subject says all... this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the
tub, so it was stopped up but good. I'm usually pretty good about
keeping the drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and
has about the hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. I didn't see any way to get a snake
down the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. I don't need any more issues.)

nate

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On 5/3/2010 7:36 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
subject says all... this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the tub,
so it was stopped up but good. I'm usually pretty good about keeping the
drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and has about the
hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. I didn't see any way to get a snake down
the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. I don't need any more issues.)

nate

This may help:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/arti...3799-4,00.html

On 05/03/2010 07:51 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/3/2010 7:36 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
subject says all... this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the tub,
so it was stopped up but good. I'm usually pretty good about keeping the
drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and has about the
hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. I didn't see any way to get a snake down
the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. I don't need any more issues.)

nate

This may help:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/arti...3799-4,00.html

somewhat... that's about the approach I wanted to take, except a) I
needed both hands to work the plunger (one to help it seal against the
tub) and no helper, so I couldn't block the overflow with my gripping
hand, and also the way my particular overflow is constructed, I can't
get a snake in there. There's a protrusion right in the middle of it
for the screw that holds the trim plate on (and presumably the overflow
to the side of the tub as well) which means that the distance between it
and the side of the pipe is less than the diameter of the head on my
smallest snake. So it sounds like either replacing the drain assembly
with one more snake-friendly and/or adding a cleanout (if possible) is
the way to go.

I kinda hate the drain/overflow assembly anyway as it is one of those
ones with no lever, just a stopper that you push to set and push again
to open. Maybe I'll put that on my list of things to do, but if it's
anything like the kitchen sink drain was, I'll need a Sawzall to do it :/

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote in news:hrnml50qk6
@news2.newsguy.com:

subject says all...



Silly question: What about Drano or similar product? I find these to be
amazingly effective.


--
Tegger

On Tue, 4 May 2010 00:10:46 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Nate Nagel wrote in news:hrnml50qk6
:

subject says all...



Silly question: What about Drano or similar product? I find these to be
amazingly effective.

Instead of fluids, have a look at this (idea).

Set of 4 FlexiSnake Bendable Rubberized Wire Drain Tools

Long link: (video)

http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/v...&cm_ite=V29217


(or chuck a wire in a drill)

On May 3, 6:36*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
subject says all... *this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. *Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the
tub, so it was stopped up but good. *I'm usually pretty good about
keeping the drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and
has about the hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. *Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. *I didn't see any way to get a snake
down the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. *My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? *Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. *Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? *I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. *I don't need any more issues.)

nate

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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel

Circle the calendar every 6 months to do a Drano dump down the tub
drain. A good defense is better than a poor offense.

On May 3, 8:22*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote:
On May 3, 6:36*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:





subject says all... *this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. *Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the
tub, so it was stopped up but good. *I'm usually pretty good about
keeping the drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and
has about the hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. *Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. *I didn't see any way to get a snake
down the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. *My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? *Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. *Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? *I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. *I don't need any more issues.)

nate

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Circle the calendar every 6 months to do a Drano dump down the tub
drain. *A good defense is better than a poor offense.- Hide quoted text -

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Use a product called Gillette lye some grocers sell it , put approx 2
to 3 tablespoons in the drain pour abit of COLD water down the drain
enough to rinse the lye into the drain . This is critical let sit
for no more then 5 minutes and rinse completely with cold water while
plunging with a regular plunger , cover the overflow you do not have
to plug it completely air tight . if this doe,s not completely clear
it give it one more shot same system . If this fails call a
plumber .

On May 3, 7:56*pm, Nate Nagel wrote:
On 05/03/2010 07:51 PM, Frank wrote:



On 5/3/2010 7:36 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
subject says all... this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the tub,
so it was stopped up but good. I'm usually pretty good about keeping the
drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and has about the
hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. I didn't see any way to get a snake down
the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. I don't need any more issues.)

nate

This may help:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/arti...3799-4,00.html

somewhat... *that's about the approach I wanted to take, except a) I
needed both hands to work the plunger (one to help it seal against the
tub) and no helper, so I couldn't block the overflow with my gripping
hand, and also the way my particular overflow is constructed, I can't
get a snake in there. *There's a protrusion right in the middle of it
for the screw that holds the trim plate on (and presumably the overflow
to the side of the tub as well) which means that the distance between it
and the side of the pipe is less than the diameter of the head on my
smallest snake. *So it sounds like either replacing the drain assembly
with one more snake-friendly and/or adding a cleanout (if possible) is
the way to go.

I kinda hate the drain/overflow assembly anyway as it is one of those
ones with no lever, just a stopper that you push to set and push again
to open. *Maybe I'll put that on my list of things to do, but if it's
anything like the kitchen sink drain was, I'll need a Sawzall to do it :/

nate

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replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel


OR you could like buy a smaller snake which will fit through
the opening for your tub overflow... It is not rocket science,
snakes are not one size fits all... Your size may vary...

Anyway, attacking a clogged tub drain is only possible through
the overflow drain -- you can not get a snake to make the
90º bend in the drain in the bottom of the tub where it intersects
the overflow pipe and continues downwards to your main drain
lines...

~~ Evan

Yes, very good link.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Frank" wrote in message
...
This may help:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/arti...3799-4,00.html

On May 3, 7:10*pm, Tegger wrote:

snip

Silly question: What about Drano or similar product? I find these to be
amazingly effective.

snip

Drano (which is mostly lye, NaOH, sodium hydroxide) is effective, but
must be used with care because of the known reaction with zinc in any
brass parts of the drain. Long exposure of brass to NaOH will leave a
copper sponge, effectively destroying the system. Best recourse, use
it and flush quickly.

Joe

On 5/3/2010 10:18 PM, Evan wrote:
On May 3, 7:56 pm, Nate wrote:
On 05/03/2010 07:51 PM, Frank wrote:



On 5/3/2010 7:36 PM, Nate Nagel wrote:
subject says all... this AM I was taking a shower and felt that lovely
feeling of water backing up in the bathtub and bathing my feet in cool
soapiness. Got home today to find that there was STILL water in the tub,
so it was stopped up but good. I'm usually pretty good about keeping the
drain clear of hair etc. but the girl is half Japanese and has about the
hair you'd expect :/

I bailed most of the water into the sink with a bucket, then poured some
drain cleaner crystals into the drain, let it sit a while, and went at
it with a plunger. Obviously this was only of limited effectiveness as
the overflow is not sealed off. I didn't see any way to get a snake down
the pipe because the drain looks like a laundry sink drain in that
there's a cross pattern thing in it, with the tapped hole in the middle
to hold the pop-up piece (to make matters worse, I know that it's well
stuck, but removing it wouldn't have been a good option what with the
drain being stopped up and all.)

Fortunately, after a few minutes doing what I could with the plunger,
that moved things around enough to let it drain again, so I boiled a
couple pots full of water and threw them down the drain to hopefully
wash out all the nastiness. My question is, if that *hadn't* worked,
what should I have done? Only thing I could think of to do would be to
go to the store and buy a cleanout for the drain pipe (if there even is
such a thing for a non-stack-sized pipe) and go in through the access
panel in the bedroom and install the cleanout on the overflow pipe to
provide a place to insert the snake. Am I missing something or would
this be the way to do it? I forsee that as long as I have a Person of
Hair in the house that this won't be the last time this happens.

Clearly the blockage was at or near the bathtub, just too far down for
me to reach with the little plastic hair removing thing that I use every
now and then, as it shares a stack with the sink, the kitchen sink, and
dishwasher and all of those still work fine

On the upside, while the tub backed up with no warning (we don't
typically take baths, so there was no opportunity to notice the drain
running slow - it either drains faster than the water comes out of the
shower head, or it doesn't) I had noticed a bit of a funky smell in the
bathroom the past few days and hopefully it was whatever muck was
building up in the drain that was the cause of that piquant aroma.
(please, please let it be so. I don't need any more issues.)

nate

This may help:

http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/arti...3799-4,00.html

somewhat... that's about the approach I wanted to take, except a) I
needed both hands to work the plunger (one to help it seal against the
tub) and no helper, so I couldn't block the overflow with my gripping
hand, and also the way my particular overflow is constructed, I can't
get a snake in there. There's a protrusion right in the middle of it
for the screw that holds the trim plate on (and presumably the overflow
to the side of the tub as well) which means that the distance between it
and the side of the pipe is less than the diameter of the head on my
smallest snake. So it sounds like either replacing the drain assembly
with one more snake-friendly and/or adding a cleanout (if possible) is
the way to go.

I kinda hate the drain/overflow assembly anyway as it is one of those
ones with no lever, just a stopper that you push to set and push again
to open. Maybe I'll put that on my list of things to do, but if it's
anything like the kitchen sink drain was, I'll need a Sawzall to do it :/

nate

--
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.http://members.cox.net/njnagel


OR you could like buy a smaller snake which will fit through
the opening for your tub overflow... It is not rocket science,
snakes are not one size fits all... Your size may vary...

Anyway, attacking a clogged tub drain is only possible through
the overflow drain -- you can not get a snake to make the
90º bend in the drain in the bottom of the tub where it intersects
the overflow pipe and continues downwards to your main drain
lines...

~~ Evan

That's the next step and as you point out, drain does not go as you
think it might. Best for him to try to google up a diagram of his set-up.

Joe wrote in news:805910e7-d72e-471a-8e86-883281625d8d@
37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

On May 3, 7:10*pm, Tegger wrote:

snip

Silly question: What about Drano or similar product? I find these to be
amazingly effective.

snip

Drano (which is mostly lye, NaOH, sodium hydroxide) is effective, but
must be used with care because of the known reaction with zinc in any
brass parts of the drain. Long exposure of brass to NaOH will leave a
copper sponge, effectively destroying the system. Best recourse, use
it and flush quickly.



Didn't know that, so thanks. All our drain pipes are ABS, so the only brass
parts are right at the tub/sink itself.

We have a couple of really tough bends/joins/I-don't-know-what in the
drains. A snake is just about impossible to get through those parts, but
Drano does the job.

--
Tegger

On May 4, 8:31*pm, Tegger wrote:
Joe wrote in news:805910e7-d72e-471a-8e86-883281625d8d@
37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

On May 3, 7:10*pm, Tegger wrote:

snip

Silly question: What about Drano or similar product? I find these to be
amazingly effective.

snip

Drano (which is mostly lye, NaOH, sodium hydroxide) is effective, but
must be used with care because of the known reaction with zinc in any
brass parts of the drain. Long exposure of brass to NaOH will leave a
copper sponge, effectively destroying the system. Best recourse, use
it and flush quickly.

Didn't know that, so thanks. All our drain pipes are ABS, so the only brass
parts are right at the tub/sink itself.

We have a couple of really tough bends/joins/I-don't-know-what in the
drains. A snake is just about impossible to get through those parts, but
Drano does the job.

--
Tegger

Also check for cleanouts on the line as the plug is probaly in the
line or the trap .

jim wrote in
:

On May 4, 8:31*pm, Tegger wrote:


We have a couple of really tough bends/joins/I-don't-know-what in the
drains. A snake is just about impossible to get through those parts,
but Drano does the job.




Also check for cleanouts on the line as the plug is probaly in the
line or the trap .



These are all inside the walls; no cleanouts anywhere near them. The
problem spots are all "builder-installed", so I'm innocent of causing them.

--
Tegger

RE CLOGGED TUB DRAIN;

Unscrew the "drain flipper plate" ( usually 2 phillips heads )
Wiggle and lift out the linkage and the round brass plug.
It's usually packed with hair.

With the plug out, you can snake the drain without any interference.

Fill a bucket with water, hot as you can get it.
Pour it down the drain.
That should usually do it.

The hardest part will involve
wiggling the brass plug/linkage back down the overflow.

Tighten the screws..... DONE !

"RJ" wrote in
:


RE CLOGGED TUB DRAIN;

Unscrew the "drain flipper plate" ( usually 2 phillips heads )
Wiggle and lift out the linkage and the round brass plug.
It's usually packed with hair.

With the plug out, you can snake the drain without any interference.

Fill a bucket with water, hot as you can get it.
Pour it down the drain.
That should usually do it.

The hardest part will involve
wiggling the brass plug/linkage back down the overflow.

Tighten the screws..... DONE !



Or you can just buy some Drano for five bucks, pour it in and let it do the
dirty work while you go have a beer. The stuff's amazing, I tell you (the
Drano, I mean, not the beer).

Drano will probably get banned at some point, on the grounds of being
"environmentally unfriendly". These days, it seems as though any substance
that is cheap and effective is, ipso facto, "environmentally unfriendly".


--
Tegger

On Thu, 6 May 2010 23:58:35 +0000 (UTC), Tegger wrote:

"RJ" wrote in
:


RE CLOGGED TUB DRAIN;

Unscrew the "drain flipper plate" ( usually 2 phillips heads )
Wiggle and lift out the linkage and the round brass plug.
It's usually packed with hair.

With the plug out, you can snake the drain without any interference.

Fill a bucket with water, hot as you can get it.
Pour it down the drain.
That should usually do it.

The hardest part will involve
wiggling the brass plug/linkage back down the overflow.

Tighten the screws..... DONE !



Or you can just buy some Drano for five bucks, pour it in and let it do the
dirty work while you go have a beer. The stuff's amazing, I tell you (the
Drano, I mean, not the beer).

Drano will probably get banned at some point, on the grounds of being
"environmentally unfriendly". These days, it seems as though any substance
that is cheap and effective is, ipso facto, "environmentally unfriendly".

Yeah, they're starting to ban bottled water, now.

" wrote in
:

On Thu, 6 May 2010 23:58:35 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:



Drano will probably get banned at some point, on the grounds of being
"environmentally unfriendly". These days, it seems as though any
substance that is cheap and effective is, ipso facto, "environmentally
unfriendly".

Yeah, they're starting to ban bottled water, now.




Funny, that. Something like 1% of the water used by man is bottled. The
other 99% is used for irrigation, food-prep, cleaning, and the like. But
it's the bottles they hate.

I think the anti-bottle nuts believe that we have committed a moral sin of
Promethean proportions, akin to the sin we committed when we started to use
hydrocarbons for energy. Basically, when religious nuts take over, you
can't win.

--
Tegger

On May 6, 8:35*pm, Tegger wrote:
" wrote :

On Thu, 6 May 2010 23:58:35 +0000 (UTC), Tegger
wrote:

Drano will probably get banned at some point, on the grounds of being
"environmentally unfriendly". These days, it seems as though any
substance that is cheap and effective is, ipso facto, "environmentally
unfriendly".

Yeah, they're starting to ban bottled water, now.

Funny, that. Something like 1% of the water used by man is bottled. The
other 99% is used for irrigation, food-prep, cleaning, and the like. But
it's the bottles they hate.

I think the anti-bottle nuts believe that we have committed a moral sin of
Promethean proportions, akin to the sin we committed when we started to use
hydrocarbons for energy. Basically, when religious nuts take over, you
can't win.

--
Tegger


It is that 1% of water that people drink which is stored in plastic
bottles
which are made of chemicals which can cause cancer that people are
so worried about...

Especially since that bottled water sits in the bottles you buy it in
for
a while between when it is bottled and when you buy it and drink it...
During the transit it gets awfully warm during the summer months in
a delivery truck and the plastic bottles leech chemicals into the
water...

But it is your body and your cancer... Bottled water is essentially
the
world's biggest scam... Why buy someone else's filtered municipal
tap water when you can seriously just use your own and buy a
better home filtration system instead ?

~~ Evan

Evan wrote in
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It is that 1% of water that people drink which is stored in plastic
bottles
which are made of chemicals which can cause cancer that people are
so worried about...



Water is a "chemical". Everything is a "chemical".




Especially since that bottled water sits in the bottles you buy it in
for
a while between when it is bottled and when you buy it and drink it...
During the transit it gets awfully warm during the summer months in
a delivery truck and the plastic bottles leech chemicals into the
water...



So all those years of industry and government testing for leaching count for
nothing?

You're aware that only certain polymers are allowed to be in contact with
edible contents of a container? Ever wonder why?

You're aware that metal cans also have a polymer lining, in order to prevent
poisonous reactions between the can's metal and the contents of the can?
Nobody's complaining aobut cancer from that.




But it is your body and your cancer... Bottled water is essentially
the
world's biggest scam... Why buy someone else's filtered municipal
tap water when you can seriously just use your own and buy a
better home filtration system instead ?



Because the bottles are a /lot/ more convenient. I'm old enough to remember
when bottled water was totally unavailable unless it was carbonated. I /like/
the presence of bottled water.



--
Tegger

In article ,
Tegger wrote:




Because the bottles are a /lot/ more convenient. I'm old enough to remember
when bottled water was totally unavailable unless it was carbonated. I /like/
the presence of bottled water.

ISTR a History channel (or Discovery perhaps) episode about bottled
water. I think they said bottled was about the only way you could get
fresh water in many places back in the 1800s. (I'm guessing the bottles
weren't plastic, though.)