When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...ip?_s=PM:WORLD

On 12/7/2010 10:00 PM, Molly Brown wrote:
When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...ip?_s=PM:WORLD

What ever happened to "A tragic accident". It seems there is a move to
place blame for everything. If so, voters should be lined up and shot
for electing (fill in your most hated politician) who has ruined the
country. :-)

TDD

On 12/8/2010 1:17 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/7/2010 10:00 PM, Molly Brown wrote:
When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...ip?_s=PM:WORLD


What ever happened to "A tragic accident". It seems there is a move to
place blame for everything. If so, voters should be lined up and shot
for electing (fill in your most hated politician) who has ruined the
country. :-)

TDD

Not sure. I know an airplane mechanic who's told me horror stories
about mechanics in other countries, mainly the far east. A certified
mechanic there may have a dozen illiterate flunkies working under him
that don't know what they are doing.

On Dec 8, 1:17*am, The Daring Dufas
wrote:
On 12/7/2010 10:00 PM, Molly Brown wrote:

When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...e.trial_1_jacq...

What ever happened to "A tragic accident". It seems there is a move to
place blame for everything. If so, voters should be lined up and shot
for electing (fill in your most hated politician) who has ruined the
country. :-)

TDD

Yawn.... How surprising that a French court decided it was
Continental and a US mechanic solely
responsible for what happened and not 3 French guys that were
responsible for the Concorde design.
I don't know the merits of the particular case, only that it's not
unusual for these things to go this way.
In this case, I don't know exactly how the piece of metal that came
off that Continental plane wound
up on the runway or the design issues that made the Concorde so
vulnerable to a piece of scrap metal.

A good example of the always blame the other guy was the worst Airline
crash in history that killed 500+
people at Teneriff, when 2 747's crashed almost head-on on takeoff in
fog. In that case, they placed part
of the blame on Pan Am which was on the runway, looking for their
turnoff, when KLM took off without
takeoff clearance. In the left seat at KLM was the most senior and
chief pilot for all of KLM. The voice
and flight recorders showed that upon reaching the end of the runway
in fog at barely takeoff minimums, he immediately proceeded to take
off without clearance. That resulted in the co-pilot saying they
didn't have clearance. So the captain tells him to go ahead and
ask. Which he did and he received instructions on the flight path
upon departure, but NOT clearance to takeoff. Whereupon the captain
again shoved the throttles forward and this time the co-pilot said
nothing. All this time they knew Pan Am had been following them on
the active runway that was shrouded in fog and no one had ever said
that Pan Am was clear of the runway. At the point of impact
Pan Am was just starting to turn off. Yet they blamed the Pan Am crew
for not finding their turnoff faster in the
fog.

Molly Brown wrote:
more off-topic political trolling.

Hey Molly, how about you shove a broom up your rancid **** and try doing
something useful for once in your life?

plonk

Jon

On Dec 7, 10:00*pm, Molly Brown wrote:
When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...e.trial_1_jacq...

Of course the french had to vindicate, and Find Blame, to their only
symbol of 20th century success. A plane that made no money, didnt
flying into the countries it was designed for at the design speed. A
plane that made no monetary sense, should never been built and was run
at a loss.

Who buys their cars, motorcycles? Tvs, computers, movies, stereos,
drills and power tools, computer control systems, nobody because they
have none. They make nothing except the booze they export and what
probably caused this crash. How about the design of that plane, that
allowed a blow out of a tire to crash it, You wont see a tire destroy
a Boeing, How about the tire manufacturer that made a tire that
shredded into small pieces, what about runway safey observers, were
they to drunk.

Sadly it was just an accident, but leave it to the french to find
someone else to blame so they can dream the concorde is something
still to be proud of.

In article ,
Frank wrote:

On 12/8/2010 1:17 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/7/2010 10:00 PM, Molly Brown wrote:
When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...l_1_jacques-he
rubel-claude-frantzen-titanium-strip?_s=PM:WORLD


What ever happened to "A tragic accident". It seems there is a move to
place blame for everything. If so, voters should be lined up and shot
for electing (fill in your most hated politician) who has ruined the
country. :-)

TDD

Not sure. I know an airplane mechanic who's told me horror stories
about mechanics in other countries, mainly the far east. A certified
mechanic there may have a dozen illiterate flunkies working under him
that don't know what they are doing.

A couple of years back there was a "60 minutes" (or similar show, I
don't remember which) expose of mechanics for U.S. airlines. Abdication
of duty was rampant. They showed hidden camera clips, one after another,
of a half-dozen mechanics asleep in the seats of the plane. They'd just
go on board for 2-3 hours and nap, then check off everything on the
checklist that they were supposed to have been attending to.

On Dec 8, 8:55*am, ransley wrote:
On Dec 7, 10:00*pm, Molly Brown wrote:

When was the last time anyone investigated an airplane accident all
the way down to the mechanic and held him responsible. Kudos to the
French justice system. We here in the U.S. need to get back to the
good old days of holding people responsible for their actions.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-06/w...e.trial_1_jacq...

*Of course the french had to vindicate, and Find Blame, to their only
symbol of 20th century success. A plane that made no money, didnt
flying into the countries it was designed for at the design speed. A
plane that made no monetary sense, should never been built and was run
at a loss.

*Who buys their cars, motorcycles? Tvs, computers, movies, stereos,
drills and power tools, computer control systems, nobody because they
have none. They make nothing except the booze they export and what
probably caused this crash. How about the design of that plane, that
allowed a blow out of a tire to crash it, You wont see a tire destroy
a Boeing, How about the tire manufacturer that made a tire that
shredded into small pieces, what about runway safey observers, were
they to drunk.

*Sadly it was just an accident, but leave it to the french to find
someone else to blame so they can dream the concorde is something
still to be proud of.


I agree with a lot of what you said above. Still, I was sad to see
the Concorde go
and I think the French and British deserve a lot of credit for a true
technological
achivement. You're right, it never showed a profit and was an
economic disaster.
From that standpoint, it's an example of where having govt run
businesses and make
decisions get you.

But watching that bad boy take off, the afterburners glowing,
was an awesome sight. I got to see it a few times at JFK leaving or
coming in.
Unfortunately, I never got to fly on it, though I do know people who
did. I did get on
board the one in NYC at the Intrepid museum. The obvious tradeoff
for the passengers
was that while the plane gets you there in half the time, the seats
were very cramped,
no lie flat bed seats, etc. In business class, for which a ticket
costs less, you have
twice or more the room and can actually sleep. Consequently a lot of
the seats on
Concorde were being given away for free to people who had Air France
or British Airways
freq flyer miles.
miles