On Sep 17, 10:19*am, "hr(bob) "
wrote:
On Sep 16, 11:09*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Sep 16, 11:33*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote:

On Sep 16, 9:21*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Sep 16, 6:28*pm, Vic Smith wrote:

On Thu, 16 Sep 2010 14:40:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03

wrote:

"The tank should be removed first"

First? Why would you remove the tank at all?

I admit this question surprises me.
Sort of like asking why first remove the TV from the TV stand when
you're going to flip it over to fix a leg.
But maybe others do it that way.
I've pulled and/or replaced maybe 15-20 toilets, none real modern..
Had a job with a plumber for a while, and do my own plumbing.

The tank was always about half the weight of the toilet, that's one
reason.
The tanks doubled the height of the toilet, and increased the depth by
about 25%.
Most were in a fairly tight space next to a vanity, so moving them out
is easier in 2 pieces, that's another reason.

The first one I ever put in, I put the tank on before putting the bowl
on the stack. *When moving it in the tank wiggled on the washer and I
heard a slight crackling of ceramic.
I stopped right there and took the tank back off to check it.
It was okay. *But I never did that again.
Never broke a tank.
That's the big reason.

Do you really flip a toilet over with the tank on?
All the more power to you.
I have no experience with "modern" toilets.
Let's say post-1995.

--Vic

Well, I guess space has never been issue, but every toilet I've ever
pulled and reinstalled, I've done with the tank on.

I face teh tank, straddle the seat and grab the toilet just behind the
seat bolts and lift. That method keeps the toilet balanced and moves
it up or down the bolts in a straight path. I then waddle my way
around to wherever I need to take the toilet.

And yes, I've flipped - well, laid on its side - many a toilet with
the tank on. I'm always gentle and I usually lay towels or cardboard
on the floor. I've never had a problem and I don't think I could count
how many I've done.

The only time I've installed them in 2 pieces is for a new install.

To be sure, I've never carried one this way:

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I've only done 4 or 5 toilets, but I can't imagine leaving the tank on
unless you have a huge room with amazing amounts of space to move
around in. *All the bathrooms I've ever worked in were not big enough
to lay the toilet over on its side and still have room to work
comfortably.

How much time are you spending under your toilets? *g

Best case is you're cleaning some wax ring residue, worst case you're
removing whatever is clogging it.

You know, you *can* lay it down right where it used to be standing.

Besides, who's trying to get "comfortable" while cleaning a toilet?

And then there's the option of moving it to another room, which is
what I did when I removed my mom's so they could lay new linoleum.

When I consider the option of trying to remove the rusted bolts from
inside the tank vs. moving the toilet as one piece, I'll opt for the
one piece every time.

Maybe that's why I'm so quick to suggest pulling the toilet when
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My concern is the stress that you put on the tank and tank bolts when
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I can understand your concern, but I can only speak from experience.

The only time I have ever cracked a toilet is when the back swing of a
sledge hammer hit the rim.

While doing a bathroom remodel I was torn between keeping the old
toliet and replacing it. An errant swing of the sledge made that
decision fairly easy.