OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub?

Generally the tile is stopped short of the tub, and the tile stops short of
the toilet flange (the tile runs underneath the toilet).

obviously i dont want to life either...

I have no idea what that means.

Jon

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

The tub you just butt up to.

Whether this is vinyl or ceramic will determine the details that go with the
above.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit http://www.househomerepair.com

On 1/8/2011 5:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

Yes against tub, no, no, a thousand times no, against base of toilet.
You never want toilet sitting in a sealed pocket. If and when the wax
ring leaks, or bathroom floor floods for other reasons, the water will
leak down into floor and rot it. (No caulk job stays perfect forever.)
Pulling and resetting a toilet is easy. And if you caulk around base of
toilet, don't go all the way around- leave a couple inches in back open,
so water has a way to get out where you will notice it.

--
aem sends...

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:13:25 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub?

Generally the tile is stopped short of the tub, and the tile stops short of
the toilet flange (the tile runs underneath the toilet).

unfortunately the toilet is already in place

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

yeah had a feeling this would be the case. not too happy with trying
to pull the toilet. messy job, etc.

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:43:26 -0500, aemeijers
wrote:

On 1/8/2011 5:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

Yes against tub, no, no, a thousand times no, against base of toilet.
You never want toilet sitting in a sealed pocket. If and when the wax
ring leaks, or bathroom floor floods for other reasons, the water will
leak down into floor and rot it. (No caulk job stays perfect forever.)
Pulling and resetting a toilet is easy. And if you caulk around base of
toilet, don't go all the way around- leave a couple inches in back open,
so water has a way to get out where you will notice it.

i hate doing toilets...pain the ass, so to speak

bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:13:25 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub?

Generally the tile is stopped short of the tub, and the tile stops
short of the toilet flange (the tile runs underneath the toilet).

unfortunately the toilet is already in place

Removing it is no big deal.

bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i
dont want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base
of the tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

yeah had a feeling this would be the case. not too happy with trying
to pull the toilet. messy job, etc.

Turn off, and disconnect the water. Flush it with the water off to clear most of
the water. Unbolt it and lift it out. Or do it poorly.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

yeah had a feeling this would be the case. not too happy with trying
to pull the toilet. messy job, etc.

-----------

Not as messy as cleaning up after a tile job.

Unless the water shut off valve is stuck or something, you only ever need a
couple of raggy towels to dry up and a new wax or foam seal when you remount
the toilet...

Bob F wrote:
bpuharic wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:13:25 -0800, "Jon Danniken"
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub?
Generally the tile is stopped short of the tub, and the tile stops
short of the toilet flange (the tile runs underneath the toilet).
unfortunately the toilet is already in place

Removing it is no big deal.


Its a piece of ****......

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
.. .
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

looks like the previous owner left about 1/4" under the toilet...dont
know if this is enough to slide tile under it...

..

looks like the previous owner left about 1/4" under the toilet...dont
know if this is enough to slide tile under it...

pull toilet or get plumber to do it, or just admit your going to have
a half ass job. do you want to HAVE to do this again?

Did you use cement board? as floor underlayment?

do the job right, do it once and relax you wouldnt have to do it
again......

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:36:08 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

.

looks like the previous owner left about 1/4" under the toilet...dont
know if this is enough to slide tile under it...

pull toilet or get plumber to do it, or just admit your going to have
a half ass job. do you want to HAVE to do this again?

Did you use cement board? as floor underlayment?

do the job right, do it once and relax you wouldnt have to do it
again......

yeah you're right. i just hate the toilet job...

On Jan 8, 2:59*pm, bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? *obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

Different toilets have different bases in that their profiles are
different and the manufacturers are always changing them. In the
future if your toilet ever breaks or you want to change it for any
reason you will not be able to find one that has the same base that
you cut your floor tile to.
As for removing a toilet remember that a wet/dry shopvac is your best
friend.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:43:26 -0500, aemeijers
wrote:

On 1/8/2011 5:59 PM, bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

Yes against tub, no, no, a thousand times no, against base of toilet.
You never want toilet sitting in a sealed pocket. If and when the wax
ring leaks, or bathroom floor floods for other reasons, the water will
leak down into floor and rot it. (No caulk job stays perfect forever.)
Pulling and resetting a toilet is easy. And if you caulk around base of
toilet, don't go all the way around- leave a couple inches in back open,
so water has a way to get out where you will notice it.

i hate doing toilets...pain the ass, so to speak

You have a real mindset against removing the toilet despite its ease
compared to the work, difficulty of fitting tiles and the general crummy
results you will have. Also if you have not done any preparation to the
floor, only vinyl tiles will have a chance of working, ceramics will surely
fail.

"bpuharic" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

yeah had a feeling this would be the case. not too happy with trying
to pull the toilet. messy job, etc.

It really isn't all that hard. I think you can skip the first article but
parts 2 and 3 are worth the read.

http://househomerepair.com/4-Replaci...-Part-One.html

You may need to add a flange buildup to compensate for your tile. The are
about 6 bucks at the BORG.

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

I left a gap 'twixt the first tile and the tub (grout filled).

You've GOT to lift the toilet and tile underneath it otherwise the result
WILL look like crap. So doing will also facilitate changing toilets when
your old age mandates the taller kind.

Hint:

Assuming you're using 12" tiles. Cut a bunch in half with a tile cutter or
angle grinder and use them as the baseboard.

I glued mine to the wall with liquid nails then went back and stuffed grout
in the gaps to match the floor.

Looks great!

On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 19:51:43 -0500, bpuharic wrote:

On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 19:14:59 -0500, "Colbyt"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
. ..
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You pull the john or live with the mistake you made. Not pretty.

yeah had a feeling this would be the case. not too happy with trying
to pull the toilet. messy job, etc.

It's not a messy job at all. It's easy, though sometimes, if it's been there
a decade or two, you may need a Dremmel tool to cut the bolts. If so, they
need replacing anyway.

Just do it!

HeyBub wrote:

Hint:

Assuming you're using 12" tiles. Cut a bunch in half with a tile
cutter or angle grinder and use them as the baseboard.

I glued mine to the wall with liquid nails then went back and stuffed
grout in the gaps to match the floor.

Looks great!

Here's the result:

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1294627074

http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1294627074

Note the home-made toilet tissue holder. In matches a towel rack.

The color and design of those two items were dictated by a reworked dresser
that was turned into a vanity.
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1294627315

Just seen on tv Homes had to use a hammer to remove a crapper cause some
asshole tiled against the base of one.


http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage

bpuharic wrote in
:

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND the
toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of - wood,
concrete?

Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop trying to
plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches as possible and
pull the damn toilet.

On Jan 10, 9:15*am, Red Green wrote:
bpuharic wrote :

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? *obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND the
toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of - wood,
concrete?

Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop trying to
plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches as possible and
pull the damn toilet.

Like everyone else said, start the job by removing everything on the
floor except the tub. That includes the toilet. Unscrew the toilet
flange and see if you have enough slack to raise it about 3/4" above
the floor. If you do good. Otherwise you will need a flange
extender. Cover the floor with 1/2" backer board. Use as big a
pieces as you can. Motar it down and screw it every 6 to 8 inches in
all directions. Let that dry for 24 hours without wandering aorund on
it. If you are able to get the toilet flange to lift, run the backer
board under it. When you tile try to get the tile under the flange as
well if you can. Before the tile sets temporarily put the toilet down
and make sur ethe toilet sits flat. I use a concrete/glass drill bit
to drill holes for the flange screws. You just need holes through the
tile, not the backer board.

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:43:43 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

The color and design of those two items were dictated by a reworked dresser
that was turned into a vanity.
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/a...g?t=1294627315


Nice job on that re-purposed dresser. Whish I had seen this years ago
when I put a new vanity in.

On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:24:16 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

I left a gap 'twixt the first tile and the tub (grout filled).

You've GOT to lift the toilet and tile underneath it otherwise the result
WILL look like crap. So doing will also facilitate changing toilets when
your old age mandates the taller kind.

Hint:

Assuming you're using 12" tiles. Cut a bunch in half with a tile cutter or
angle grinder and use them as the baseboard.

I glued mine to the wall with liquid nails then went back and stuffed grout
in the gaps to match the floor.

Looks great!


nice idea!

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:15:06 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

bpuharic wrote in
:

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND the
toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of - wood,
concrete?

right now it's vinyl flooring on plywood..


Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop trying to
plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches as possible and
pull the damn toilet.

yep...looks like that's the future...

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 06:31:21 -0800 (PST), jamesgangnc
wrote:

On Jan 10, 9:15*am, Red Green wrote:
bpuharic wrote :

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? *obviously i dont
want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base of the
tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND the
toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of - wood,
concrete?

Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop trying to
plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches as possible and
pull the damn toilet.

Like everyone else said, start the job by removing everything on the
floor except the tub. That includes the toilet. Unscrew the toilet
flange and see if you have enough slack to raise it about 3/4" above
the floor. If you do good. Otherwise you will need a flange
extender. Cover the floor with 1/2" backer board. Use as big a
pieces as you can. Motar it down and screw it every 6 to 8 inches in
all directions. Let that dry for 24 hours without wandering aorund on
it. If you are able to get the toilet flange to lift, run the backer
board under it. When you tile try to get the tile under the flange as
well if you can. Before the tile sets temporarily put the toilet down
and make sur ethe toilet sits flat. I use a concrete/glass drill bit
to drill holes for the flange screws. You just need holes through the
tile, not the backer board.

excellent info! thanks

bpuharic wrote in
:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:15:06 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

bpuharic wrote in
m:

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i
dont want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base
of the tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND
the toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of -
wood, concrete?

right now it's vinyl flooring on plywood..


Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop
trying to plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches
as possible and pull the damn toilet.

yep...looks like that's the future...



I finaly had to replace a 40 yr old toilet at cottage. Big crack
developed in tank. I really dreaded doing this as I had never done befor.
Old toilet came up easy, bolts were rusted & they fell off. I cleaned
flange, stuck a wax ring on new toilet & dropped it back on. It was so
easy I just replaced a toilet at house.This was a bit harder because I
had to cut bolts but after that it was easy also. This summer I'm going
to tile cottage bathroom floor. I'm beginning to feel like a pro pulling
& replacing toilets.

Bob

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:11:26 +0000, Bob wrote:

bpuharic wrote in
:

On Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:15:06 GMT, Red Green
wrote:

bpuharic wrote in
:

OK getting ready to put floor tile in the bathroom...what do i do
about running it up against the toilet and bathtub? obviously i
dont want to life either...do i just run the tile against the base
of the tiolet and bathtub, then caulk and seal?

thanks all

You're going to try and run the underlayment (like Hardibacker) AROUND
the toilet too?!

OK, what's the floor covering now and what is the floor made of -
wood, concrete?

right now it's vinyl flooring on plywood..


Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop
trying to plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches
as possible and pull the damn toilet.

yep...looks like that's the future...



I finaly had to replace a 40 yr old toilet at cottage. Big crack
developed in tank. I really dreaded doing this as I had never done befor.
Old toilet came up easy, bolts were rusted & they fell off. I cleaned
flange, stuck a wax ring on new toilet & dropped it back on. It was so
easy I just replaced a toilet at house.This was a bit harder because I
had to cut bolts but after that it was easy also. This summer I'm going
to tile cottage bathroom floor. I'm beginning to feel like a pro pulling
& replacing toilets.

A Dremmel rotary tool with a cut-off wheel works great for cutting brass
bolts. If toilet bolts have been there for more than a few years I don't even
try getting them off with a wrench anymore.

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:25:44 -0600, "
wrote:

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:11:26 +0000, Bob wrote:


Doesn't matter. I, like everyone else, am gonna tell you to stop
trying to plan out a hack job incorporating as many future headaches
as possible and pull the damn toilet.

yep...looks like that's the future...



I finaly had to replace a 40 yr old toilet at cottage. Big crack
developed in tank. I really dreaded doing this as I had never done befor.
Old toilet came up easy, bolts were rusted & they fell off. I cleaned
flange, stuck a wax ring on new toilet & dropped it back on. It was so
easy I just replaced a toilet at house.This was a bit harder because I
had to cut bolts but after that it was easy also. This summer I'm going
to tile cottage bathroom floor. I'm beginning to feel like a pro pulling
& replacing toilets.

A Dremmel rotary tool with a cut-off wheel works great for cutting brass
bolts. If toilet bolts have been there for more than a few years I don't even
try getting them off with a wrench anymore.

the big problem i had with my basement toilet was it was elevated
about 1/2 inch above the floor with no shims. this cracked the closet
bolt holes and i couldnt get a repair flange to fit under the flange
on the concrete floor.