I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that
far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share
your experiences?

Doesn't look like it is your yard. It appears to be no mans land between
the sidewalk and curb.

Big, decorative rocks are nice if you can get away with it.



Colbyt

In . 97.131,
Zootal typed:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it)
and the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are
driving over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access.
I suspect just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at
least I'd like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner
shortcuts across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus
I'd like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've
thought of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough
so that they won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if
they do drive over it, it won't damage it but will get their
attention. If it damages their truck of if they get stuck, it won't
break my heart - I can't tell you how many times I've thought of
putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?

You better check: I don't think you own that part of the property; most
places you don't. So there could be consequences to even fixing it.

That said, a nice big rock or rocks might help people keep from being so
lazy. Plus a couple of long, white poles driven into the corner start/end to
define it, with another in the center of the curve. I've seen it done around
here and it works.

Twayne

"Colbyt" wrote in
m:


"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some
pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it)
and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving
over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I
suspect just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at
least I'd like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner
shortcuts across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work,
including replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do
something to discourage people from driving over the curb and
destroying it, plus I'd like to get grass to grow in the corner where
you see mud. I've thought of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs
to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over
it, it won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages
their truck of if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't
tell you how many times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but
I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share
your experiences?

Doesn't look like it is your yard. It appears to be no mans land
between the sidewalk and curb.

It is, but in this small burb we are responsible for it anyhow. The city
even makes property owners pay to fix badly broken sidewalks in front of
their house, even if the sidewalk isn't on their property. My property
line is ten feet in from both streets that meet at the corner.

I ejnoy usage of ten feet of city property alone one side of my lot
because that is where the previous owner put a fence, and the city
doesn't care. Besides, there is a gas line under the fence, so it is
unlikely they are going to do anything with that property anytime soon.
No one wants to dig anywhere near the gas line :-) The city planner was
willing to fudge a bit when I put up a fence, so I'm inclined to stay on
their good side.

Another way to look at this - if I don't do something about the corner,
no one will. I mow the grass, I live there - it bugs me.

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it)
and the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are
driving over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access.
I suspect just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at
least I'd like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner
shortcuts across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus
I'd like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've
thought of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough
so that they won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if
they do drive over it, it won't damage it but will get their
attention. If it damages their truck of if they get stuck, it won't
break my heart - I can't tell you how many times I've thought of
putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?

I feel your Clinton.

Standards for curb radii and driveway access were established back in (I
think) 1920. These standards should really be updated to accommodate the
higher velocity of modern vehicles. That is, they should be a GREATER radius
instead of almost 90œ.

Someone trying to enter a driveway or parking lot from a busy street has to
slow to about 1.5MPH to make the turn, stacking up traffic behind them all
the way to Beaumont. Or, as in your case, they make their own pathway.

If you do rebuild the curb, give the drivers more room by placing the new
curb where the tracks say it SHOULD be.*

--------------
* I once heard an architect's trick when erecting a building on campus: the
sidewalks go in last and they go where the foot traffic has worn down the
grass.

On Jan 19, 4:09*pm, Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:28 -0600, Zootal wrote:

I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

My brother-in-law had the same problem until he installed some cement
filled steel pipes and chain around the corner. Never happened again. I
would also paint them a bright safety yellow-green and add reflectors on
the posts. 16-24" should do the job. Before you do, this was in a trailer
park. Check with the city before doing this

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:28 -0600, Zootal
wrote Re Corner gets driven over - how
to stop?:

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

Rocks.

Start with small rocks, about the size of softballs. People will run
over those, but notice them anyway. Gradually replace the rocks with
larger ones.

You can also try pounding in a T-post painted white. People will see
it and not cut the corner.
--
Work is the curse of the drinking class.

"Colbyt" wrote in
m:


Doesn't look like it is your yard. It appears to be no mans land
between the sidewalk and curb.

but of course,he's still responsible for its maintenance and upkeep...
like mowing,edging.

Big, decorative rocks are nice if you can get away with it.



Colbyt




be sure to paint the big decorative rock a reflective white,and stencil
your house number on it.

(justification for the big rock...claim it's so emergency vehicles can find
your house. ;-) )

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
localnet
dot com

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:28 -0600, Zootal
wrote:

I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?


One rock, maybe the size of a vollyball should do the trick. If you
want to be polite, paint it yellow.

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it)
and the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are
driving over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access.
I suspect just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at
least I'd like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner
shortcuts across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus
I'd like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've
thought of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough
so that they won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if
they do drive over it, it won't damage it but will get their
attention. If it damages their truck of if they get stuck, it won't
break my heart - I can't tell you how many times I've thought of
putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?

Bury the end of a 2 foot length of 4x4 a few inches deep into the ground where
they are driving, so it looks like something that will damage the vehicles.
Repeat as needed.

My neighbor installed vertical chunks of granite, which have cut down the
problem for him.

Zootal wrote in
. 97.131:

I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it)
and the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are
driving over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access.
I suspect just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at
least I'd like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner
shortcuts across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus
I'd like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've
thought of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so
that they won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they
do drive over it, it won't damage it but will get their attention. If
it damages their truck of if they get stuck, it won't break my heart -
I can't tell you how many times I've thought of putting nails in the
mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?


Large rocks.

For ammusement. The day you put them out, just put one or two in the key
spot. Load up a few of leaf bags full of leaves and put around the rock.
Enjoy.

On Jan 19, 6:57*pm, shortT wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:09*pm, Zootal wrote:





I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

Get a life size cut-out of a policeman holding a radar gun and firmly
affix it
near the corner.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's the best one yet. My son had to put 3 18" diameter rocks on
his corner lot to stop the short-cutting, but after a couple of years
the grass looks fine. The city never said anything since it helped
the snowplows find the corner that was otherwise obscured by snow.

I could give you all sorts of advice and alternatives, but I don't live
where you do, so I will not waste your time, since it may be all different
where you live. I'd take it to City Hall and ask them what to do. But
then, you might be opening a can of worms, as they will send a crew to fix
the curb, followed by a bill. I would investigate anonymously if you could
put a boulder. If you can legally do it, your problem will go away in a day
or two.

Top posted for your convenience, as anyone who is following this thread has
already read the body once.

Steve

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that
far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share
your experiences?

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

If you could find some railroad torpedoes and place them between some
steel plates for the miscreants to run over, perhaps that would get
their attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOCzwoWozC8

TDD

On Jan 19, 10:36*pm, The Daring Dufas the-daring-
wrote:
Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?

If you could find some railroad torpedoes and place them between some
steel plates for the miscreants to run over, perhaps that would get
their attention.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOCzwoWozC8

TDD

I hadnt seen any of those since my grandfather died. He ran a depot
for the G&F railroad and we found a wooden box of them in the attic.

Jimmie

"JIMMIE" wrote


I hadnt seen any of those since my grandfather died. He ran a depot
for the G&F railroad and we found a wooden box of them in the attic.

Jimmie

Googling them, and reading about the fourth answer down, it describes them
and their use. They were actually small pieces of dynamite. They were put
on dark tracks where a train had broken down, and sometimes had to be put
miles away from the stationary train by a railway worker walking on the
tracks. They had to be far enough so that any approaching train would have
room enough to stop.

They were discontinued when radio, cell phone, and electronic monitoring
outdated them. They were packed from the factory in wooden boxes and mixed
with sawdust. You had both a neat antique, and something VERY dangerous in
your hands.

Steve

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to share
your experiences?
Hi,
I live on a corner lot too.
As soon as I moved there planted dense cottneaster hedges
about 3.5 feet(legal max. height driver's field of view)
No one drives over curb.

"Steve B" wrote:

-snip-
Top posted for your convenience, as anyone who is following this thread has
already read the body once.

Oh no! He's been assimilated by the mormon.

Find your snippers, man!

Jim

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:


Official looking sign:

NO RIGHT TURN

On Jan 20, 12:05*am, "Steve B" wrote:
"JIMMIE" wrote

I hadnt seen any of those since my grandfather died. He ran a depot
for the G&F railroad and we found a wooden box of them in the attic.

Jimmie

Googling them, and reading about the fourth answer down, it describes them
and their use. *They were actually small pieces of dynamite. *They were put
on dark tracks where a train had broken down, and sometimes had to be put
miles away from the stationary train by a railway worker walking on the
tracks. *They had to be far enough so that any approaching train would have
room enough to stop.

They were discontinued when radio, cell phone, and electronic monitoring
outdated them. *They were packed from the factory in wooden boxes and mixed
with sawdust. *You had both a neat antique, and something VERY dangerous in
your hands.

Steve

I used to spend a lot of time with my grandfather at the depot when I
was little. The G&F was going out of business and their usually wasnt
a need for the train to stop. Grandpa would put a couple of these out
on the tracks if he had outgoing freight. Not having to stop at every
little whistle stop helped keep the train on time. I've cut a couple
open before and they are not dynamite. Smelled and burned more like
match heads. They give a pretty good blast when the train runs over
one but I've hit them with a sledge hammmer and its not even like a
good firecracker. IF you put one in a fire it just fizzles and burns.
My guess is because the wrappings on them dont provide much of a
containment for the blast. You need the wheel on the train to really
compress it enough to get a good explosion.

Jimmie

"Jim Elbrecht" wrote in message
...
"Steve B" wrote:

-snip-
Top posted for your convenience, as anyone who is following this thread
has
already read the body once.

Oh no! He's been assimilated by the mormon.

Find your snippers, man!

Jim

For the record, I am making a concerted effort NOT to top post, and to snip
my posts this year. In some cases, after the thread has gone on for a
while, I believe that if a person doesn't know what's going on, they don't
have the right to kvetch about top posting, and besides, top posting to a
long starter post is easier for me than posting it all again when you're
answering the whole body of the post. Now, if you're just replying to one
section of the post, then snip and answer that one part.

Or just top post EVERYTHING and then your banner for your favorite religion
du jour.

And, for the record, I was UNassimilated by the Mormons when I asked to be
removed from their records in 1981.

So, bottom line, I'm trying to do better, both in the areas of top
posting/snipping, and scriptural paths.

But not to worry, if I ever feel Mormon engulfment again, I shall put out a
call for help.

Steve

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:00:26 -0800, Steve B wrote:
Top posted for your convenience, as anyone who is following this thread has
already read the body once.

So why include it at all?

"JIMMIE" wrote in message
...
On Jan 20, 12:05 am, "Steve B" wrote:
"JIMMIE" wrote

I hadnt seen any of those since my grandfather died. He ran a depot
for the G&F railroad and we found a wooden box of them in the attic.

Jimmie

Googling them, and reading about the fourth answer down, it describes them
and their use. They were actually small pieces of dynamite. They were put
on dark tracks where a train had broken down, and sometimes had to be put
miles away from the stationary train by a railway worker walking on the
tracks. They had to be far enough so that any approaching train would have
room enough to stop.

They were discontinued when radio, cell phone, and electronic monitoring
outdated them. They were packed from the factory in wooden boxes and mixed
with sawdust. You had both a neat antique, and something VERY dangerous in
your hands.

Steve

I used to spend a lot of time with my grandfather at the depot when I
was little. The G&F was going out of business and their usually wasnt
a need for the train to stop. Grandpa would put a couple of these out
on the tracks if he had outgoing freight. Not having to stop at every
little whistle stop helped keep the train on time. I've cut a couple
open before and they are not dynamite. Smelled and burned more like
match heads. They give a pretty good blast when the train runs over
one but I've hit them with a sledge hammmer and its not even like a
good firecracker. IF you put one in a fire it just fizzles and burns.
My guess is because the wrappings on them dont provide much of a
containment for the blast. You need the wheel on the train to really
compress it enough to get a good explosion.

Jimmie

What I figgered, too, after watching the guy do a demonstration in youtube,
fireworks, kind of ......... railroad torpedos. He said they smelled like
caps. When I was a kid, and you could buy such hazardous devices that they
outlaw now, we had cap guns. We would take a roll and smack one little cap
after another to make a bang. Then we would take a whole roll and make a
BIG bang, like a good firecracker.

But I did read in that other Google report from an old railroad article that
they were actually made of dynamite, and some explosives will burn and not
explode. It takes the impact of something to get them to pop. The guy in
the youtube pic did drop a hammer on one, and it popped, but like you, I
think the compression of the wheel would make a louder pop. The train yard
police used to carry cherry bombs as big as your thumb with water proof
fuses to throw at hobos, too.

Steve

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:56:18 -0800, hr(bob) wrote:
My son had to put 3 18" diameter rocks on
his corner lot to stop the short-cutting

Yes, if you go the rock route, make sure they're as large as possible and
unlikely to move. I remember my dad once found one of about 10" diameter
in the middle of the road - it *had* been on a corner, but someone else
had hit it and obviously couldn't be bothered to move it from where their
car had dragged it.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:14:34 -0600, HeyBub wrote:

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:


Official looking sign:

NO RIGHT TURN

"Caution: land mines"

On Jan 20, 10:36*am, Jules
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:56:18 -0800, hr(bob) wrote:
*My son had to put 3 18" diameter rocks on
his corner lot to stop the short-cutting

Yes, if you go the rock route, make sure they're as large as possible and
unlikely to move. I remember my dad once found one of about 10" diameter
in the middle of the road - it *had* been on a corner, but someone else
had hit it and obviously couldn't be bothered to move it from where their
car had dragged it.

In many localities that area is an easement right of way for the
road. If you put something in it and the results are damages to
someones car they can force you to pay for those damages. So I'd
think twice about putting stuff out there that people might run over.

Steve B wrote:
"JIMMIE" wrote in message
...
On Jan 20, 12:05 am, "Steve B" wrote:
"JIMMIE" wrote

I hadnt seen any of those since my grandfather died. He ran a depot
for the G&F railroad and we found a wooden box of them in the attic.

Jimmie

Googling them, and reading about the fourth answer down, it describes them
and their use. They were actually small pieces of dynamite. They were put
on dark tracks where a train had broken down, and sometimes had to be put
miles away from the stationary train by a railway worker walking on the
tracks. They had to be far enough so that any approaching train would have
room enough to stop.

They were discontinued when radio, cell phone, and electronic monitoring
outdated them. They were packed from the factory in wooden boxes and mixed
with sawdust. You had both a neat antique, and something VERY dangerous in
your hands.

Steve

I used to spend a lot of time with my grandfather at the depot when I
was little. The G&F was going out of business and their usually wasnt
a need for the train to stop. Grandpa would put a couple of these out
on the tracks if he had outgoing freight. Not having to stop at every
little whistle stop helped keep the train on time. I've cut a couple
open before and they are not dynamite. Smelled and burned more like
match heads. They give a pretty good blast when the train runs over
one but I've hit them with a sledge hammmer and its not even like a
good firecracker. IF you put one in a fire it just fizzles and burns.
My guess is because the wrappings on them dont provide much of a
containment for the blast. You need the wheel on the train to really
compress it enough to get a good explosion.

Jimmie

What I figgered, too, after watching the guy do a demonstration in youtube,
fireworks, kind of ......... railroad torpedos. He said they smelled like
caps. When I was a kid, and you could buy such hazardous devices that they
outlaw now, we had cap guns. We would take a roll and smack one little cap
after another to make a bang. Then we would take a whole roll and make a
BIG bang, like a good firecracker.

But I did read in that other Google report from an old railroad article that
they were actually made of dynamite, and some explosives will burn and not
explode. It takes the impact of something to get them to pop. The guy in
the youtube pic did drop a hammer on one, and it popped, but like you, I
think the compression of the wheel would make a louder pop. The train yard
police used to carry cherry bombs as big as your thumb with water proof
fuses to throw at hobos, too.

Steve



The report about them being dynamite may have been a reporter who didn't
know any better. These days, reporters often think all rifles are AK-47.

TDD

On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:09:28 -0600, Zootal
wrote:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access.

Looks like they are driving over he water. What is the arrow on the
driveway (a pointer for gas line?)? Call the utilities and suggest
there is a danger and may get worse.

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:14:34 -0600, "HeyBub"
wrote:

Zootal wrote:
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to
drive over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put
some pics here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:


Official looking sign:

NO RIGHT TURN



pic:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25z03eu&s=6

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:36:07 -0800, jamesgangnc wrote:

On Jan 20, 10:36Â*am, Jules
wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:56:18 -0800, hr(bob) wrote:
Â*My son had to put 3 18" diameter rocks on
his corner lot to stop the short-cutting

Yes, if you go the rock route, make sure they're as large as possible and
unlikely to move. I remember my dad once found one of about 10" diameter
in the middle of the road - it *had* been on a corner, but someone else
had hit it and obviously couldn't be bothered to move it from where their
car had dragged it.

In many localities that area is an easement right of way for the
road. If you put something in it and the results are damages to
someones car they can force you to pay for those damages. So I'd
think twice about putting stuff out there that people might run over.

Makes sense... my dad lives over in England, so I'm not sure what the
rules are there, but probably very similar (after all in theory these
things are decided by common sense

Purely speculation, but maybe it matters whether it's a free-standing
structure or fixed with a bit of concrete bedding. There might be local
laws about whether a rock can even be placed at all (I don't think we're
allowed to put anything - other than a mailbox - within so many feet of
the roadside here even though the property line extends right up to the
edge. I think that's a DOT law, not a town planning thing)

Either way, if it were me I'd seek advice from local authorities first as
they can surely advise on best course of action according to local rules
(and/or get things fixed as necessary)

cheers

Jules

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it, it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that
far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share
your experiences?

Too many different rules, regulations, involved utilities and land ownership
to be able to give advise via newsgroups. You really need to check with all
parties involved to find out where you stand in regards to liability,
responsibility and culpability.

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the
grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving over
the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect just a
few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd like to
think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts across the
curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought
of
railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't
just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive over it,
it
won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages their truck
of
if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell you how many
times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't stoop that
far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share
your experiences?

Too many different rules, regulations, involved utilities and land
ownership to be able to give advise via newsgroups. You really need to
check with all parties involved to find out where you stand in regards to
liability, responsibility and culpability.

What he said. But I said it a while back. The OP's first question should
have been at City Hall in his town.

Steve

Wins for creativity.

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"Oren" wrote in message
...

pic:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=25z03eu&s=6

"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
"Colbyt" wrote in
m:


"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving
over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect
just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd
like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts
across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought
of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive
over it, it won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages
their truck of if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell
you how many times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't
stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?

Doesn't look like it is your yard. It appears to be no mans land between
the sidewalk and curb.

It is, but in this small burb we are responsible for it anyhow. The city
even makes property owners pay to fix badly broken sidewalks in front of
their house, even if the sidewalk isn't on their property. My property
line is ten feet in from both streets that meet at the corner.

I ejnoy usage of ten feet of city property alone one side of my lot
because that is where the previous owner put a fence, and the city
doesn't care. Besides, there is a gas line under the fence, so it is
unlikely they are going to do anything with that property anytime soon.
No one wants to dig anywhere near the gas line :-) The city planner was
willing to fudge a bit when I put up a fence, so I'm inclined to stay on
their good side.

Another way to look at this - if I don't do something about the corner,
no one will. I mow the grass, I live there - it bugs me.

As long as you are walking on the good side and you have a sympathetic ear
(you must not have made the classic mistake of going off on a civil servant)
*ask* what you can do that would be approved by the council. Can't hurt and
it's better than having them PO'ed. Once you get them there there's no
coming back. Let us know how it works out. Chuck

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:41:50 -0500, "C & E"
wrote:


"Zootal" wrote in message
.97.131...
"Colbyt" wrote in
m:


"Zootal" wrote in message
. 97.131...
I live on a corner lot. On the corner on the street, people like to drive
over the curb and the yard as they go around the corner. I put some pics
here for those that want to see exactly what is happening:

http://zootal.no-ip.info/stuff/2010/...s/DSCF0077.JPG

You can see how they drive right over the curb (what is left of it) and
the grass. They are cutting so far into the grass that they are driving
over the cover to what I think is either gas or water access. I suspect
just a few people, maybe even one person, of doing this, at least I'd
like to think that not everyone that goes around the corner shortcuts
across the curb and grass like that.

When the weather warms up I am going to do some cement work, including
replacing the curb you see in the above pic. I need to do something to
discourage people from driving over the curb and destroying it, plus I'd
like to get grass to grow in the corner where you see mud. I've thought
of railroad ties, rocks, bricks - it needs to be big enough so that they
won't just drive over it, and strong enough so that if they do drive
over it, it won't damage it but will get their attention. If it damages
their truck of if they get stuck, it won't break my heart - I can't tell
you how many times I've thought of putting nails in the mud, but I won't
stoop that far.

Any suggestions? Anyone been in a similar situation and would like to
share your experiences?


Get a BIG rock and an insurance policy - - - -.
Doesn't look like it is your yard. It appears to be no mans land between
the sidewalk and curb.

It is, but in this small burb we are responsible for it anyhow. The city
even makes property owners pay to fix badly broken sidewalks in front of
their house, even if the sidewalk isn't on their property. My property
line is ten feet in from both streets that meet at the corner.

I ejnoy usage of ten feet of city property alone one side of my lot
because that is where the previous owner put a fence, and the city
doesn't care. Besides, there is a gas line under the fence, so it is
unlikely they are going to do anything with that property anytime soon.
No one wants to dig anywhere near the gas line :-) The city planner was
willing to fudge a bit when I put up a fence, so I'm inclined to stay on
their good side.

Another way to look at this - if I don't do something about the corner,
no one will. I mow the grass, I live there - it bugs me.

As long as you are walking on the good side and you have a sympathetic ear
(you must not have made the classic mistake of going off on a civil servant)
*ask* what you can do that would be approved by the council. Can't hurt and
it's better than having them PO'ed. Once you get them there there's no
coming back. Let us know how it works out. Chuck

wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:24 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

These days, reporters often think all rifles are AK-47

The reality is a real AK-47 is very rare outside of Russia.
Virtually all of the ones they exported or licensed for foreign
manufacture is an AKM. The Chinese make a similar licensed variant
called a Type 56. That is what most Americans see in the semi-auto
export version. (built by a subsidiary of the People's army,
Poly-tech)

Usually reporters get the details very wrong out of sheer ignorance.
I think I've seen American copies of the darn things. I found one.

http://marshall-arms.com/About.php

TDD

The Daring Dufas wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:24 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

These days, reporters often think all rifles are AK-47

The reality is a real AK-47 is very rare outside of Russia.
Virtually all of the ones they exported or licensed for foreign
manufacture is an AKM. The Chinese make a similar licensed variant
called a Type 56. That is what most Americans see in the semi-auto
export version. (built by a subsidiary of the People's army,
Poly-tech)

Usually reporters get the details very wrong out of sheer ignorance.
I think I've seen American copies of the darn things. I found one.

http://marshall-arms.com/About.php


Why the Hell do you guys have to bring weapons into the equation? In my
Dictatorship, no civilian, no policeman, no reserve trooper would be allowed
arms. Any civilian having arms would be shot on the spot. No Court. Let's
avoid that cost and funding an evil sod in clink for the rest of his/her
unuseful life.

That would be my aspiration but I know it cannot be done because we are all
too soft on criminals with arms.

Someone suspected of having criminal intent and handling a gun - immediate
permanent solution. Just a shovel needed and no lawyers to pay.

Only partially jesting!

Clot wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:24 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

These days, reporters often think all rifles are AK-47
The reality is a real AK-47 is very rare outside of Russia.
Virtually all of the ones they exported or licensed for foreign
manufacture is an AKM. The Chinese make a similar licensed variant
called a Type 56. That is what most Americans see in the semi-auto
export version. (built by a subsidiary of the People's army,
Poly-tech)
Usually reporters get the details very wrong out of sheer ignorance.
I think I've seen American copies of the darn things. I found one.

http://marshall-arms.com/About.php


Why the Hell do you guys have to bring weapons into the equation? In my
Dictatorship, no civilian, no policeman, no reserve trooper would be allowed
arms. Any civilian having arms would be shot on the spot. No Court. Let's
avoid that cost and funding an evil sod in clink for the rest of his/her
unuseful life.

That would be my aspiration but I know it cannot be done because we are all
too soft on criminals with arms.

Someone suspected of having criminal intent and handling a gun - immediate
permanent solution. Just a shovel needed and no lawyers to pay.

Only partially jesting!



Um, you realize that you have just added yourself to their 'shoot these
people FIRST' list...

--
aem sends...

Clot wrote:
The Daring Dufas wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:41:24 -0600, The Daring Dufas
wrote:

These days, reporters often think all rifles are AK-47
The reality is a real AK-47 is very rare outside of Russia.
Virtually all of the ones they exported or licensed for foreign
manufacture is an AKM. The Chinese make a similar licensed variant
called a Type 56. That is what most Americans see in the semi-auto
export version. (built by a subsidiary of the People's army,
Poly-tech)
Usually reporters get the details very wrong out of sheer ignorance.
I think I've seen American copies of the darn things. I found one.

http://marshall-arms.com/About.php


Why the Hell do you guys have to bring weapons into the equation? In my
Dictatorship, no civilian, no policeman, no reserve trooper would be allowed
arms. Any civilian having arms would be shot on the spot. No Court. Let's
avoid that cost and funding an evil sod in clink for the rest of his/her
unuseful life.

That would be my aspiration but I know it cannot be done because we are all
too soft on criminals with arms.

Someone suspected of having criminal intent and handling a gun - immediate
permanent solution. Just a shovel needed and no lawyers to pay.

Only partially jesting!



I hope that you do not live in the USA. If it weren't for privately
held arms we would be subjects of the Crown. (for those farther west
than I, you might be speaking French or Spanish.)

nate

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