I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

"Art Todesco" wrote in message
...
I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

I am going to guess it's in the end dependent on where you live. I seem to
recall on-line, steel-cage death match grudge fights over this subject, and
it turned out to be dependent on AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction). I
grew in NYC thinking electricity could only run in BX cabling. I remember
seeing my first Romex wiring run thinking "that CAN'T be legal." Turns out
NYC, Chicago and a few other places have the tightest code requirements in
the nation, partly because of their bad experience with electrical fires and
the closeness of houses to one another. It's probably an easy enough
question for your local inspector to answer, although I can understand it in
this economy if you're reluctant to ask and let the government know what
you're up to.

One thing you can be sure of, Usenet is definitely NOT the Authority Having
Jurisdiction in your town. (-:

--
Bobby G.

On Nov 12, 5:40*pm, "Robert Green" wrote:
"Art Todesco" wrote in message

...

I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. *One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. *The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). *The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. *Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? *The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

I am going to guess it's in the end dependent on where you live. *I seem to
recall on-line, steel-cage death match grudge fights over this subject, and
it turned out to be dependent on AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction). *I
grew in NYC thinking electricity could only run in BX cabling. *I remember
seeing my first Romex wiring run thinking "that CAN'T be legal." *Turns out
NYC, Chicago and a few other places have the tightest code requirements in
the nation, partly because of their bad experience with electrical fires and
the closeness of houses to one another. *It's probably an easy enough
question for your local inspector to answer, although I can understand it in
this economy if you're reluctant to ask and let the government know what
you're up to.

One thing you can be sure of, Usenet is definitely NOT the Authority Having
Jurisdiction in your town. (-:

The disasters are only responsible for part of the "strictest" codes.
Unions and other organized entities have had a lot to do with it as
well.

R

"Robert Green" wrote in message
...
"Art Todesco" wrote in message
...
I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

I am going to guess it's in the end dependent on where you live. I seem
to
recall on-line, steel-cage death match grudge fights over this subject,
and
it turned out to be dependent on AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction). I
grew in NYC thinking electricity could only run in BX cabling. I remember
seeing my first Romex wiring run thinking "that CAN'T be legal." Turns
out
NYC, Chicago and a few other places have the tightest code requirements in
the nation, partly because of their bad experience with electrical fires
and
the closeness of houses to one another. It's probably an easy enough
question for your local inspector to answer, although I can understand it
in
this economy if you're reluctant to ask and let the government know what
you're up to.

One thing you can be sure of, Usenet is definitely NOT the Authority
Having
Jurisdiction in your town. (-:

--
Bobby G.


It is very easy for him to ask his local authority, if he has one, wheather
they use the Nec or have requirements above the Nec. If as in most locations
in the U.S., the Nec is the local code, then this Usenet group and code
experts like gfretwell are the right place to get the proper answers

On Nov 12, 1:02*pm, Art Todesco wrote:
I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. *One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. *The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). *The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. *Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? *The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

From my experiences with inspectors here in Southern California you
need to have it in EMT or rigid steel conduit and you may be able to
get away with electrical pvc also but I wouldn’t bet on it.

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 5:40 pm, "Robert Green" wrote:
"Art Todesco" wrote in message

...

I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

I am going to guess it's in the end dependent on where you live. I seem to
recall on-line, steel-cage death match grudge fights over this subject,
and
it turned out to be dependent on AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction). I
grew in NYC thinking electricity could only run in BX cabling. I remember
seeing my first Romex wiring run thinking "that CAN'T be legal." Turns out
NYC, Chicago and a few other places have the tightest code requirements in
the nation, partly because of their bad experience with electrical fires
and
the closeness of houses to one another. It's probably an easy enough
question for your local inspector to answer, although I can understand it
in
this economy if you're reluctant to ask and let the government know what
you're up to.

One thing you can be sure of, Usenet is definitely NOT the Authority
Having
Jurisdiction in your town. (-:

The disasters are only responsible for part of the "strictest" codes.
Unions and other organized entities have had a lot to do with it as
well.

Unions and the Mafia exerting undue influence in NYC and Chicago? Next
thing you'll be telling me is that LBJ stole his elections to the House and
Senate! (-:

--
Bobby G.

In article ,
"Robert Green" wrote:

Next
thing you'll be telling me is that LBJ stole his elections to the House and
Senate! (-:

And killed JFK. Doesn't everybody know that?

On 11/12/2010 9:58 PM, Robert Green wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 5:40 pm, "Robert wrote:
"Art wrote in message

...

I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

I am going to guess it's in the end dependent on where you live. I seem to
recall on-line, steel-cage death match grudge fights over this subject,
and
it turned out to be dependent on AHJ (Authority Having Jurisdiction). I
grew in NYC thinking electricity could only run in BX cabling. I remember
seeing my first Romex wiring run thinking "that CAN'T be legal." Turns out
NYC, Chicago and a few other places have the tightest code requirements in
the nation, partly because of their bad experience with electrical fires
and
the closeness of houses to one another. It's probably an easy enough
question for your local inspector to answer, although I can understand it
in
this economy if you're reluctant to ask and let the government know what
you're up to.

One thing you can be sure of, Usenet is definitely NOT the Authority
Having
Jurisdiction in your town. (-:

The disasters are only responsible for part of the "strictest" codes.
Unions and other organized entities have had a lot to do with it as
well.

Unions and the Mafia exerting undue influence in NYC and Chicago? Next
thing you'll be telling me is that LBJ stole his elections to the House and
Senate! (-:

--
Bobby G.

Ya, after living in the Chicago area suburbs all my life (until
recently), I kind off know how the codes go. I don't know if it is
that way today in Chi-town, not too many years ago, all electrical
wiring had to be in rigid conduit, not thin wall. Plumbing could
not be copper or PVC, including drains. I think they have finally
eased up on that in recent years.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Todesco"

stuff snipped

The disasters are only responsible for part of the "strictest" codes.
Unions and other organized entities have had a lot to do with it as
well.

Unions and the Mafia exerting undue influence in NYC and Chicago? Next
thing you'll be telling me is that LBJ stole his elections to the House
and
Senate! (-:

--
Bobby G.

Ya, after living in the Chicago area suburbs all my life (until
recently), I kind off know how the codes go. I don't know if it is
that way today in Chi-town, not too many years ago, all electrical
wiring had to be in rigid conduit, not thin wall. Plumbing could
not be copper or PVC, including drains. I think they have finally
eased up on that in recent years.

New York City was much the same. I can remember my poor dad cutting his
thumb pretty deeply on the ragged end of a BX cable and howling like a
banshee, blood spilling everywhere. Working with BX was a little like being
a snake wrangler.

I also remember the look on my mother's face when we went upstairs to clean
and bandage it. It was a look I'd see often as both Dad and I injured
ourselves in various ways during car and home repair exercises. Ironically,
the worst injury I sustained in the home was opening a pop-top cat food can
and slicing the web of skin between the thumb and forefinger. The bathroom
looked like a CSI crime scene and I ruined a nice cordless telephone by
bleeding all over it calling neighbor to drive me to the hospital. When I
showed the stitched up wound to our outfit's head librarian she stuck out
her horribly scarred hand and began reciting: "Carrot slicing, hand through
the window, fish deboning, etc."

Reminded me of Dirty Jobs where Mike Rowe points to his missing fingernail
and asks his interview subject "Ever lost a fingernail?" and the guys holds
up a hand with one finger that's much, much shorter than all the others.
Touche!

--
Bobby G.

On Nov 12, 4:02*pm, Art Todesco wrote:
I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. *One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. *The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). *The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. *Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? *The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

Art check the Local codes for accuracy, but anything outside on the
porch needs to be GFCI.
You can make the run with UF or Romex as long as none of it is exposed
in a way that it can be tampered with or caught up and yanked from
normal traffic.
Roy Q.T.
E.E. Technician

"Roy Quijano" wrote in message
...
On Nov 12, 4:02 pm, Art Todesco wrote:
I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.

Art check the Local codes for accuracy, but anything outside on the
porch needs to be GFCI.

Both good points.

You can make the run with UF or Romex as long as none of it is exposed
in a way that it can be tampered with or caught up and yanked from
normal traffic.

I'd get flunked by my inspector using Romex outside and exposed to the
weather. Outside wiring is really, really dependent on where you live and
the local codes and things like whether there's a pool nearby. Even though
some may dispute it, Usenet is not the AHJ and many people (like me) post
based on the knowledge of how things are done in places they have lived.
That makes it very easy to give very passionate but wrong advice when
answering questions. Look at these local codes:

http://www.ci.rolling-meadows.il.us/rmcd/HTML/FAQs.html

A number of them are completely alien to me and to a lot of other posters I
would imagine. But your Usenet buds aren't going to be the ones issuing an
approval or a stop work order. Your local inspector is the one that will do
that. The problem that I see far too often is that homeowners do things
that seem right to them, but when it's time to sell and the home is
inspected by someone well-versed in the local codes it's "tag, you're it!"
and they end up remediating a problem that would have been far easier to
just do right in the first place.

It's almost never a bad idea to discuss and learn more about the problem
you're facing but it's important to remember who will be the one signing off
on your work. No matter how "correct" your fellow Usenet posters are (and
there are some with advanced degrees that know 10 times what a local
inspector does), the AHJ is the last word on what you can do and how you
should do it.

--
Bobby G.

On Nov 13, 4:01*pm, "Robert Green" wrote:
"Roy Quijano" wrote in message

...
On Nov 12, 4:02 pm, Art Todesco wrote:

I am installing 2 duplex outlets on my porch. One will be inside
the screened in part, and the other will be just outside the
screened section. The outlets are going to be just above the floor
decking (2x6). The decking itself is about 3' above the ground,
which is covered with gravel. Do I need to run the UF cable in
conduit under the decking, or can it be applied using the standard
Romex staples? The run would be from the house to the outside edge
of the decking, about 10' and over to the next outlet about 10' away.
Thanks.
Art check the Local codes for accuracy, but anything outside on the
porch needs to be GFCI.

Both good points.

You can make the run with UF or Romex as long as none of it is exposed
in a way that it can be tampered with or caught up and yanked from
normal traffic.

I'd get flunked by my inspector using Romex outside and exposed to the
weather. *Outside wiring is really, really dependent on where you live and
the local codes and things like whether there's a pool nearby. *Even though
some may dispute it, Usenet is not the AHJ and many people (like me) post
based on the knowledge of how things are done in places they have lived.
That makes it very easy to give very passionate but wrong advice when
answering questions. *Look at these local codes:

http://www.ci.rolling-meadows.il.us/rmcd/HTML/FAQs.html

A number of them are completely alien to me and to a lot of other posters I
would imagine. *But your Usenet buds aren't going to be the ones issuing an
approval or a stop work order. *Your local inspector is the one that will do
that. *The problem that I see far too often is that homeowners do things
that seem right to them, but when it's time to sell and the home is
inspected by someone well-versed in the local codes it's "tag, you're it!"
and they end up remediating a problem that would have been far easier to
just do right in the first place.

It's almost never a bad idea to discuss and learn more about the problem
you're facing but it's important to remember who will be the one signing off
on your work. *No matter how "correct" your fellow Usenet posters are (and
there are some with advanced degrees that know 10 times what a local
inspector does), the AHJ is the last word on what you can do and how you
should do it.

--
Bobby G.

I agree, the AHJ is the last word, but, You must have a gfi protected
outlet outdoors.
If the AHJ does not mention this tell him to take a hike;/

The fact that I have never been pulled nor none of my work stopped is
because I think like one and use the best electrical sense and safety
measures available to every job and justisdiction, sometimes common
sense helps, but knowledge of updated devices, techniques and tricks
of the trade are more useful when tackling electrical problems for
others.
Usenet has it's good points.. never advise anyone to do what they read
here, but you have to measure and decide for yourself what will give
you the maximum safety for your buck., and in some cases meet the AHJs
approval which could be a silly weatherization item.
Not to toot my horn but I don't cut corners trying to cut costs, the
best advice is to get an electrician to do the work, then again there
is no guarrantee he will not fail the inspectors approval and fudge up
your budget.

Which ever route you take, think safety first, Good Luck.

Roy Q.T.