I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it would
be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum on top of
them? Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement compound.

On Jan 31, 2:02*pm, woods wrote:
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it would
be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum on top of
them? *Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement compound.

What did the pro's say when you called them?

jim wrote:
On Jan 31, 2:02 pm, woods wrote:
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it
would be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum
on top of them? Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement
compound.

What did the pro's say when you called them?

Eek!

Don't call the pros!

If they confirm you actually HAVE asbestos, you may face thousands of
dollars in expense to have a certified, licensed, approved, and circumcised
asbestos abatement removal company render your home indistinguishable from
major storm damage.

You neighbors will shun you and your kids after noticing moon-suits parading
around.

Further, you will forever have to disclose to any potential buyer that
you're trying to sell you home before the rest of your family dies from
cancer-causing compounds.

Said the poet: "Ignorance is bliss."

I think you're supposed to call the guys with moon suits,
yellow caution tape, and cost a big pile of money? It's for
the children. Asbestos abatement. It's not just a good idea.
It's the law.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"woods" wrote in message
...
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder
if it would
be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum
on top of
them? Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement
compound.

On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it would
be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum on top of
them? Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement compound.

Lordy, what a tempest in a teapot. Asbestos floor tile, unless sanded or
run through a chipper, is not 'friable'. If the remaining tiles are
solid, fill the holes and cover. If the remaining tiles are loose, pop
them off, double-bag in opaque bags so a nosy neighbor or trash man
doesn't drop a dime on you, and move on. Scrape, shovel, and shut up.
Disturbing intact asbestos causes more exposure than leaving it in place
would. All those grade schools they spent a bazillion dollars 'abating'
the asbestos in? A good coat of a flexible paint would have provided as
much safety, in most cases, at a fraction of the cost. General public
thinks asbestos is like radioactive waste, and sharks are taking
advantage of that.

--
aem sends....

Once every few years. A wise man writes great
words of counsell, on this message board. This
is such a moment.

After the duly circumcised abatement specialists
finish, you'll notice the penis falls off any male who
lives in the home, for the next thirty years. It's also
called the "umbili-penile effect". Just shrivels and
falls off after a while. We learned about this in
college. Sadly, it's a recessive trait. Men with UPE
don't reproduce.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"HeyBub"
wrote in message
...


What did the pro's say when you called them?

Eek!

Don't call the pros!

If they confirm you actually HAVE asbestos,
you may face thousands of dollars in expense
to have a certified, licensed, approved, and
circumcised asbestos abatement removal
company render your home indistinguishable
from major storm damage.

You neighbors will shun you and your kids
after noticing moon-suits parading around.

Further, you will forever have to disclose to
any potential buyer that you're trying to sell
you home before the rest of your family dies
from cancer-causing compounds.

Said the poet: "Ignorance is bliss."

aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it
would be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum
on top of them? Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement
compound.

Lordy, what a tempest in a teapot. Asbestos floor tile, unless sanded
or run through a chipper, is not 'friable'. If the remaining tiles
are solid, fill the holes and cover. If the remaining tiles are
loose, pop them off, double-bag in opaque bags so a nosy neighbor or
trash man doesn't drop a dime on you, and move on. Scrape, shovel,
and shut up. Disturbing intact asbestos causes more exposure than
leaving it in place would. All those grade schools they spent a
bazillion dollars 'abating' the asbestos in? A good coat of a
flexible paint would have provided as much safety, in most cases, at
a fraction of the cost. General public thinks asbestos is like
radioactive waste, and sharks are taking advantage of that.

What's this "friable" nonsense! It's ASBESTOS for cryin' out loud! Murder,
dead, kill! Its mere presence will suck the precious bodily fluids right out
of you.

Think of the children!

On Jan 31, 9:48*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
I have the 9x9" asbestos tile in my basement, and I wonder if it
would be ok to just remove the loose tiles, and then glue linoleum
on top of them? *Also smooth out the removed tiles with floor cement
compound.

Lordy, what a tempest in a teapot. Asbestos floor tile, unless sanded
or run through a chipper, is not 'friable'. *If the remaining tiles
are solid, fill the holes and cover. If the remaining tiles are
loose, pop them off, double-bag in opaque bags so a nosy neighbor or
trash man doesn't drop a dime on you, and move on. Scrape, shovel,
and shut up. Disturbing intact asbestos causes more exposure than
leaving it in place would. All those grade schools they spent a
bazillion dollars 'abating' the asbestos in? A good coat of a
flexible paint would have provided as much safety, in most cases, at
a fraction of the cost. General public thinks asbestos is like
radioactive waste, and sharks are taking advantage of that.

What's this "friable" nonsense! It's ASBESTOS for cryin' out loud! Murder,
dead, kill! Its mere presence will suck the precious bodily fluids right out
of you.

Think of the children!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

LOL. This question must have been asked hundreds of times here
now. Here's my two cents:

Google is your friend. It won't be hard to find advice from various
sources
on how to deal with floor tile containing asbestos. In paricular, if
you
want to follow the letter of the law, I'd look for guidelines for your
state
and/or municipality. In general, if the tiles
are intact and you aren't sanding them, sawing them, etc, they can
safely
be removed by a reasonable homeowner. If you're unreasonable, ie
scare to death of asbestos and will live forever in fear, then maybe
it's
worth it to hire a professional removal company.

The other issue here is the dondition of the remaining tiles. As
some
others have pointed out, if the remaining tiles are indeed firmly in
place, then I would not fill in the spaces of the loose ones. I'd
glue
the loose ones back down, which will be far easier. If you try to
fill in
the missing ones, it would seem to me that you're going to have to
then level it off somehow, which could lead to sanding, which aint a
good idea.....see above.

But I would tend to agree with the poster who said that if some of
them
are loose, the others may not be far behind. What happens to your
new floor when that happens later? Another alternative might be to
cover the whole thing first with some appropriate sheet material,
fastening it to the concrete with a Hilti gun, etc. Just a
thought....

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

On Feb 1, 9:55*am, wrote:

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. *Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

This is of course the major potential pitfall. Doing stuff
incorrectly, and/or conveniently not mentioning it at the time of
sale, could have serious financial consequences down the road - even
well after the house is sold. Chalk it up to living in our age.

R

On 2/1/2011 9:55 AM, wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:48 pm, wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
(snip)

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

Right up front, IANAL. While most of us on here know MOST 9x9 tiles
contain asbestos tiles, absent a lab test of the tiles in a particular
basement, do we KNOW those tiles are asbestos-laden? Anybody know what
the case law is? If homeowner isn't SURE, does he have plausible
deniability and legal protection?

--
aem sends...

aemeijers wrote:
On 2/1/2011 9:55 AM, wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:48 pm, wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
(snip)

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more
potential issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts
bitching....

Right up front, IANAL. While most of us on here know MOST 9x9 tiles
contain asbestos tiles, absent a lab test of the tiles in a particular
basement, do we KNOW those tiles are asbestos-laden? Anybody know what
the case law is? If homeowner isn't SURE, does he have plausible
deniability and legal protection?

Yes. While everyone is familiar with the adage, "Ignorance of the law is no
excuse," there is a complementary rule, "Ignorance of the facts IS an
excuse."

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:28:23 -0500, aemeijers
wrote:

On 2/1/2011 9:55 AM, wrote:
On Jan 31, 9:48 pm, wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
(snip)

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

Right up front, IANAL. While most of us on here know MOST 9x9 tiles
contain asbestos tiles, absent a lab test of the tiles in a particular
basement, do we KNOW those tiles are asbestos-laden? Anybody know what
the case law is? If homeowner isn't SURE, does he have plausible
deniability and legal protection?
But judge, I was SURE they were asphault tiles.

On Feb 1, 7:28*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/1/2011 9:55 AM, wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:48 pm, *wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
(snip)

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. *Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

Right up front, IANAL. While most of us on here know MOST 9x9 tiles
contain asbestos tiles, absent a lab test of the tiles in a particular
basement, do we KNOW those tiles are asbestos-laden? Anybody know what
the case law is? If homeowner isn't SURE, does he have plausible
deniability and legal protection?

--
aem sends...

That's a good point. I'm not even sure it's true that most tiles that
are still installed today contain
asbestos. It was widely used long ago, but that use discontinued
decades ago and presumably a lot of them have been replaced.
And if you don't know yours have it, then I would think in many cases
you could honestly answer a real estate disclosure without raising
any concerns.

Which is why it's a good idea to take a look at the specific
disclosure
laws for the state in question. Some states like NJ, have a form
with a list of specific questions that have to be answered. Ours
is particulalry stupid and a high school student could design a
better one. Among the stupid questions: Has there ever been
repairs made to the roof? If so, then it wants an explanation.
WTF? A more reasonable question might be "Do you know of
any leaks and have any repairs been made to the roof in the last
two years? I guess we need a maintenance log, like for an
aircraft now for our homes.

"Yes, I replaced one missing shingle after the northeaster of 92."

wrote:

Which is why it's a good idea to take a look at the specific
disclosure
laws for the state in question. Some states like NJ, have a form
with a list of specific questions that have to be answered. Ours
is particulalry stupid and a high school student could design a
better one. Among the stupid questions: Has there ever been
repairs made to the roof? If so, then it wants an explanation.
WTF? A more reasonable question might be "Do you know of
any leaks and have any repairs been made to the roof in the last
two years?

Not only is the question goofey, but (if you quoted it correctly) is ghastly
grammar.

It should read: "HAVE there ever been..."

Lawrence J. Peter once said: "I have been studying government, man and boy,
for over forty years. I have yet to discover whether we are being led by
well-meaning fools, or by really intelligent people who are just putting us
on."

On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 07:28:33 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 1, 7:28*pm, aemeijers wrote:
On 2/1/2011 9:55 AM, wrote:

On Jan 31, 9:48 pm, *wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
On 1/31/2011 12:02 PM, woods wrote:
(snip)

But before doing that, or covering it in any way, I'd also consider
the
state laws on disclosure for real estate sales. *Most have them now
and they typically ask if the house is known to contain asbestos.
While nothing says you have to remove it, it's just one more potential
issue to deal with if the buyer willing to buy it starts bitching....

Right up front, IANAL. While most of us on here know MOST 9x9 tiles
contain asbestos tiles, absent a lab test of the tiles in a particular
basement, do we KNOW those tiles are asbestos-laden? Anybody know what
the case law is? If homeowner isn't SURE, does he have plausible
deniability and legal protection?

--
aem sends...

That's a good point. I'm not even sure it's true that most tiles that
are still installed today contain
asbestos. It was widely used long ago, but that use discontinued
decades ago and presumably a lot of them have been replaced.
And if you don't know yours have it, then I would think in many cases
you could honestly answer a real estate disclosure without raising
any concerns.

Which is why it's a good idea to take a look at the specific
disclosure
laws for the state in question. Some states like NJ, have a form
with a list of specific questions that have to be answered. Ours
is particulalry stupid and a high school student could design a
better one. Among the stupid questions: Has there ever been
repairs made to the roof? If so, then it wants an explanation.
WTF? A more reasonable question might be "Do you know of
any leaks and have any repairs been made to the roof in the last
two years? I guess we need a maintenance log, like for an
aircraft now for our homes.

"Yes, I replaced one missing shingle after the northeaster of 92."

We had to fill out a similar form when we sold our house in VT. "Yes, the
roof was replaced in ...". No problem. Look at it as protection. If you
list it there they can't come back later and say there was a leak. "...well,
yeah!"