http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ry?id=11361298

Way To Go!

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:27:47 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ry?id=11361298

Way To Go!


Would have been a lot more dramatic if it was a *para* chute- instead
of the emergency slide at an airport.

What a maroon-
Jim

In article ,
Jim Elbrecht wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:27:47 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...-arrested-flig
ht-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!


Would have been a lot more dramatic if it was a *para* chute- instead
of the emergency slide at an airport.


Don't go there. One of the longest (and dumbest) thread-arguments
on another NG was whether or not you actually can open the cabin door at
altitude (grin).

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:27:47 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ry?id=11361298

Way To Go!


Would have been a lot more dramatic if it was a *para* chute- instead
of the emergency slide at an airport.

What a maroon-
Jim

He's becoming a hero. I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing. They showed him smiling on the news and referred to the cut on his
head as a badge of honor.

In article ,
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

He's becoming a hero. I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing.

What, be a gay flight attendant with PMS?

"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

He's becoming a hero. I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing.

What, be a gay flight attendant with PMS?

Maybe that too.

He got on the PA and told the passengers to go f yourselves, or words to
that effect. I imagine most people that have jobs in customer service or
contact with the public would like to do that at times.

On Aug 11, 6:56*am, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message

news
In article ,
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

He's becoming a hero. *I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing.

What, be a gay flight attendant with PMS?

Maybe that too.

He got on the PA and told the passengers to go f yourselves, or words to
that effect. * I imagine most people that *have jobs in customer service or
contact with the public would like to do that at times.

Please try to be at least a little bit accurate. He addressed his
comment to the nasty passenger who had just told HIM to**** himself.
He did NOT "...tell the passengerS to ....". He was very much
provoked by the nasty passenger. After 20 years of this, something
could and did snap.

Also: He checked on the ground BEFORE deploying the slide, so the pig
media are in error (as usual) by gloating that he could have
injured people on the ground. After 20 years of watching over peoples'
safety, it's not likely that he would endanger someone in a fit of
pique.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
In article ,
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

He's becoming a hero. I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing.
What, be a gay flight attendant with PMS?

Maybe that too.

He got on the PA and told the passengers to go f yourselves, or words to
that effect. I imagine most people that have jobs in customer service or
contact with the public would like to do that at times.


When I worked in HR and handled insurance issues for employees, things
often got emotional. Most often, underpayments occurred because folks
didn't complete claim forms properly. All the "nosy" stuff (accident?,
work-related?) on the claim forms had a reason for being there.
Employees were rarely abusive, but it happened a couple of times. One
day a guy yelled at me and left, slamming the door as he went out...no
cussing or personal stuff, as I recall. For a while, I thought about
what I should have said and was on the verge of marching out to tell him
what I should have said....he ruined my day by coming back to apologize
) The company, and the HR department, were very pro-employee and had
great benefits, so it wasn't a case of the "poor" employee getting
kicked around.

On Aug 10, 10:34*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message

...

On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:27:47 -0400, Metspitzer
wrote:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...n-slater-arres....

Way To Go!

Would have been a lot more dramatic if it was a *para* chute- instead
of the emergency slide at an airport.

What a maroon-
Jim

He's becoming a hero. *I guess a lot of people would like to do the same
thing. * They showed him smiling on the news and referred to the cut on his
head as a badge of honor.

"He's becoming a hero"

Last night Steven Colbert named him his "Alpha Dog Of The Week"

http://tv.popcrunch.com/stephen-colb...he-week-video/

Metspitzer wrote:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ry?id=11361298

Way To Go!

Heh!

"Police sources said that when authorities found [the flight attendant] he
seemed to be in the midst having sexual relations [with his boyfriend]."

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local...100286494.html

This may have simply been a case of urgent need. He could claim exigent
circumstances.

Metspitzer wrote in
:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

In article ,
Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote in
:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

There is a saying in the news biz that dog bites man isn't news but
man bites dog is. Passengers beings assholes happens often enough that
it isn't news, but it isn't every day that a FA wigs out entirely.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:
Metspitzer wrote :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be in
the news as well. And put on a do-not-fly or mandatory-body-cavity-
search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? Duh - they carry on way more stuff. I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

R

RicodJour wrote in news:cc918cfd-afb6-4219-b043-
:

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? Duh - they carry on way more stuff. I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

I feel for the people who try to cheat the luggage fees (not!!!). IMNSHO,
people and their luggage should be weighed and then charged $1/lbs over 225
lbs grin.

I can't stand the people who rush into a plane with all their bags and
steal all the overhead space.

Btw, I had to pay $800 plus 100,000 miles to get a first class seat on my
flight home from Paris, so I could keep my broken leg elevated most of the
time.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Aug 11, 5:45*pm, Han wrote:
RicodJour wrote in news:cc918cfd-afb6-4219-b043-
:

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

I feel for the people who try to cheat the luggage fees (not!!!). *IMNSHO,
people and their luggage should be weighed and then charged $1/lbs over 225
lbs grin.

I can't stand the people who rush into a plane with all their bags and
steal all the overhead space.

Btw, I had to pay $800 plus 100,000 miles to get a first class seat on my
flight home from Paris, so I could keep my broken leg elevated most of the
time.

You should have shipped the leg home ahead of you.

How'd you break it?

R

RicodJour wrote in news:f4dbf948-a478-4eae-b418-
:

You should have shipped the leg home ahead of you.

Good idea. Should have thought of that ...

How'd you break it?

Slipped off a rock bordering a playground full of beach sand. Probably
some fine sand provided lubrication under my shoes. Fortunately, I was
operated on and back from recovery in a hospital room within 5 hours from
breaking the leg, including wait time for ambulance and ER diagnostics.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:18 pm, Han wrote:
Metspitzer wrote
:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted
"person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be in
the news as well. And put on a do-not-fly or mandatory-body-cavity-
search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? Duh - they carry on way more stuff. I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.


Find a need and fill it. UPS is now offering a "suitcase" ship. You put your
stuff in a "Japanese cardboard luggage" looking box and send it to your
hotel. Way cheaper than airline luggage charges.

On Aug 11, 4:27*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be in
the news as well. *And put on a do-not-fly or mandatory-body-cavity-
search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

R

Except that from all indications, that isn;'t what happened. The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

I have no sympathy for this moron. There are Fed laws governing
unruly passengers and he could have followed procedures and called for
security to deal with the woman. Even if she were just detained for
an hour and questioned, that would have certainly made a lasting
impression on her for her actions. I've personally seen people
removed from planes for being abusive to flight attendents. A case
in point. Recently I was travelling back from West Palm Beach to
Philly. As the plane was loading, it became clear that there would
not be enough overhead storage for all the passengers. So the flight
attendents told people at some point on the jetway that from that
point on carry-on bags had to be checked to go in the cargo hold. I
did it and there is no charge. This woman started bitching about it,
insisting she had the right to carry the bag on, that her 80 year old
mother was meeting her and would now have to wait while her luggage
came out, etc. This continued onto the plane and even after she was
seated. Finally, they told her to take another airline and escorted
her off the plane. That plane was the last flight from WPB to Philly
that night. So, she must have wound up having to stay overnight.
The best part was the flight got in early and by the time I took a
quick bathroom stop and then got to baggage claim, the bags were
already coming off. That;s a far better solution, inconveniencing the
screw ball, rather than screwing up other passengers and possibly
endangering ground personnel.

What he did cost the airline significant money. It was reported on
the news last night that it costs $25K to restore the emergency chute
after deployment. Also, that plane was likely out of service for a
good deal of time and passengers waiting for it for the next flight
likely spent hours waiting, missed connections, meetings, etc.

The guy should pay the full cost for what he did and get convicted on
at least some of the charges.

wrote in
:

On Aug 11, 4:27*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote
innews:75e1661bd6qcb5e9rnvgk0pe
:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ven-slater-arr
est
e
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted
"person
or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be
in the news as well. *And put on a do-not-fly or
mandatory-body-cavity- search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on
bag, and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you
have a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it,
of course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time
lifting/forcing them in there.

R

Except that from all indications, that isn;'t what happened. The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

I have no sympathy for this moron. There are Fed laws governing
unruly passengers and he could have followed procedures and called for
security to deal with the woman. Even if she were just detained for
an hour and questioned, that would have certainly made a lasting
impression on her for her actions. I've personally seen people
removed from planes for being abusive to flight attendents. A case
in point. Recently I was travelling back from West Palm Beach to
Philly. As the plane was loading, it became clear that there would
not be enough overhead storage for all the passengers. So the flight
attendents told people at some point on the jetway that from that
point on carry-on bags had to be checked to go in the cargo hold. I
did it and there is no charge. This woman started bitching about it,
insisting she had the right to carry the bag on, that her 80 year old
mother was meeting her and would now have to wait while her luggage
came out, etc. This continued onto the plane and even after she was
seated. Finally, they told her to take another airline and escorted
her off the plane. That plane was the last flight from WPB to Philly
that night. So, she must have wound up having to stay overnight.
The best part was the flight got in early and by the time I took a
quick bathroom stop and then got to baggage claim, the bags were
already coming off. That;s a far better solution, inconveniencing the
screw ball, rather than screwing up other passengers and possibly
endangering ground personnel.

What he did cost the airline significant money. It was reported on
the news last night that it costs $25K to restore the emergency chute
after deployment. Also, that plane was likely out of service for a
good deal of time and passengers waiting for it for the next flight
likely spent hours waiting, missed connections, meetings, etc.

The guy should pay the full cost for what he did and get convicted on
at least some of the charges.

I agree with all you say trader4, exept that the airline was at fault for
allowing too much carry-on and for failure to discipline abusive
passenger(s). I hope the incident will get airlines to enforce their
rules.

My bag was too much when I got fairly late to the gate and was taken as
"gate-checked" luggage (no charge). When I got out of the plane at
destination, it was waiting for me at the entrance to the jetway.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On Aug 12, 9:04*am, Han wrote:
wrote :





On Aug 11, 4:27*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote
innews:75e1661bd6qcb5e9rnvgk0pe
:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...ven-slater-arr
est
e
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted
"person
*or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be
in the news as well. *And put on a do-not-fly or
mandatory-body-cavity- search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on
bag, and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you
have a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it,
of course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time
lifting/forcing them in there.

R

Except that from all indications, that isn;'t what happened. * The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. *The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

I have no sympathy for this moron. * There are Fed laws governing
unruly passengers and he could have followed procedures and called for
security to deal with the woman. *Even if she were just detained for
an hour and questioned, that would have certainly made a lasting
impression on her for her actions. *I've personally seen people
removed from planes for being abusive to flight attendents. * A case
in point. *Recently I was travelling back from West Palm Beach to
Philly. * As the plane was loading, it became clear that there would
not be enough overhead storage for all the passengers. * So the flight
attendents told people at some point on the jetway that from that
point on carry-on bags had to be checked to go in the cargo hold. * I
did it and there is no charge. *This woman started bitching about it,
insisting she had the right to carry the bag on, that her 80 year old
mother was meeting her and would now have to wait while her luggage
came out, etc. * This continued onto the plane and even after she was
seated. * Finally, they told her to take another airline and escorted
her off the plane. * That plane was the last flight from WPB to Philly
that night. * So, she must have wound up having to stay overnight.
The best part was the flight got in early and by the time I took a
quick bathroom stop and then got to baggage claim, the bags were
already coming off. *That;s a far better solution, inconveniencing the
screw ball, rather than screwing up other passengers and possibly
endangering ground personnel.

What he did cost the airline significant money. *It was reported on
the news last night that it costs $25K to restore the emergency chute
after deployment. * Also, that plane was likely out of service for a
good deal of time and passengers waiting for it for the next flight
likely spent hours waiting, missed connections, meetings, etc.

The guy should pay the full cost for what he did and get convicted on
at least some of the charges.

I agree with all you say trader4, exept that the airline was at fault for
allowing too much carry-on

I haven't seen any evidence that the airline allowed on too much carry-
on or that was an issue. The plane had arrived at it's destination
and the passenger was removing her carry-on and somehow it hit the
flight attendant. That could happen without regard to how much carry-
on there was. For example, she could just pull it out with one hand,
and let it go swinging all over the place.







and for failure to discipline abusive
passenger(s). *I hope the incident will get airlines to enforce their
rules.

My bag was too much when I got fairly late to the gate and was taken as
"gate-checked" luggage (no charge). *When I got out of the plane at
destination, it was waiting for me at the entrance to the jetway.

--
Best regards
Han
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- Show quoted text -

On Aug 12, 8:49 am, wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:27 pm, RicodJour wrote:

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? Duh - they carry on way more stuff. I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.


Except that from all indications, that isn't what happened. The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

Not sure what those 'all indications' were that you read, but they're
not so:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08...is_more_n.html

And I agree with the summation in that article. Different takes on
what's right and wrong, but it sure is a helluva an interesting story.

R

On Aug 12, 11:13*am, RicodJour wrote:
On Aug 12, 8:49 am, wrote:





On Aug 11, 4:27 pm, RicodJour wrote:

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

Except that from all indications, that isn't what happened. * The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. *The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

Not sure what those 'all indications' were that you read, but they're
not so:http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/08...is_more_n.html

And I agree with the summation in that article. *Different takes on
what's right and wrong, but it sure is a helluva an interesting story.

R- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Thanks for the link. That is different from the stories that I heard
on TV and radio where it sounded like the whole incident, including
him getting hit with the bag, happened on arrival.

I don't think there is any different take though on deploying an
emergency shoot, grabbing two beers, and exiting the plane. That
part was clearly wrong, regardless of what might have prompted it.
The cost to the airline, which passengers will ultimately pay, taking
the plane out of service for repair, the likely resulting flight
cancelations, together with potential injury to ground personnel are
all real. And the lady who supposedly started it all went
unpunished.

If the passenger was indeed unruly and that could be corroborated by
other flight attendants and passengers, all he had to do was have
security meet the plane. If you believe his behavior from that link,
it would sound to me like he could have been high on something.

On Aug 12, 7:49*am, wrote:
On Aug 11, 4:27*pm, RicodJour wrote:



On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be in
the news as well. *And put on a do-not-fly or mandatory-body-cavity-
search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

R

Except that from all indications, that isn;'t what happened. * The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. *The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

I have no sympathy for this moron. * There are Fed laws governing
unruly passengers and he could have followed procedures and called for
security to deal with the woman. *Even if she were just detained for
an hour and questioned, that would have certainly made a lasting
impression on her for her actions. *I've personally seen people
removed from planes for being abusive to flight attendents. * A case
in point. *Recently I was travelling back from West Palm Beach to
Philly. * As the plane was loading, it became clear that there would
not be enough overhead storage for all the passengers. * So the flight
attendents told people at some point on the jetway that from that
point on carry-on bags had to be checked to go in the cargo hold. * I
did it and there is no charge. *This woman started bitching about it,
insisting she had the right to carry the bag on, that her 80 year old
mother was meeting her and would now have to wait while her luggage
came out, etc. * This continued onto the plane and even after she was
seated. * Finally, they told her to take another airline and escorted
her off the plane. * That plane was the last flight from WPB to Philly
that night. * So, she must have wound up having to stay overnight.
The best part was the flight got in early and by the time I took a
quick bathroom stop and then got to baggage claim, the bags were
already coming off. *That;s a far better solution, inconveniencing the
screw ball, rather than screwing up other passengers and possibly
endangering ground personnel.

What he did cost the airline significant money. *It was reported on
the news last night that it costs $25K to restore the emergency chute
after deployment. * Also, that plane was likely out of service for a
good deal of time and passengers waiting for it for the next flight
likely spent hours waiting, missed connections, meetings, etc.

The guy should pay the full cost for what he did and get convicted on
at least some of the charges.

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. If he didn't like his
job babysitting idiots, then get another.

On Aug 12, 11:32*am, keith wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:49*am, wrote:





On Aug 11, 4:27*pm, RicodJour wrote:

On Aug 11, 4:18*pm, Han wrote:

Metspitzer wrote :

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jetblue-fli...slater-arreste
d-flight-jfk/story?id=11361298

Way To Go!

How come the media haven't caught up with the expletive deleted "person or
persons" who incited all this ruckus?

I hadn't really thought about that, but of course, they _should_ be in
the news as well. *And put on a do-not-fly or mandatory-body-cavity-
search list.

But the airlines have to take some responsibility for such things
happening. *They've lowered the baggage allowance and jacked prices,
so what do people do? *Duh - they carry on way more stuff. *I've
rarely seen someone get shot down for having a too large carry on bag,
and they never weigh them like they're supposed to do. *When you have
a too big bag that's a bit too heavy, and everyone is doing it, of
course there's going to be too little space in the overhead
compartments and people are going to have a tough time lifting/forcing
them in there.

R

Except that from all indications, that isn;'t what happened. * The
plane was not departing, it was arriving. *The passenger supposedly
accidently hit the flight attendant while removing his bag and refused
to appologize, which started the incident.

I have no sympathy for this moron. * There are Fed laws governing
unruly passengers and he could have followed procedures and called for
security to deal with the woman. *Even if she were just detained for
an hour and questioned, that would have certainly made a lasting
impression on her for her actions. *I've personally seen people
removed from planes for being abusive to flight attendents. * A case
in point. *Recently I was travelling back from West Palm Beach to
Philly. * As the plane was loading, it became clear that there would
not be enough overhead storage for all the passengers. * So the flight
attendents told people at some point on the jetway that from that
point on carry-on bags had to be checked to go in the cargo hold. * I
did it and there is no charge. *This woman started bitching about it,
insisting she had the right to carry the bag on, that her 80 year old
mother was meeting her and would now have to wait while her luggage
came out, etc. * This continued onto the plane and even after she was
seated. * Finally, they told her to take another airline and escorted
her off the plane. * That plane was the last flight from WPB to Philly
that night. * So, she must have wound up having to stay overnight.
The best part was the flight got in early and by the time I took a
quick bathroom stop and then got to baggage claim, the bags were
already coming off. *That;s a far better solution, inconveniencing the
screw ball, rather than screwing up other passengers and possibly
endangering ground personnel.

What he did cost the airline significant money. *It was reported on
the news last night that it costs $25K to restore the emergency chute
after deployment. * Also, that plane was likely out of service for a
good deal of time and passengers waiting for it for the next flight
likely spent hours waiting, missed connections, meetings, etc.

The guy should pay the full cost for what he did and get convicted on
at least some of the charges.

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. *If he didn't like his
job babysitting idiots, then get another.- Hide quoted text -

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As more information keeps coming out, it seems there isn't anything
there that backs up the flight attendants version of events. Among
the new things in the last 24 hours:

Law enforcement has located and interviewed dozens of the passengers
and none of them back up his version of events.

Passengers said his eyes were blood shot and he was acting rudely when
the plane was just starting to board. They said when he made the
safety announcement prior to departure, his shirt was unbuttoned and
his belly was visible.

A passenger who heard his interaction with the supposedly beligerant
woman says it was he who acted rudely and was the first to use
profanity.

Other passengers claim they saw the supposed head injury BEFORE the
alleged baggage incident. Whatever the "injury" was, it sure isn't
obvious a day later when he's appearing before the press.