landlord, i must present each new tenant with a pamphlet
explaining not to chew on the woodwork. And have them sign a form that
they have received the pamphlet.

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Steve Barker
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On Feb 25, 6:58*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/25/2011 11:48 AM, Harry K wrote:





On Feb 25, 6:08 am, *wrote:
today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

--
Steve Barker

anyone can sue for anything. just the hassle factor could become a
real PIA.

and heck theres a fed law anyone working with lead based paint must be
certified. certinally such a old home has lead based paint too..

Curious. *When was lead based paint outlawed? *Any house built prior
to that _will_ have it.

Yes, as for asbestos siding, it is encapsulated and can be disposed of
normally unless you beat it to pieces while removing it. *No need to
do that as it comes off easily.

Harry K

1978. *as a landlord, i must present each new tenant with a pamphlet
explaining not to chew on the woodwork. *And have them sign a form that
they have received the pamphlet.

--
Steve Barker
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There was a case a few years ago where a toddler died from chewing the
paint. Landlord had a signed form...unfortunately they proved that he
had forged the signature...

Harry K

Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/24/2011 3:18 PM, wrote:
On Feb 24, 12:19 pm, "Bob wrote:
Steve Barker wrote:
Oh IF I die, there won't be an autopsy. And after the hundreds if
not thousands of drum brake assemblies i blew out with compressed
air in the 70's and 80's, i'm not really worried at 52 years of
age that i'm gonna get something from a damn piece of siding. LMAO!

OK Superman. You're invulnerable. Some of the rest of us are not,
or might choose not to ignore the law. Admittedly, asbestos siding
is way less a problem than other forms of the material, but
ignoring the law could result in stop work orders followed be
significant legal and financial problems.

today neighbors may sue and require a pro area clean up.

Not when the city says it's ok to remove and dispose of.

Which a whole lot of cities don't. Or states.