Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

"J Burns" wrote in message
...
Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges. It
was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

This is Tater. Try here
http://www.perfectmeasuringtape.com/...res/series-85m

Tater Gum Fries wrote:
"J Burns" wrote in message
...
Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges. It
was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

This is Tater. Try here
http://www.perfectmeasuringtape.com/...res/series-85m



Thank you! They even have a 3-meter model. I could keep my 7.5 on the
shelf and use the little one most of the time: easier to carry, cheaper
to break.

They would be perfect if the pattern didn't have 4 adjacent marks of the
same length. On my old ones, there are no more than two adjacent marks
of the same length (2 and 3, 7 and 8). That means my eyes don't have
to count little marks. I wonder why it's not common.

In article , J Burns wrote:
Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Ace Hardware.

On Sat, 1 May 2010 13:18:22 -0400, "Tater Gum Fries"
wrote:


"J Burns" wrote in message
...
Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges. It
was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

This is Tater. Try here
http://www.perfectmeasuringtape.com/...res/series-85m


Lee Valley has an 8 meter version:

www.leevalley.com

Paul F.

On Sat, 01 May 2010 12:46:04 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

I believe we converted to metric several years ago.

But we may have abandoned tape measures.

On Sat, 01 May 2010 16:24:32 -0400, J Burns
wrote:



Thank you! They even have a 3-meter model. I could keep my 7.5 on the
shelf and use the little one most of the time: easier to carry, cheaper
to break.

Just go through the tape once scraping the paint off the ones that
should be shorter. (yeah, I wouldn't wnat to do that either, but...)

They would be perfect if the pattern didn't have 4 adjacent marks of the
same length. On my old ones, there are no more than two adjacent marks
of the same length (2 and 3, 7 and 8). That means my eyes don't have
to count little marks. I wonder why it's not common.

mm wrote the following:
On Sat, 01 May 2010 12:46:04 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?


I believe we converted to metric several years ago.


In what State?
But we may have abandoned tape measures.



--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

"willshak" wrote

I believe we converted to metric several years ago.

In what State?

We tried in the 70's, but it did not get very far. The US and Burma are the
only two countries in the world that do not use it. More and more though,
companies have to or die. As an example, if you want to make tooling for
any of our machines (none are made in the USA), it must be metric. Yes,
some toolmakers try to convert, but they tend to have problems with
accuracy.

Eventually we will change, but many people are afraid of change, afraid to
learn a new way, others think the rest of the world should change to our
standard.

On Sun, 02 May 2010 01:44:42 -0400, mm wrote:


I believe we converted to metric several years ago.

Thomas Jefferson wanted a decimal system:

1585
A decimal system for weights and measures is proposed (by Simon Stevin, in
his book "The tenth").

1670
Gabriel Mouton, Vicar of St. Paul's Church in Lyons and an astronomer,
proposes a metric system. Authorities credit him as the originator of what
was to become the metric system.

1790
Thomas Jefferson proposed a decimal based measurement system for the USA. A
subsequent vote in the USA congress to replace the current UK-based system
by a metric system was lost by only one vote.

1790s
Investigations conducted into reforming French weights and measures, which
result in development and adoption of the metric system. Credit for
authorising this is variously assigned (depending on which document one
reads) to Louis XVI, Napoleon and the National Assembly of France.

1795
The metric system becomes the official system of measurement in France

1840
Metric system compulsory in France since this date.

1800s
International support for metric system grows. International scientific
community switches to metric system.

1900s
By 1900, 39 countries had officially switched to the metric system. By the
end of the century virtually all countries, with the USA being the only
notable exception, had switched to the metric system.

1959
UK and USA redefine the inch to be 2.54 cm. In 1963 the UK redefines the
pound to be exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. In 1985 the UK redefines the
gallon to be exactly 3.785411764 liters. The USA took similar steps,
although the USA gallon is smaller and consequently has been redefined as
3.785411784 liters.

1960
The metric system officially renamed to "Système International d'Unités"
(International System of Units), and given the official symbol SI.

Current
The metric system has been adapted by virtually every country, with the
only notable exception being the USA (the other non-metric countries are
Liberia and Burma). Some countries (such as the UK) are still in transition
to the metric system.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

"willshak" wrote

I believe we converted to metric several years ago.

In what State?

We tried in the 70's, but it did not get very far. The US and Burma are
the only two countries in the world that do not use it. More and more
though, companies have to or die. As an example, if you want to make
tooling for any of our machines (none are made in the USA), it must be
metric. Yes, some toolmakers try to convert, but they tend to have
problems with accuracy.

Eventually we will change, but many people are afraid of change, afraid
to learn a new way, others think the rest of the world should change to
our standard.

I just want a tape scale that's easy and reliable. In the 1980s I
measured to replace a board. Let's see... 29" and.... more than
half.... less than 3/4.... less than 5/8... more than 9/16... 19/32.

Write it down. Go through the same process finding the line to mark the
new board. Cut. Measure. 28 and 19/32. The fraction was such a
distraction that I went on the wrong side of 29 inches.

When something similar happened a few months later, I went metric. 29
and 19/32 inches is 752 mm. What could be simpler?

One thing that makes my Craftsman metric tape so easy to read is that no
more than two adjacent mm lines had the same length. Dadburnit, I can't
find another marked like that! All English tapes use differing lengths
for the marks. Why are manufacturers so backward with metric tapes?

And metric/English tapes? It's like trying to run a race with one shoe
on. You may use one edge most of the time, but in some situations you
need to use the other edge or accuracy will suffer.

Kuskokwim wrote:

1959
UK and USA redefine the inch to be 2.54 cm. In 1963 the UK redefines the
pound to be exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. In 1985 the UK redefines the
gallon to be exactly 3.785411764 liters. The USA took similar steps,
although the USA gallon is smaller and consequently has been redefined as
3.785411784 liters.

Isn't the Imperial Gallon 4.54609 liters?

On May 2, 3:26�pm, J Burns wrote:
Kuskokwim wrote:
1959
UK and USA redefine the inch to be 2.54 cm. In 1963 the UK redefines the
pound to be exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. In 1985 the UK redefines the
gallon to be exactly 3.785411764 liters. The USA took similar steps,
although the USA gallon is smaller and consequently has been redefined as
3.785411784 liters.

Isn't the Imperial Gallon 4.54609 liters?

It is!!

On Sat, 01 May 2010 12:46:04 -0400, J Burns wrote:

Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never have to
take into account the size of the material?

wrote

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never
have to
take into account the size of the material?

Once you cut that board, it is any measure you deem it to be. Just as we
drink beer in ounces, but you pee into a cup in milliliters.

Kuskokwim wrote:
On Sun, 02 May 2010 01:44:42 -0400, mm wrote:


I believe we converted to metric several years ago.

Thomas Jefferson wanted a decimal system:

1585
A decimal system for weights and measures is proposed (by Simon Stevin, in
his book "The tenth").

1670
Gabriel Mouton, Vicar of St. Paul's Church in Lyons and an astronomer,
proposes a metric system. Authorities credit him as the originator of what
was to become the metric system.

1790
Thomas Jefferson proposed a decimal based measurement system for the USA. A
subsequent vote in the USA congress to replace the current UK-based system
by a metric system was lost by only one vote.

1790s
Investigations conducted into reforming French weights and measures, which
result in development and adoption of the metric system. Credit for
authorising this is variously assigned (depending on which document one
reads) to Louis XVI, Napoleon and the National Assembly of France.

1795
The metric system becomes the official system of measurement in France

1840
Metric system compulsory in France since this date.

1800s
International support for metric system grows. International scientific
community switches to metric system.

1900s
By 1900, 39 countries had officially switched to the metric system. By the
end of the century virtually all countries, with the USA being the only
notable exception, had switched to the metric system.

1959
UK and USA redefine the inch to be 2.54 cm. In 1963 the UK redefines the
pound to be exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. In 1985 the UK redefines the
gallon to be exactly 3.785411764 liters. The USA took similar steps,
although the USA gallon is smaller and consequently has been redefined as
3.785411784 liters.

1960
The metric system officially renamed to "Système International d'Unités"
(International System of Units), and given the official symbol SI.

Current
The metric system has been adapted by virtually every country, with the
only notable exception being the USA (the other non-metric countries are
Liberia and Burma). Some countries (such as the UK) are still in transition
to the metric system.


US did officially adopt it, but just never enforced it. Remember for a
few years, highways were signed both ways, and speedometers also had KM
scale? Booze/pop went metric a couple decades ago, cigarettes have been
metric for ages, spark plug threads were always metric, most film was
metric, etc, etc. Anybody manufacturing for an international market is a
fool if they don't document it in metric, and use metric fasteners.
Computer screws are mostly metric now, so that coffee can full of 6/32
screws won't ever get used up. (At least drive makers that put both size
mounting holes are labeling them now...)

I'll note that Canada, long since officially metric, still uses a long
of traditional measurements in real life. Older folks still like the old
British 'stones' for human weights. 4x8 plywood (although the thickness
is called out in mm now), 2x4 studs, etc. Land deeds in US and Canada
can be anything under the sun, and they are all legally valid, as long
as both parties understand and agree what the units are. Miles, feet,
decimal meters, chains, rods, acres, hectares, sections, whatever. Ammo
is still labeled and sold both ways, at least in the smaller calibers.

I can live with the mishmash, except for one thing. Engineers that use
SAE heads on metric bolts, or vice-versa, should be shot.

--
aem sends...

On May 2, 10:19*am, J Burns wrote:

I just want a tape scale that's easy and reliable.

I had a tape once; metric inches.

Used to enjoy loaning it out.

Lemme see your tape.

Sure!

WTF...?!

It ran away.
-----

- gpsman

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
On Sat, 01 May 2010 12:46:04 -0400, J Burns wrote:

Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never have to
take into account the size of the material?

An imperial tape could be more convenient when measuring for a factory
size, such as marking for wall studs. (With a calculator, a metric tape
can do it nicely.)

Most of my measuring is to cut pieces. A couple of years ago, a
neighbor was cutting panels of plastic skirting to cover his brick
underpinning. The panels were 5' (1500mm) wide. As the ground wasn't
perfectly level, he needed a measurement for each end, and he had to add
5/8" for the panels to tuck under his siding.

He'd cut several wrong when I came along. First, he didn't start with
precision because reading a tape in 32nds is a hassle. Second, it's
easy to goof adding fractions. Third, it's hard to keep two mixed
numbers straight long enough to make two cuts.

I got my metric tape and a piece of paper. After that, the measurements
were easy and every piece fit nicely.

My BIL worked as a carpenter, then built himself a house. Once he
showed me how to repair lightning damage to my roof. In cutting a piece
less than 2 square feet, he ruined a whole sheet of pressure-treated
plywood.

He needed four lengths to cut that piece. He kept trying to remember
four mixed numbers long enough to climb down the ladder and make his
cuts. When he kept goofing, I went up with him with a pad, but he
wouldn't tell me what he measured. Writing the numbers could have
saved time and lumber. A metric tape would have helped because he
wouldn't have avoided mixed numbers.

Shingling alone, snapping a chalk line is more trouble than it's worth.
I make spot checks with a tape measure. A metric tape works best.
It's precise enough to show me if I'm starting to drift, and I don't
have to remember a mixed number.

gpsman wrote:
On May 2, 10:19 am, J Burns wrote:
I just want a tape scale that's easy and reliable.

I had a tape once; metric inches.

Used to enjoy loaning it out.

Lemme see your tape.

Sure!

WTF...?!

It ran away.
-----

- gpsman

Using a surveyor's tape marked in hundredths of a foot was one thing
that inspired me to get a metric carpenter's tape. Another thing was
making desktop measurements of charts. The metric side of the ruler
worked better.

gpsman wrote:
On May 2, 10:19 am, J Burns wrote:
I just want a tape scale that's easy and reliable.

I had a tape once; metric inches.

Used to enjoy loaning it out.

Lemme see your tape.

Sure!

WTF...?!

It ran away.
-----

- gpsman

Snort! Ain't it fun, messing with people like that?

--
aem sends...

On May 2, 12:04*pm, aemeijers wrote:

snip

Engineers that use
SAE heads on metric bolts, or vice-versa, should be shot.

Not sure if we should blame the engineers. A lot of those mongrel
combinations are Asian, mostly Chinese in my collection. I think they
feed their screw machines with metric hex stock, so the bolt heads are
never 5/8", for example, but 19 mm would be just fine with a 3/4"
socket.
Worse yet, years ago, was working with British Whitworth. Hardly
anything was a standard measurement. Old timers that dealt with MG
TC's and TD's will remember the frustrations.

Joe

Joe wrote:
On May 2, 12:04 pm, aemeijers wrote:

snip

Engineers that use
SAE heads on metric bolts, or vice-versa, should be shot.

Not sure if we should blame the engineers. A lot of those mongrel
combinations are Asian, mostly Chinese in my collection. I think they
feed their screw machines with metric hex stock, so the bolt heads are
never 5/8", for example, but 19 mm would be just fine with a 3/4"
socket.
Worse yet, years ago, was working with British Whitworth. Hardly
anything was a standard measurement. Old timers that dealt with MG
TC's and TD's will remember the frustrations.

Joe

No, first time I ran across it, it was definitely an engineer. A '71
Ford Pinto, with the metric German engine. But they stuck the low-buck
US alternator on it, 'cuz that was what their supply chain and assembly
line was set up for. The engine itself had metric bolt heads, but the
accessories and the rest of the car had English bolts, or at least bolt
heads. I guess they didn't dress the engines in Germany, or it couldn't
come up through the fender wells with the accessories on or something.
Natch, I rounded off one bolt head, so I grabbed another out of the junk
box, and WTF? It would not thread into the hole on the front of the
engine. Then I started looking closer and cussing. It was a long time
ago, but I think a trip to the auto parts store was involved, and I know
one bolt head ended up a different size. Next poor SOB that worked on
that POS probably cussed too.

Good thing my brother was into VWs- back in that era, lots of DIYs
didn't have metric in their tool box.

--
aem sends...

On Sun, 02 May 2010 11:38:37 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 02 May 2010 10:23:29 -0500, "
wrote:

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never have to
take into account the size of the material?

Don't believe that. The thinner 1/2" plywood, sold as 15/32 is really
12mm.

It's still sold in 4'x8' sheets, and 1/2 and 3/4 sheet goods are still
available.

That 2x4 that isn't quite 1 1/2 x 3 1/2 is a 44x88.

44x88 doesn't come out to 1-1/2 x 3-1/2, just by inspection (the ratios are
1:2 and 3:7).

It is almost impossible to find ceramic tile that is not metric.

Ceramic tile is a whole 'nother kettle. No one counts on the size of ceramic
tile. No two lots are the same.

On Sun, 2 May 2010 11:49:20 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:


wrote

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never
have to
take into account the size of the material?

Once you cut that board, it is any measure you deem it to be.

You cut all three dimensions?

Just as we drink beer in ounces, but you pee into a cup in milliliters.

Don't know about you, but I generally pee in a toilet and it's marked 1.6
gallons. ;-)

On Sun, 02 May 2010 15:09:45 -0400, J Burns wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 01 May 2010 12:46:04 -0400, J Burns wrote:

Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges.
It was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read
it without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

Why would you want one? Material is all in imperial units. You never have to
take into account the size of the material?

An imperial tape could be more convenient when measuring for a factory
size, such as marking for wall studs. (With a calculator, a metric tape
can do it nicely.)

Exactly. One can always convert but it throws another source of error into
the mess.

Most of my measuring is to cut pieces. A couple of years ago, a
neighbor was cutting panels of plastic skirting to cover his brick
underpinning. The panels were 5' (1500mm) wide. As the ground wasn't
perfectly level, he needed a measurement for each end, and he had to add
5/8" for the panels to tuck under his siding.

He'd cut several wrong when I came along. First, he didn't start with
precision because reading a tape in 32nds is a hassle. Second, it's
easy to goof adding fractions. Third, it's hard to keep two mixed
numbers straight long enough to make two cuts.

He was incompetent and impatient. That's not unusual for a DIY'er. BTDT.

I got my metric tape and a piece of paper. After that, the measurements
were easy and every piece fit nicely.

My BIL worked as a carpenter, then built himself a house. Once he
showed me how to repair lightning damage to my roof. In cutting a piece
less than 2 square feet, he ruined a whole sheet of pressure-treated
plywood.

He ain't that bright either.

He needed four lengths to cut that piece. He kept trying to remember
four mixed numbers long enough to climb down the ladder and make his
cuts. When he kept goofing, I went up with him with a pad, but he
wouldn't tell me what he measured. Writing the numbers could have
saved time and lumber. A metric tape would have helped because he
wouldn't have avoided mixed numbers.

Why remember mixed numbers? Work in the precision you need. If 1/8" is good
enough, measure everything in 1/8" increments. Remember the numerator. It's
the same as remembering your 1/10s.

Shingling alone, snapping a chalk line is more trouble than it's worth.
I make spot checks with a tape measure. A metric tape works best.
It's precise enough to show me if I'm starting to drift, and I don't
have to remember a mixed number.

You're forcing the pain on yourself.

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:
....

It's still sold in 4'x8' sheets, and 1/2 and 3/4 sheet goods are still
available.
....

It's pretty tough (as in akin to putting the toothpaste back into the
tube) to find anything that is actually full half or quarter, tho--it's
generally a 32-nd under if not metric.

--

"J Burns" wrote in message
...
Twenty years ago I bought a Craftsman tape marked in mm on both edges. It
was so much easier and more reliable than fractions for reading and
remembering measurements that I bought a spare.

Eventually, the first one broke. I want to buy a third in case anything
happens to my second one. The only ones I've seen have mm on one edge
only, and that's not as good. Mine is especially good because the marks
for mm 1,4,6, and 9 are shorter than the others, which means I can read it
without counting lines.

Doesn't anyone in America sell metric carpenter's tapes?

I don't know, but I'd buy one. So long as you cut pieces at the proper
distance, you can measure it in cubits. I found the metric system easier to
use and read, particularly when doing layouts on ornamental metal. Use a
simple decimal calculator instead of a conversion one you buy at the Borg
that's a lot more complicated. Using a base 10 measure and a base 10
calculator. Simple.

Steve

zzzzzzzzzz wrote:


Why remember mixed numbers? Work in the precision you need. If 1/8" is good
enough, measure everything in 1/8" increments. Remember the numerator. It's
the same as remembering your 1/10s.


How about the first example, where my neighbor had to measure for
plastic panels to cover his underpinning.


Suppose he measures 28-5/8" at one end. From 28", he has to scan past
20 marks of varying lengths to pick out the 5/8" mark. To avoid mixed
numbers, he's going to have to get his calculator and convert that to
229 eighths. Then he adds 3 for the underlap to make 232. Now, to see
what that will be on his tape when he marks the plastic, he needs to use
a calculator to convert 232 eights to 29". What luck! No fraction to
read on the tape this time!

With a metric tape, it's 727, 2mm past the 725. He adds 15 for the
underlap and marks 742 on the plastic. He doesn't have to worry about
compromising precision if he reads in mm.

On Sun, 02 May 2010 19:09:40 -0500, dpb wrote:

wrote:
...

It's still sold in 4'x8' sheets, and 1/2 and 3/4 sheet goods are still
available.
...

It's pretty tough (as in akin to putting the toothpaste back into the
tube) to find anything that is actually full half or quarter, tho--it's
generally a 32-nd under if not metric.

It can be found, particularly in "cabinet grade". I think the point earlier
was that 1/32 under was really an even metric size.

On Sun, 2 May 2010 08:18:43 -0700 (PDT), harry
wrote:

On May 2, 3:26?pm, J Burns wrote:
Kuskokwim wrote:
1959
UK and USA redefine the inch to be 2.54 cm. In 1963 the UK redefines the
pound to be exactly 0.45359237 kilograms. In 1985 the UK redefines the
gallon to be exactly 3.785411764 liters. The USA took similar steps,
although the USA gallon is smaller and consequently has been redefined as
3.785411784 liters.

Isn't the Imperial Gallon 4.54609 liters?

It is!!

And, in the US,
a "half-gallon" container of ice cream is THREE PINTS !!

[snip]

Just as we drink beer in ounces, but you pee into a cup in milliliters.

Don't know about you, but I generally pee in a toilet and it's marked 1.6
gallons. ;-)

That's a lot of pee ;-)

On Sat, 15 May 2010 19:15:41 -0500, Harry L wrote:

[snip]

Just as we drink beer in ounces, but you pee into a cup in milliliters.

Don't know about you, but I generally pee in a toilet and it's marked 1.6
gallons. ;-)

That's a lot of pee ;-)

The water is cold, too.