I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road
vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two
cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the
house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I
said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could
cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a
single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

On 7/20/2010 8:34 PM, Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road
vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two
cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the
house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I
said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could
cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a
single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?


It's a local thing:

http://cbs4.com/hurricanepreps/gasol....2.394472.html

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:06:10 -0400, Frank wrote:
It's a local thing:

CARB (California Air Resource Board) states
http://www.pfcma.com/States_Compliance.htm

CARB/OTC Portable Fuel Container & Spout Regulation
Updated Apr 2008

State: Transition Date: Full Compliance Date
California Jan-01-00 Jan-01-01 Phase II regulation: Jul-01-07
Delaware Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03
Maryland Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03
New York Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03
Pennsylvania Jan-01-02 Jan-01-03
Maine Jan-01-03 Jan-01-04
Virginia Jan-01-05 (specific counties only)
Connecticut May-01-04 May-01-05
Washington DC Jan-01-05 Jan-01-06
New Jersey Jan-01-05 Jan-01-06
Texas Jan-01-06
New Hampshire Mar-01-06 Mar-01-07
Ohio Jul-01-07
Massachusetts Massachusetts Department of Environmental Protection is
awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container
Rules scheduled for January 2009.
Rhode Island Rhode Island Department of Environmental Management is
awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container
Rules scheduled for January 2009.
Vermont The VT DEC (Dept of Environmental Conservation) is awaiting
implementation of the U.S. EPA nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules
scheduled for January 2009.
Illinois The IEPA is currently awaiting implementation of the U.S. EPA
nation-wide Portable Fuel Container Rules scheduled for January 2009.
National EPA Administrator signed proposed rule similar to CARB's revised
rules. Implementation date is January 2009

My concern is with all the fumes. It won't explode from the sun, but
it would be better out of the sun. Less fumes and less volitable.

"willy" wrote in message
...
My concern is with all the fumes. It won't explode from the sun, but
it would be better out of the sun. Less fumes and less volitable.


Less expansion & contraction of the containers if out of the sun. I've seen
some plastic jugs which looked like they'd been squeezed by giant hands when
the temp went down.

Storing gasoline and other highly flammable liquids at home is also
dangerous if not done properly. The best way to store gasoline is in a
well ventilated area separate from the house. The location should have
no electrical equipment, open flames or other sources of ignition
present. In addition, the location should be protected from the heat
of the summer sun to keep evaporation to a minimum.

http://nasdonline.org/document/919/d...lammables.html

On 7/20/2010 2:34 PM, Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road
vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two
cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the
house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I
said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could
cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a
single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

Buy an old Caddie or two, fill up the tanks and park it in your back
yard along with your bikes and off-road vehicles. Tell your nosy
neighbor to mind his own business.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:48:27 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
Buy an old Caddie or two, fill up the tanks and park it in your back
yard along with your bikes and off-road vehicles

In theory, one could remove the 20-gallon gas tank from an automobile
junker, and, assuming all the hoses and caps are intact, store 20 gallons
in the single gas tank unobtrusively along that fence.

Pouring it out would be by adding 12 volts to the fuel pump, I guess.

But I'd wonder about the legality of storing gas in a gas tank. Seems like
that's what it's made for, but, maybe not legal outside the vehicle.

On 7/20/2010 4:10 PM, Elmo wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:48:27 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
Buy an old Caddie or two, fill up the tanks and park it in your back
yard along with your bikes and off-road vehicles

In theory, one could remove the 20-gallon gas tank from an automobile
junker, and, assuming all the hoses and caps are intact, store 20 gallons
in the single gas tank unobtrusively along that fence.

Pouring it out would be by adding 12 volts to the fuel pump, I guess.

But I'd wonder about the legality of storing gas in a gas tank. Seems like
that's what it's made for, but, maybe not legal outside the vehicle.

How about converting a small car or a golf cart into a small tanker by
replacing the rear seat/trunk area with a gas tank? A hundred gallons
ought to do the trick. As far as the legality of it all, it's probably
best not to ask such things. We want the option of plausible
deniability. :-)

Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and
off-road vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep
two cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially
inside the house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them.
I said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun
could cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more
than a single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

I'd be more concerned about the buttinsky neighbor than the gasoline.

On 7/20/2010 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:
Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and
off-road vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep
two cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially
inside the house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them.
I said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun
could cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more
than a single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

I'd be more concerned about the buttinsky neighbor than the gasoline.



amen. tell him to myob

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

On Jul 21, 8:59*am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 7/20/2010 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:



Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and
off-road vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep
two cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially
inside the house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them.
I said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun
could cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more
than a single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

I'd be more concerned about the buttinsky neighbor than the gasoline.

amen. *tell him to myob

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

==
Bull****...the neighbor has legitimate concerns. 20 gallons of
gasoline in jerry cans stored in a trunk of a car is NOT safe. If
stored in a locked garden shed isolated from all buildings or fences
it would be much safer but not ideal. Residential areas are not
designed for the storage of volatile liquids especially in the
quantities mentioned. I would not store more than 2 gallons at the
most...this would be adequate for lawnmower and weedeater usage.
People who do what THEY want and disregard OTHERS are just selfish
jerks. I have lived next to these kinds of people in the past and
believe me, it is no picnic.
==

Roy wrote:

snip
Bull****...the neighbor has legitimate concerns. 20 gallons of
gasoline in jerry cans stored in a trunk of a car is NOT safe. If
stored in a locked garden shed isolated from all buildings or fences
it would be much safer but not ideal. Residential areas are not
designed for the storage of volatile liquids especially in the
quantities mentioned. I would not store more than 2 gallons at the
most...this would be adequate for lawnmower and weedeater usage.
People who do what THEY want and disregard OTHERS are just selfish
jerks. I have lived next to these kinds of people in the past and
believe me, it is no picnic.

My gas mowers, edger's, generator, and so on probably hold more than
30 gallons. I normally keep 15 to 25 gallons on hand all the time to
feed all of those small engines. Most of my gas engines have 2 to 5
gallon gas tanks.
--
Jim Rusling
More or Less Retired
Mustang, OK
http://www.rusling.org

On Jul 21, 5:52*pm, Jim Rusling wrote:
Roy wrote:

snipBull****...the neighbor has legitimate concerns. 20 gallons of
gasoline in jerry cans stored in a trunk of a car is NOT safe. If
stored in a locked garden shed isolated from all buildings or fences
it would be much safer but not ideal. Residential areas are not
designed for the storage of volatile liquids especially in the
quantities mentioned. I would not store more than 2 gallons at the
most...this would be adequate for lawnmower and weedeater usage.
People who do what THEY want and disregard OTHERS are just selfish
jerks. I have lived next to these kinds of people in the past and
believe me, it is no picnic.

My gas mowers, edger's, generator, and so on probably hold more than
30 gallons. *I normally keep 15 to 25 gallons on hand all the time to
feed all of those small engines. *Most of my gas engines have 2 to 5
gallon gas tanks.
--
Jim Rusling
More or Less Retired
Mustang, OKhttp://www.rusling.org

==
An acreage or small farm will naturally require more maintenance and
of course more gasoline or diesel. I have a 300 gallon gas tank but
the average city lot isn't that large that such reserves are required.
Close neighbors have to be in the equation.
==

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:52:50 -0500, Jim Rusling
wrote:

Roy wrote:

snip
Bull****...the neighbor has legitimate concerns. 20 gallons of
gasoline in jerry cans stored in a trunk of a car is NOT safe. If

Absolutely. AFA the neighbor and I know, these could blow up and send
shrapnel all over his yard. If that's possible, the OP should know it
too, and if it's not, the OP shoould be able to relay this info to the
neighbor. He'd be a fool not to raise the subject.

stored in a locked garden shed isolated from all buildings or fences
it would be much safer but not ideal. Residential areas are not
designed for the storage of volatile liquids especially in the
quantities mentioned. I would not store more than 2 gallons at the
most...this would be adequate for lawnmower and weedeater usage.
People who do what THEY want and disregard OTHERS are just selfish
jerks. I have lived next to these kinds of people in the past and
believe me, it is no picnic.

My gas mowers, edger's, generator, and so on probably hold more than
30 gallons. I normally keep 15 to 25 gallons on hand all the time to
feed all of those small engines. Most of my gas engines have 2 to 5
gallon gas tanks.

But those are are all little, separate tanks, vented gas tanks. If one
goes, it won't take the others with it (except in action movies).

"Roy" wrote in message
...
On Jul 21, 8:59 am, Steve Barker wrote:
On 7/20/2010 8:52 PM, HeyBub wrote:



Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and
off-road vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep
two cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially
inside the house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them.
I said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun
could cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more
than a single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

I'd be more concerned about the buttinsky neighbor than the gasoline.

amen. tell him to myob

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

==
Bull****...the neighbor has legitimate concerns. 20 gallons of
gasoline in jerry cans stored in a trunk of a car is NOT safe. If
stored in a locked garden shed isolated from all buildings or fences
it would be much safer but not ideal. Residential areas are not
designed for the storage of volatile liquids especially in the
quantities mentioned. I would not store more than 2 gallons at the
most...this would be adequate for lawnmower and weedeater usage.
People who do what THEY want and disregard OTHERS are just selfish
jerks. I have lived next to these kinds of people in the past and
believe me, it is no picnic.
==

I second the neighbor has legitimate concerns. He's doing his neighbor a
solid by telling him it maybe illegal and dangerous. If the OP's house
burned down the group would be saying "Why didn't the neighbor say
something?" g

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:40:52 -0500, JimT wrote:

I would not store more than 2 gallons at the most...

At this point, I just want to find out what the law says about storage and
transportation of 5-gallon gasoline containers.

So far, nobody can come up with a California law. NY law was interesting
though. So a Ca law probably exists (hell, in California, you can't even
put a GPS on the windshield).

We just can't find any California law regarding either storage of 5-gallon
cans of gasoline or transportation of 5-gallon portable containers filled
with gasoline.

BTW, 2 gallons is ridiculously small. I use a 2-gallon can just for the
two-stroke equipment, let alone the four-stroke equipment and the off-road
bikes and the riding mower and the generator. Two gallons would last less
than a few hours, being so ridiculously small as to not be feasible.

So far, the law seems to start at 120 gallons, which is way above the
practical minimum. I'd guess the practicable minimum for an average
homeowner to be at least 5 gallons (assuming only minor lawn equipment).

You always need an absolute minimum of two cans, one for the two strokes,
and one for the four stroke engines.

Bill Murphy wrote:
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road
vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two
cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the
house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I
said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could
cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a
single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?
Hi,
First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety
margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage? Better
be safe than sorry applies here.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:56:49 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety
margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage?

To answer your question, I never smell fumes. I'm using those CARB EPA
Blitz gasoline prisons. The gas has been tested to not lose an ounce (they
test loss by weight) even after a year in the sun.

The article referenced says it's safe to store small amounts of gasoline in
the garage or other well ventilated shelter.

It doesn't say anything about transport.

Any ideas what the laws are on transport?

Bill Murphy wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:56:49 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety
margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage?

To answer your question, I never smell fumes. I'm using those CARB EPA
Blitz gasoline prisons. The gas has been tested to not lose an ounce (they
test loss by weight) even after a year in the sun.

The article referenced says it's safe to store small amounts of gasoline in
the garage or other well ventilated shelter.

It doesn't say anything about transport.

Any ideas what the laws are on transport?
Hi,
I often use surplus army jerry can filled with gas, propane tak say
going camping. I never keep them in a space like confined trunk. If
you have to keep them in the trunk while in transit, I'd keep the lid
open ajar for venting in case. Worst thing happened to me was overfilled
propane tank started hising releasing gas.

"Bill Murphy" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:56:49 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety
margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage?

To answer your question, I never smell fumes. I'm using those CARB EPA
Blitz gasoline prisons. The gas has been tested to not lose an ounce (they
test loss by weight) even after a year in the sun.

The article referenced says it's safe to store small amounts of gasoline
in
the garage or other well ventilated shelter.

It doesn't say anything about transport.

Any ideas what the laws are on transport?

Your state or local laws may vary

http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterminal&L=8&L0=Home&L1=Public+Safety+ Agencies&L2=Massachusetts+Department+of+Fire+Servi ces&L3=Department+of+Fire+Services&L4=Office+of+th e+State+Fire+Marshal&L5=Fire+Prevention&L6=Office+ of+the+State+Fire+Marshal+Advisories&L7=2005+Advis ories&sid=Eeops&b=terminalcontent&f=dfs_osfm_fire_ prevention_adv_av_gas_transportation&csid=Eeops

From: Stephen D. Coan, State Fire Marshal
We are receiving many calls in our office with regard to the transportation
of gasoline in vehicles and whether the use of a "gas-caddy" is legal in the
Commonwealth. As a result of these calls, I am issuing this information.

In accordance with 527 CMR 8.21(5), .gasoline or other flammable petroleum
product may be transported without a permit in any open vehicle or in a
compartment of a closed vehicle separated from passengers, in total quantity
not to exceed 21 gallons, provided such flammable liquid is contained in
approved containers with no individual container exceeding seven gallons
capacity. We request that this information be shared with gas stations in
your area.
Further, the use of "gas-caddys" for the transportation of gasoline and/or
diesel fuel is not allowed in the Commonwealth. The use of "gas-caddys" is
confined to on-site storage at permitted locations



New York State
Safety Bulletin Index - Transporting Gasoline and Diesel Fuel
(Code: SB-96-2, Date: 6/10/96)
Transportation of fuel shall be accomplished by portable fuel cans with a
maximum capacity of 5 gallons each, or cargo fuel tanks. All containers
shall be properly labeled.

Gasoline shall only be transported in approved 5 gallon portable gas cans,
with a limit of four (4) cans per vehicle.

Portable five (5) gallon cans transported on any Department vehicle or
equipment shall be fastened in a vented box, or lashed to the body of the
vehicle with web straps, using eyebolts through the side of the body backed
up by a 3 inch x 3 inch x 3/16 inch steel backing plate. There shall be two
eyebolt anchor points for each can.

Only steel or aluminum Type I or Type II safety cans shall be used to
transport gasoline.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....
From: Stephen D. Coan, State Fire Marshal
....
In accordance with 527 CMR 8.21(5), .gasoline or other flammable
petroleum product may be transported without a permit in any open
vehicle or in a compartment of a closed vehicle separated from
passengers, ...

So you can't take gas home to mow the yard if you have only a SUV or
other trunk-less vehicle in MA...

Nanny has struck again.

--

Bill Murphy wrote:
....

Any ideas what the laws are on transport?

While specifics vary as Ed posted, generally sotoo 20 gal is legal in
DOT-rated transport containers. It's a relatively low hazard but like
anything else, "stuff happens" and in high traffic areas or other
reasons for higher than normal accident probabilities one should be duly
aware.

OTOH, for farm use I keep a 150 gal diesel and 40 gal gasoline transport
tank in the pickup as we have done for 50 yrs or so. Compared to the
1500 gal anhydrous ammonia tank tagging along behind, the fuel risk is
quite benign...

As for the original question on storage, I'd try to make a shaded
location for the storage if you have no shed to minimize the chances of
lifting the safety relief on a hot day of a full can but other than that
I'd have no particular concern, either.

--

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:15:41 -0500, dpb wrote:

I'd try to make a shaded location ... to minimize the chances of
lifting the safety relief on a hot day of a full can

These are the new Blitz enviroflow cans. I don't think they have a safety
release.

I guess they must, but they've been tested to not leak one bit subject to
the hottest temperatures possible out in the sun for a year and they didn't
lose an ounce (they measure gas loss by weight, not volume since it expands
so much).

I always fill to the fill line and no more so I think there is no release
(which I know is contrarian thinking) engineered into these cans.

I guess if someone artificially heats them to something over 200 degrees,
they might have a release, but as far as I know, the tests show they hold
their gas (the problem is getting it out, not keeping it in).

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:04:40 -0700, Bill Murphy wrote:
Any ideas what the laws are on transport?

I looked on the California DOT site and searched for hours.
http://www.dot.ca.gov/

Even a genius couldn't find what you're looking for on the California DOT
web site.

"Bill Murphy" wrote in message
...
I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five
5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road
vehicles.

I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two
cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the
house - while this is outside along the fence.

But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I
said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could
cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a
single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?).

Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard?
Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car?

If you are referring to 5 gallon metal jerry can's, that's about all you can
do for them. I would put them in the shade, though. Leaving any breather
opening is an invitation for condensation from the can "breathing" by
getting alternately hot and cold. I would make an effort to "hide" these
from this neighbor, or move them to an area that does not abut his property.
These aren't inherently dangerous or unstable, but scary. Gasoline combusts
at +260C. It would be damn hard to reach that temperature. But, any spark,
slight brush fire, or lightning strike could be disastrous.

I was standing in a screen porch area of my house one time, and lightning
hit the pecan tree out side. It came down the tree, jumped to my truck,
blew off diagonal hubcaps on my truck, jumped to a cow, killing it, fried
the dryer I was standing beside, and killed a TV in another room. So, I can
say, after having lightning strike within 10 feet of me then and three other
times in my life, **it happens.

Is this spot on the fence away from structures, or out in the country, a
hundred feet away from structures? Or is it in a neighborhood, close to the
houses?

For me, it would almost be better to keep it in the garage. And do you use
enough to justify keeping 20 gallons on hand? Do you have a backup power
generator that you need to keep a supply for? And what about Stabil? I
know it's a hassle, but how about filling up the night before the ride?

I used to poo poo the stories of gas catching fire at filling stations, then
I saw videos, and then a guy two aisles over at the gas station did it.
Man, was that scary. So, the guy does have some valid concerns.

And if you DO have a spark and a gas fire/explosion either in your car, your
yard, or in your garage, it's going to be nasty, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT
MIGHT NOT BE COVERED BY YOUR INSURANCE DUE TO IMPROPER STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS
MATERIALS. Whatever the hell that means. They do have fires at gas
storage yards all the time in the industry, so essentially, there's no safe
way to handle this stuff, and when it's your turn to have an "event", it's
just your turn. You can argue all you want that they were in OSHA MSHA DOT
approved containers, but the fact that there was a fire proves right there
that something was not right.

I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence.
Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. **it does
happen. He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. And
you have to live next door to him. I also personally wouldn't carry that
much gas in the trunk. Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end
you, it's going to be nasty. Or there's just a spark from the lights
...............

Steve

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On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Transporting 20 gallons of
gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air
question:

I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence.
Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. **it does
happen. He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. And
you have to live next door to him. I also personally wouldn't carry that
much gas in the trunk. Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end
you, it's going to be nasty. Or there's just a spark from the lights

+1 on that.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Local grocery store has advantage card program, every month or two i
earn a free tank of gas up to 30 gallons.

I ALWAYS get 30 gallons my van holds near 20 but i dont like to run it
low, gas pump in tank, the gasoline cools the pump. so i try to never
need more than 17 galllons.

which leaves 15 gallons or less to bring home.

i buy gas at nearby station and drive directly home. gasoline goes in
my shed it has power but its well vantilated.and in a fenced in yard.

i have stored over 30 gallons in those 5 gallon plastic cans.

you could use one of those tiny yard storage buildings or a garbage
can over a couple of 5 gallon cans but a weight on top.

life is full of risks its imposible to avoid all of them, far better
to not stress so much.....

On Jul 21, 6:41*am, Caesar Romano wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Transporting 20 gallons of
gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air
question:

I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence.
Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. ***it does
happen. *He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. *And
you have to live next door to him. *I also personally wouldn't carry that
much gas in the trunk. *Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end
you, it's going to be nasty. *Or there's just a spark from the lights

+1 on that.

-1 on that.

It's been PROVEN time and again that those "gasoline explosions" you
see in movies are not realistic. They are staged using pyrotechnics.

The expose of Dateline NBC's "expose" of the 73-87 GM truck tanks is a
classic example.

In a collision that breaches the fuel tank, the fuel dribbles out on
the ground and nothing happens. The fumes are too concentrated to
ignite, and they quickly dissipate to where there aren't enough fumes
to ignite.

wrote in message
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On Jul 21, 6:41 am, Caesar Romano wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Transporting 20 gallons of
gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air
question:

I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence.
Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. **it does
happen. He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. And
you have to live next door to him. I also personally wouldn't carry that
much gas in the trunk. Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end
you, it's going to be nasty. Or there's just a spark from the lights

+1 on that.

-1 on that.

It's been PROVEN time and again that those "gasoline explosions" you
see in movies are not realistic. They are staged using pyrotechnics.

The expose of Dateline NBC's "expose" of the 73-87 GM truck tanks is a
classic example.

In a collision that breaches the fuel tank, the fuel dribbles out on
the ground and nothing happens. The fumes are too concentrated to
ignite, and they quickly dissipate to where there aren't enough fumes
to ignite.

reply: Well, folks, that's it. mkirsch1 has said it, so it must be so.
There has never been, nor will there ever be an accident where gasoline
being transported has ignited during a crash.

In case you did not read the post, I was not talking about pyrotechnic
gasoline explosions, but the ignition of gasoline vapors during a vehicle
crash.

But, like you said, that never, ever, happens.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

On 2010-07-21, Steve B wrote:

wrote in message

-1 on that.

In a collision that breaches the fuel tank, the fuel dribbles out on
the ground and nothing happens. The fumes are too concentrated to
ignite, and they quickly dissipate to where there aren't enough fumes
to ignite.


reply: Well, folks, that's it. mkirsch1 has said it, so it must be so.

mdouche1 has his head up his ass!

Gasoline is one of the most explosive flammables around. It will
ignite easily, it will explode violently. Hence, its overwhelming
popularity as the fuel of choice in internal combustion engines.
NOTHING does it better! (well, nitro


As for you, Steve, you need to enable text quoting in your IE newsreader
thingie. Douche1's text appears the same as your text and is quite
confusing. Not sure how that's done, but I think it's just a radio or
check box in options/preferences or whatever IE calls it.

nb

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
It's been PROVEN time and again that those "gasoline explosions" you
see in movies are not realistic. They are staged using pyrotechnics.

I'm sure fuel ignites, eventually, but I remember a MythBusters episode
where they just couldn't get gasoline to light from a cigarette (IIRC).

OK. I looked it up. MythBusters Holleywood on Trial #7:
It is possible to ignite a pool of gasoline using only a cigarette.

partly plausible

A cigarette has the potential to light a pool of gasoline but just doesn¢t
have enough sustained heat. Gas ignites between 500 °F and 540 °F, the
cigarette at its hottest was between 450 °F and 500 °F but only when it was
actually being smoked. An ignition is very improbable.

In article ,
Orak Listalavostok wrote:



A cigarette has the potential to light a pool of gasoline but just doesn¢t
have enough sustained heat. Gas ignites between 500 °F and 540 °F, the
cigarette at its hottest was between 450 °F and 500 °F but only when it was
actually being smoked. An ignition is very improbable.

The pool is the other part. It isn't so much the heat. When the
cig is in the pool, the vapor concentration at the ember is most likely
not right to light off. There is really not all that large of a range
when vapor isn't too rich or too lean.

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

Orak Listalavostok wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:
It's been PROVEN time and again that those "gasoline explosions" you
see in movies are not realistic. They are staged using pyrotechnics.

I'm sure fuel ignites, eventually, but I remember a MythBusters
episode where they just couldn't get gasoline to light from a
cigarette (IIRC).

OK. I looked it up. MythBusters Holleywood on Trial #7:
It is possible to ignite a pool of gasoline using only a cigarette.

partly plausible

A cigarette has the potential to light a pool of gasoline but just
doesn¢t have enough sustained heat. Gas ignites between 500 °F and
540 °F, the cigarette at its hottest was between 450 °F and 500 °F
but only when it was actually being smoked. An ignition is very
improbable.

Right. The reason for "No Smoking" signs around gasoline is not so much that
the cigarette will ignite the fumes as it is the CIGARETTE LIGHTER will
ignite the fumes.

To be fair, what the signs SHOULD say is: "No lighting of cigarettes around
here"

On 7/21/2010 10:55 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:28:44 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Jul 21, 6:41 am, Caesar wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, "Steve B"
wrote Re Transporting 20 gallons of
gas in your trunk and storing in your back yard in the open air
question:

I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence.
Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. **it does
happen. He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. And
you have to live next door to him. I also personally wouldn't carry that
much gas in the trunk. Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end
you, it's going to be nasty. Or there's just a spark from the lights

+1 on that.

-1 on that.

It's been PROVEN time and again that those "gasoline explosions" you
see in movies are not realistic. They are staged using pyrotechnics.

The expose of Dateline NBC's "expose" of the 73-87 GM truck tanks is a
classic example.

In a collision that breaches the fuel tank, the fuel dribbles out on
the ground and nothing happens. The fumes are too concentrated to
ignite, and they quickly dissipate to where there aren't enough fumes
to ignite.

I once witnessed a 36 foot cabin cruiser with twin gasoline inboard
engines, blow up and burn completely to the waterline in a matter of
about 10 minutes from start to finish. It exploded in a fireball
worthy of any James Bond movie.


it did not explode. Not with just gasoline. You may have witnessed a
rapid burning, but not an explosion.

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

wrote:

it did not explode. Not with just gasoline. You may have witnessed
a rapid burning, but not an explosion.

Then why did the two people onboard land 30 feet away in the water
with broken bones?

(they survived)

You'd be surprised how far you can jump when the boat's on fire.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, Steve B wrote:

I also personally wouldn't carry that much gas in the trunk.

OSHA regulations exerpts from
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS

1926.152(a)(1): Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation
approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable
liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less ...

1926.152(b)(1): No more than 25 gallons of flammable or combustible liquids
shall be stored in a room outside of an approved storage cabinet ...

1926.152(b)(2): Quantities of flammable and combustible liquid in excess of
25 gallons shall be stored in an acceptable or approved cabinet meeting the
following requirements ...

1926.152(b)(3): Not more than 60 gallons of flammable or 120 gallons of
combustible liquids shall be stored in any one storage cabinet. Not more
than three such cabinets may be located in a single storage area.
Quantities in excess of this shall be stored in an inside storage room.

"LM" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, Steve B wrote:

I also personally wouldn't carry that much gas in the trunk.

OSHA regulations exerpts from
http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS

1926.152(a)(1): Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation
approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable
liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less ...

1926.152(b)(1): No more than 25 gallons of flammable or combustible
liquids
shall be stored in a room outside of an approved storage cabinet ...

1926.152(b)(2): Quantities of flammable and combustible liquid in excess
of
25 gallons shall be stored in an acceptable or approved cabinet meeting
the
following requirements ...

1926.152(b)(3): Not more than 60 gallons of flammable or 120 gallons of
combustible liquids shall be stored in any one storage cabinet. Not more
than three such cabinets may be located in a single storage area.
Quantities in excess of this shall be stored in an inside storage room.

I was an associate safety professional. Yes, you may cite OSHA all day
long.

But you said containers of less than five gallons storage. What about
transport? You say nothing about that.

Point is, 5 gallons, 25 gallons 60 gallons (see above), any regular guy
who's been around the block a couple of times knows you can get in one hell
of a mess with a cup of gasoline or less. I knew two guys who had their
faces altered for life with less than a cup of gas.

Steve

visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

"Steve B" wrote

1926.152(a)(1): Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation
approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable
liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less ...



But you said containers of less than five gallons storage. What about
transport? You say nothing about that.

NO, sorry. You cited about 5 gallon containers for handling. Nothing
stated there about storage.

Steve

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:45:00 -0700, Steve B wrote:

You cited about 5 gallon containers for handling.
Nothing stated there about storage.

I'm trying. I really am. I want to know myself what the law is.

I gave up on the California DOT (aka Caltrans) web site as its search
mechanism is a mess.

I googled for "California law gasoline portable storage container
transportation and storage"

It's really hard to find the law on storage and transportation of 5-gallon
gasoline containers!

This PDF, for example, titled "Portable Storage Containers"
(http://groups.ucanr.org/ehs/files/54035.pdf ) is typical in that it gives
suggestions, but, only one law is mentioned related to storage, and it
isn't what we're looking for (we're looking for a volume limitation).

It says "A safety can made of a heavy-gauge metal and having a cap that
automatically closes to prevent a spill if the can is dropped or tipped
over is required, under California Code of Regulations Title 8, Section
3319, for storing flammable liquids like gasoline."

So, I'm still looking for any California law that covers:
- How many gallons (if any limit exists) you can carry in your trunk
- How many gallons (if any limit exists) you can store 'along a fence'

We all know you can carry gas in your trunk; and you can leave it along
your fence; the only question is whether or not there is a legal volume
limit.