Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

On Jan 29, 12:53*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. *Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. *I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. *They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. *Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. *$60/hour weekdays. *And I believe that
is with TWO men! *They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. *I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.




--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

LSMFT wrote:

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

My well guy said to expect 10 years, if you are lucky 20 years.

On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.



I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.


I have water again! Turns out it was down 460'. They installed a
Goulds 10LS15422 which is 10GPM 1.5HP not sure what else that means but
I think it's all Stainless Steel.

This place shows it with a $1176 price tag!

http://www.2mco.com/catalog/2m/goulds/ls.php

I'm sure there are cheaper places. Mine cost $825. Also replaced a
brass bushing, 1 check valve, 8 galvanized couplers, cable gaurds.
Total was $1245.52 about what I expected.

I didn't realize what was happening, but lately when running the hose,
(the outside spigot is large and is fed by a 1" main) after the pump
kicked on the pressure was still dropping until the tank bladder
bottomed out, then it had less flow. When the new pump kicks in the
flow from the hose instantly increases.

The old pump was about 13 years old and was a Myers Rustler. The
"Rustler" series is Myers cheaper line of pumps.

On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.



I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.

On Jan 29, 6:13*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available..

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. *Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe *800 to 1200 feet? *I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! *Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

Tony Miklos wrote:

On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

I have water again! Turns out it was down 460'. They installed a
Goulds 10LS15422 which is 10GPM 1.5HP not sure what else that means but
I think it's all Stainless Steel.

Probably 10 years ago I had to replace the well pump at my mother's
house, in winter of course. I replaced it with an all stainless Gould
also, I believe a 1/2HP version which was about $400 at my favorite
supply house. A stainless adapter nipple to go to the ABS down pipe, a
new well cap and a submersible splice kit rounded it out for about $500
total. This well is under 100', so it was easy enough to pull the pump
by myself. The previous pump lasted around 25 years or so, hopefully
this nice stainless one will be the same.

On Jan 29, 6:53*pm, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. *Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. *I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. *They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. *Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. *$60/hour weekdays. *And I believe that
is with TWO men! *They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. *I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and install
it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under the
driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is no
reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot valve
in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75 an hour
to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.
Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?

--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

?
"LSMFT" wrote

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and install
it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under the
driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is no
reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot valve
in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75 an hour
to bring up a pump and replace it.

Foot valve not at the foot? How is the pump going to prime?

LSMFT wrote:

hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and install
it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under the
driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is no
reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot valve
in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75 an hour
to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.
Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?

The basement located jet pumps aren't very popular these days, just for
some relatively shallow wells. Submersible pumps are preferred in most
cases. With a submersible pump you only need one down pipe in the well,
they are silent since the pump is 100'+ underground, and they don't have
priming of cavitation issues generally. The motors are also liquid
cooled, so they tend to be higher performance as well.

LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it
to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even
after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it
takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and
wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this
small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe
that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the
week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough
water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so
it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to
expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if
available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to
run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has
problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and install
it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under the
driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is no
reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot valve
in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75 an hour
to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.


Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?


One advantage of a pump at the bottom is that it works. If a pump at the
top puts a perfect vacuum on the pipe down the well you can only get the
water to lift 32 feet - a little sort of the 400 ft required. You can
use a jet pump, with 2 pipes down the well and the jet at the bottom.
You can put the pump at the bottom with a 400 foot shaft to a motor on
the top. Or you can use a submersible pump that pumps the water 400 feet
up from the bottom.

--
bud--

On 1/29/2011 11:23 PM, hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

Yes, sort of. The 2nd man was about an hour late. The bill shows 3
hours labor at $75/hour, total labor $225. There was actually a total
of almost 6 man hours, not counting the time to go back to the shop and
get a different pump then what they brought.

On 1/30/2011 5:01 AM, harry wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:53 pm, Tony wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

There are two ways of suspending submersible pumps.
On a rigid steel pipe. These are a problem to "uninstall"
On a stainless steel wire rope, with a flexible plastic pipe.
These can be hauled out with a vehicle with a tow hitch. A gadget with
a pulley wheel is needed at the well head. You could probably make
one up.

Here is a third way. Use 20' sections of schedule 80 PVC.

On Jan 30, 10:00*am, Tony Miklos wrote:
On 1/29/2011 11:23 PM, hr(bob) wrote:





On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony *wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:

On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. *Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe *800 to 1200 feet? *I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! *Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

Yes, sort of. *The 2nd man was about an hour late. *The bill shows 3
hours labor at $75/hour, total labor $225. *There was actually a total
of almost 6 man hours, not counting the time to go back to the shop and
get a different pump then what they brought.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a great company to recommend to others.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
?
"LSMFT" wrote

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and
install it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under
the driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is
no reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot
valve in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75
an hour to bring up a pump and replace it.

Foot valve not at the foot? How is the pump going to prime?

Priming is no problem, it's holding the prime which is what a one way
valve does. Otherwise you'd have to prime it every time it starts if air
leaked in and let the water fall back down the well.

--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.
Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.
Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm
So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.
I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.
Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.
For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.
As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and install
it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under the
driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is no
reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot valve
in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75 an hour
to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.
Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?

Yep. You will pull a vacuum when de distance becomes greater
than 10 meters(~12 yards).
Or you need a 400 feet pump piston going up/down.

bud-- wrote:
LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it
to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even
after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it
takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and
wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this
small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I
believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the
week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much
current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough
water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so
it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to
expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed
work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if
available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough
to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has
problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and
install it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under
the driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is
no reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot
valve in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75
an hour to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.


Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?


One advantage of a pump at the bottom is that it works. If a pump at the
top puts a perfect vacuum on the pipe down the well you can only get the
water to lift 32 feet - a little sort of the 400 ft required. You can
use a jet pump, with 2 pipes down the well and the jet at the bottom.
You can put the pump at the bottom with a 400 foot shaft to a motor on
the top. Or you can use a submersible pump that pumps the water 400 feet
up from the bottom.

You can lift water more than 32 feet once the pump is primed and all the
air is out of the pipe.

--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

LSMFT wrote:
bud-- wrote:
LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it
to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even
after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it
takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and
wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this
small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I
believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the
week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much
current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough
water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so
it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to
expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed
work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7
years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if
available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and
observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough
to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has
problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and
install it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under
the driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is
no reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot
valve in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75
an hour to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.


Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of a
well with 400 feet of wire to run it?


One advantage of a pump at the bottom is that it works. If a pump at the
top puts a perfect vacuum on the pipe down the well you can only get the
water to lift 32 feet - a little sort of the 400 ft required. You can
use a jet pump, with 2 pipes down the well and the jet at the bottom.
You can put the pump at the bottom with a 400 foot shaft to a motor on
the top. Or you can use a submersible pump that pumps the water 400 feet
up from the bottom.

You can lift water more than 32 feet once the pump is primed and all the
air is out of the pipe.

Ignore me.

--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

LSMFT wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote:
?
"LSMFT" wrote

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it went
bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump and
install it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was under
the driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times. There is
no reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot
valve in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at $75
an hour to bring up a pump and replace it.

Foot valve not at the foot? How is the pump going to prime?

Priming is no problem, it's holding the prime which is what a one way
valve does. Otherwise you'd have to prime it every time it starts if air
leaked in and let the water fall back down the well.

Ignore me, I just got re-educated.

--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 14:26:52 -0700, Robert Neville wrote:

LSMFT wrote:

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

My well guy said to expect 10 years, if you are lucky 20 years.

I'm lucky in having a surface-mounted jet pump, I suppose. Motor was
manufactured in 1977 - not sure if the pump is as old, but I know the
well was put in sometime around 1985 (may have been '86) so I assume it's
got a fair few hours on the clock, too.

I really should to add some lube to the bearings (no idea when it was
last done; we've only been here three years) but the wick's missing from
the little oil filler at the motor's tail end - anyone know if I can just
drop a couple of drops of oil down the hole and call it good? It's not
obvious how to lube the front bearing of the motor, either - there's no
obvious oiling point on the motor itself, but there is a tiny brass screw
on the attached pump casing - perhaps this hides an oil passage down to
the bearing (or alternatively maybe I'll remove it and get water shooting
into my face ;-)

cheers

Jules

On 1/30/2011 12:56 PM, hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 30, 10:00 am, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 11:23 PM, hr(bob) wrote:





On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:

On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much current
and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has needed work
but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement lasted about 7 years
and its only been little over 3 years til this incident. Also during
time period, I had to replace pressure tank twice. In spite of these
costs, well has probably been cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and observation
of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all fixed
now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me and I have
keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2 persons
total for the $75?

Yes, sort of. The 2nd man was about an hour late. The bill shows 3
hours labor at $75/hour, total labor $225. There was actually a total
of almost 6 man hours, not counting the time to go back to the shop and
get a different pump then what they brought.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's a great company to recommend to others.

I do recommend them whenever I can. I had them out here about 4 years
ago when the circuit breaker would intermittently trip. I looked down
the well at night and saw really cool sparks and wild sounds! They
pulled about another 60 feet past the static level and repaired 3
sections of wire where at sometime lightning hit it and fried the
insulation. They may have changed a fitting or two, and also added
plastic spacers that center the pipe and keep the wire from rubbing
along the side of the well, none had been installed from new. I think
it cost me about $225. I wouldn't even think of doing it myself at that
price.

bud-- wrote:
LSMFT wrote:
hr(bob) wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:13 pm, Tony wrote:
On 1/29/2011 6:36 PM, Frank wrote:





On 1/29/2011 4:16 PM, LSMFT wrote:
Frank wrote:
On 1/29/2011 1:53 PM, Tony Miklos wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the
water stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've
troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even
after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it
takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and
wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like
this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I
believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during
the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for
$75/hour.

Mine went out a few weeks ago. Motor going bad, drew too much
current and would shut off if high demand. Fortunately I could
get enough water
to see through weekend. Pump and motor warranty were separate so
it did
not cost an arm and a leg - just an arm

So how many years did it last to just give me an idea how long to
expect
mine to last.

I've been here 35 years and this is the third time well has
needed work but, original pump lasted ~ 25 years, replacement
lasted about 7 years and its only been little over 3 years til
this incident. Also during time period, I had to replace pressure
tank twice. In spite of these costs, well has probably been
cheaper than municipal water if available.

Other poster mentioned 10 years and from my experience and
observation of neighbors, I'd say, that's about right.

For op, our development on one acre lots, has houses close enough
to run
hose from outdoor faucet to outdoor faucet for water when well has
problem.

As a kid we did that for our neighbor once. Just guessing at the
distance here... maybe 800 to 1200 feet? I'm sure I'd get good
pressure because they are about 100' above me! Anyway, it's all
fixed now, about 18 hours down time isn't bad since it's just me
and I have keys to my girlfriends house if I needed to finish my
shower.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Did they really only charge $75 per hour for their time, and 2
persons total for the $75?

My parents had a deep well with the pump in the basement. When it
went bad my father would go to the hardware store, buy a new pump
and install it himself. Although his foot valve (one way valve) was
under the driveway and had to have that replace a couple of times.
There is no reason not to have the one way valve in the basement too.
When mine goes bad I'm changing it over to have the pump and foot
valve in the basement. That way I don't have to hire two people at
$75 an hour to bring up a pump and replace it.
Technology is supposed to make your life easier, not more difficult.


Can anybody think of an advantage of putting a pump in the bottom of
a well with 400 feet of wire to run it?


One advantage of a pump at the bottom is that it works. If a pump at
the top puts a perfect vacuum on the pipe down the well you can only
get the water to lift 32 feet - a little sort of the 400 ft required.
You can use a jet pump, with 2 pipes down the well and the jet at the
bottom. You can put the pump at the bottom with a 400 foot shaft to a
motor on the top. Or you can use a submersible pump that pumps the
water 400 feet up from the bottom.

Unless the pump at the top is a jet pump operating a jet at the bottom. Then it
can get water from way below 32 feet.

harry wrote:
On Jan 29, 6:53 pm, Tony wrote:
Last night as soon as I was all soaped up in the shower the water
stopped. Not really asking any questions, I've troubleshooted it to the
pump, power going down and I hear a hum but no water, not even after it
sat turned off for 8 hours. I think it's about 700' down so it takes a
small crane to pull it. They are coming out on a Saturday and wanted to
remind me that the rate is higher on Saturdays. Damn I like this small
company... $75/hour on weekends. $60/hour weekdays. And I believe that
is with TWO men! They were out here 4 or so years ago during the week
fixing some lightning fried wires at $60/hour with 2 men.

Wish me luck. I guess I'm already lucky with 2 skilled men for $75/hour.

There are two ways of suspending submersible pumps.
On a rigid steel pipe. These are a problem to "uninstall"
On a stainless steel wire rope, with a flexible plastic pipe.
These can be hauled out with a vehicle with a tow hitch. A gadget with
a pulley wheel is needed at the well head. You could probably make
one up.

I saw a rig that was motor driven two tires rotating with the well pipe
between them pulling it all out. Somebody else was walking the slack
across the lot. One similar to this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB_jzeU1Xgw



--
LSMFT

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.