On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:48:53 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:
WaPo: Anti-Terror Surveillance Targets U.S. Citizens
"In the latest installment of their investigation into the
**government's sprawling intelligence apparatus,** Washington Post
reporters Dana Priest and William Arkin turn their attention to the
way counterterror efforts have percolated down to the local level
and** are now being used against citizens.**

It's worse than you think!

"[WASHINGTON] The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons
dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of
high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal
Register."



Of course, virtually EVERY rifle to the press and the ATF is considered a
"high-powered" one. (I'm not ****ting you. They want EVERY rifle greater
than a .22 caliber to be reported.)

"Every" rifle sold in multiples.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/...es_reporting_2

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:48:53 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:
WaPo: Anti-Terror Surveillance Targets U.S. Citizens
"In the latest installment of their investigation into the
**government's sprawling intelligence apparatus,** Washington Post
reporters Dana Priest and William Arkin turn their attention to the
way counterterror efforts have percolated down to the local level
and** are now being used against citizens.**

It's worse than you think!

"[WASHINGTON] The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants
weapons dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple
sales of high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the
Federal Register."



Of course, virtually EVERY rifle to the press and the ATF is
considered a "high-powered" one. (I'm not ****ting you. They want
EVERY rifle greater than a .22 caliber to be reported.)

"Every" rifle sold in multiples.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/...es_reporting_2

Yep. Firearm dealers already have to report multiple handgun sales. Now
rifles. Pretty soon the feds will want to know when you purchase a dozen or
more Claymores!

When will the nonsense end?

" wrote in
:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:48:53 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:
WaPo: Anti-Terror Surveillance Targets U.S. Citizens
"In the latest installment of their investigation into the
**government's sprawling intelligence apparatus,** Washington Post
reporters Dana Priest and William Arkin turn their attention to the
way counterterror efforts have percolated down to the local level
and** are now being used against citizens.**

It's worse than you think!

"[WASHINGTON] The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons
dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of
high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal
Register."



Of course, virtually EVERY rifle to the press and the ATF is
considered a "high-powered" one. (I'm not ****ting you. They want
EVERY rifle greater than a .22 caliber to be reported.)

"Every" rifle sold in multiples.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/...les_reporting_
2



and an AR-15 IS a .22cal rifle..... ;-)

(I know he means .22LR...)

although IMO,the limit of less than TWO at one time is too low;
one could buy a rifle for a gift and one for themself.
More than that would be unusual.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:28:28 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

" wrote in
:

On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 19:48:53 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Higgs Boson wrote:
WaPo: Anti-Terror Surveillance Targets U.S. Citizens
"In the latest installment of their investigation into the
**government's sprawling intelligence apparatus,** Washington Post
reporters Dana Priest and William Arkin turn their attention to the
way counterterror efforts have percolated down to the local level
and** are now being used against citizens.**

It's worse than you think!

"[WASHINGTON] The federal agency that monitors gun sales wants weapons
dealers near the Mexican border to start reporting multiple sales of
high-powered rifles, according to a notice published in the Federal
Register."



Of course, virtually EVERY rifle to the press and the ATF is
considered a "high-powered" one. (I'm not ****ting you. They want
EVERY rifle greater than a .22 caliber to be reported.)

"Every" rifle sold in multiples.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101220/...les_reporting_
2



and an AR-15 IS a .22cal rifle..... ;-)

5.65x45 .22 ;-)

(I know he means .22LR...)

although IMO,the limit of less than TWO at one time is too low;
one could buy a rifle for a gift and one for themself.
More than that would be unusual.

Depositing $10K in cash is legal too, and it will be reported. Then what?

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Depositing $10K in cash is legal too, and it will be reported. Then
what?

"Vee haf our vays!"

1. Buy a ****-load of postal money orders (or traveller's checks). Deposit
them.

2. The same regulations apply if you try to take substantial sums out of the
country.
a) Buy $50,000 (or whatever) of American Express Traveller's checks.
b) Burn the traveller's checks
c) Go to Bermuda (or wherever)
d) Visit the local Amex office and report the checks missing.
e) Collect your replacement money.

" wrote in
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:28:28 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:


although IMO,the limit of less than TWO at one time is too low;
one could buy a rifle for a gift and one for themself.
More than that would be unusual.

Depositing $10K in cash is legal too, and it will be reported. Then what?

When you want to find criminal activity,you follow the money....

Some Federal bureaucrat examines your reported financial tranactions to see
if there's a pattern that criminals or terrorists use,or connections to
criminal/terrorist orgs. Perhaps a computer program first filters it,before
a human takes a look. I doubt they reveal exactly what criteria they use,so
the bad guys don't adapt.

ATF does the same with multiple firearms buys.
that's how they find FFLs/straw purchasers who are supplying guns to
criminals.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:13:27 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:

" wrote in
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:28:28 -0600, Jim Yanik wrote:


although IMO,the limit of less than TWO at one time is too low;
one could buy a rifle for a gift and one for themself.
More than that would be unusual.

Depositing $10K in cash is legal too, and it will be reported. Then what?

When you want to find criminal activity,you follow the money....

Some Federal bureaucrat examines your reported financial tranactions to see
if there's a pattern that criminals or terrorists use,or connections to
criminal/terrorist orgs. Perhaps a computer program first filters it,before
a human takes a look. I doubt they reveal exactly what criteria they use,so
the bad guys don't adapt.

ATF does the same with multiple firearms buys.
that's how they find FFLs/straw purchasers who are supplying guns to
criminals.

Right. All a reasonable things to do.

Jim Yanik wrote:

Some Federal bureaucrat examines your reported financial tranactions
to see if there's a pattern that criminals or terrorists use,or
connections to criminal/terrorist orgs. Perhaps a computer program
first filters it,before a human takes a look. I doubt they reveal
exactly what criteria they use,so the bad guys don't adapt.

ATF does the same with multiple firearms buys.
that's how they find FFLs/straw purchasers who are supplying guns to
criminals.

Um, sort of. The Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder must report sales of
more than five pistols to the same person in one week to the BATF. There is
currently no reporting threshold on long guns. There is NO reporting of any
gun sale (of less than five pistols) to BATF or anyone else. (Your state may
be assholes about this and require reporting. Mine doesn't.)

Even with pistols, one could buy four pistols at ten different FFL
dealerships in one day and such purchases would not trip any alarms. The FFL
dealer does NOT inform the BATF or anybody else about such purchases - or,
in fact, any normal gun purchase.

Sure, the FBI must be contacted* to approve each sale, but even when there
are forty sales to the same person in the same day, the FBI (even if it
tracked such a thing) cannot, by law, report these multiple NICS inquiries
to the BATF (or anybody else) and the record of the NICS inquiry must be
destroyed within 24 hours.

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* The FBI is usually contacted, through the National Inta-Check System, but
there are exceptions. In my state and many others the holder of a concealed
handgun permit is presumed to be righteous and the NICS authorization is not
done.