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Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones.
Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" Found here...: http://www.woodworking-heaven.flower...l-hinges.shtml |
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"Jim" nospam@wherever wrote in message el... "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" Found here...: http://www.woodworking-heaven.flower...l-hinges.shtml More precisely he http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22155 |
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On 1/8/2010 5:59 PM Jim spake thus:
"David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Found here...: http://www.woodworking-heaven.flower...l-hinges.shtml Well, you da man. Or at least my first reaction was "you da man!" when I saw that page. At least until I saw the price for the hinges that might work (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22155): $150 a set! No frigging way. But you still the man for finding that so fast. What I wonder is why the guy I talked to--*at Rockler*--said they didn't have any hinges that would solve my problem. I explained the situation clearly. So now I'm scratching my head, doodling and wondering whether a multi-leaf hinge (like this: http://www.marlborohinge.com/multileafhinges.asp) might work. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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On Jan 8, 8:26*pm, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/8/2010 5:59 PM Jim spake thus: "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message rs.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. *Found here...: http://www.woodworking-heaven.flower...l-hinges.shtml Well, you da man. Or at least my first reaction was "you da man!" when I saw that page. At least until I saw the price for the hinges that might work (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22155): $150 a set! No frigging way. But you still the man for finding that so fast. What I wonder is why the guy I talked to--*at Rockler*--said they didn't have any hinges that would solve my problem. I explained the situation clearly. So now I'm scratching my head, doodling and wondering whether a multi-leaf hinge (like this:http://www.marlborohinge.com/multileafhinges.asp) might work. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" A sketch/top view of the problem would help, I can't visualize what the problem is. |
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I don't think a hinge will solve this. You need a narrower cabinet to move
the door away from the trim so it can open. Then you need a filler to fill the space between the cabinet and the wall. |
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Why can't you hinge the door on the otherside.
If it has to hinge this side the cabinet should have been a little narrower and a filler strip added. If someone designed this for you and supplied the cabinets you may be able get them to return the cabinet and get the right one. This happened to my in-laws when Home Depot measured at the counter height for a run of cabinets and not at the top of the cabinets. Well one wall was out of plumb the wrong way and the top cabinet just was not going to fit. Home Depot took back the cabinet and ordered the correct one. "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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Also those hinges don't look like they will work. I don't think you have
enough room for the door to move "out" before it slides. It looks like you need about 2.5" of clearance before it starts to slide to side. "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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Found the specs, you need about 10"
http://www.sugatsune.com/180PDF/LIN-X_flyer_May09.pdf "Cliff Hartle" wrote in message ... Also those hinges don't look like they will work. I don't think you have enough room for the door to move "out" before it slides. It looks like you need about 2.5" of clearance before it starts to slide to side. "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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On 1/8/2010 7:16 PM Cliff Hartle spake thus:
Why can't you hinge the door on the otherside. Because the door trim would hit the edge of the door and prevent it from opening. If it has to hinge this side the cabinet should have been a little narrower and a filler strip added. If someone designed this for you and supplied the cabinets you may be able get them to return the cabinet and get the right one. Cabinets are from Ikea. What we got is what we got. Obviously, if they were custom cabinets they (homeowner and contractor who did most of the work) would have come up with another design. As it was, two base cabinets and an all-in-one compact kitchen unit filled the space exactly. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. Hinge at the top (or bottom, depending on the cabinet), like an overhead bin? |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/8/2010 5:59 PM Jim spake thus: "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Found here...: http://www.woodworking-heaven.flower...l-hinges.shtml Well, you da man. Or at least my first reaction was "you da man!" when I saw that page. At least until I saw the price for the hinges that might work (http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=22155): $150 a set! No frigging way. But you still the man for finding that so fast. What I wonder is why the guy I talked to--*at Rockler*--said they didn't have any hinges that would solve my problem. I explained the situation clearly. So now I'm scratching my head, doodling and wondering whether a multi-leaf hinge (like this: http://www.marlborohinge.com/multileafhinges.asp) might work. Maybe their offset hinge... http://www.marlborohinge.com/customoffsetshinges.asp -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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David Nebenzahl wrote: On 1/8/2010 7:16 PM Cliff Hartle spake thus: Why can't you hinge the door on the otherside. Because the door trim would hit the edge of the door and prevent it from opening. If it has to hinge this side the cabinet should have been a little narrower and a filler strip added. If someone designed this for you and supplied the cabinets you may be able get them to return the cabinet and get the right one. Cabinets are from Ikea. What we got is what we got. Obviously, if they were custom cabinets they (homeowner and contractor who did most of the work) would have come up with another design. As it was, two base cabinets and an all-in-one compact kitchen unit filled the space exactly. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" My recommendation if the door style allows it, is to cut a 1" strip off the hinge side of the door, permanently affix that to the base cabinet, and re-hinge the door that 1" over. Not as elegant as some $150 exotic hinges, but simple and effective and if done with concealed back mount hinges probably not very noticeable. |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. If there is another cabinet door right next to it, you may be able to turn the two cabinet doors into a bi-fold door with folding door hinges connecting them in the middle. http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=2289 You would need to be sure that the other set of hinges was able to handle the additional weight of a bi-fold door. --Betsy |
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Lowes and Home Cheepo have some strange cabinet hinges.
Typically along the aisle, in pull out plastic drawers, or tip out drawers. USually plastic wrapped. http://www.thehardwarecity.com/produ...Hinge-/9149188 One such typical hinge. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org .. "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message s.com... Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/8/2010 6:37 PM hr(bob) spake thus: On Jan 8, 8:26 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. A sketch/top view of the problem would help, I can't visualize what the problem is. Well, since folks seem to take such a dislike to my posting SMALL PICTURES here, let me try to explain: Well, since usenet is text-only protocol, most won't see 'em anyway... Cabinet is installed against a wall. Directly in front of the cabinet front is a piece of door trim nailed to the wall. There's about an inch between the edge of the door trim and the front of the cabinet. Just enough room to mount a door on the front of the cabinet (door on front of the cabinet, not flush with frame), but not enough room for the door to swing open without hitting the door trim. Got it? As others said, what you really needed was to have used a 2" narrower cabinet w/ a filler strip (and for most satisfactory results in the long run probably should still consider that option--or the probably not-so-good modify the current cabinet/door). I don't have a link for a less-expensive hinge, but you might try Woodworkers' Hardware (MN). Don't recall if url is www.woodworkershardware.com or some variant but a google would undoubtedly find it. They've the largest selection of stuff I'm aware of outside the very high priced spread such as previously found. -- |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
Lowes and Home Cheepo have some strange cabinet hinges. Typically along the aisle, in pull out plastic drawers, or tip out drawers. USually plastic wrapped. http://www.thehardwarecity.com/produ...Hinge-/9149188 One such typical hinge. .... Which is nothing but a standard euro-style hinge that won't do anything for the OP's stated problem. |
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On 1/9/2010 5:52 AM dadiOH spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: On 1/8/2010 6:37 PM hr(bob) spake thus: On Jan 8, 8:26 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. A sketch/top view of the problem would help, I can't visualize what the problem is. Well, since folks seem to take such a dislike to my posting SMALL PICTURES here, let me try to explain: Cabinet is installed against a wall. Directly in front of the cabinet front is a piece of door trim nailed to the wall. There's about an inch between the edge of the door trim and the front of the cabinet. Just enough room to mount a door on the front of the cabinet (door on front of the cabinet, not flush with frame), but not enough room for the door to swing open without hitting the door trim. Got it? Could you... 1. rip off an inch or so from the door edge 2. afix offcut to cabinet 3. hinge remainder of door to offcut Yes. If all else fails, that will probably be Plan B. (Would amend your step 3 to "hinge remainder of door to cabinet", though.) -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/9/2010 5:52 AM dadiOH spake thus: David Nebenzahl wrote: On 1/8/2010 6:37 PM hr(bob) spake thus: On Jan 8, 8:26 pm, David Nebenzahl wrote: Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. A sketch/top view of the problem would help, I can't visualize what the problem is. Well, since folks seem to take such a dislike to my posting SMALL PICTURES here, let me try to explain: Cabinet is installed against a wall. Directly in front of the cabinet front is a piece of door trim nailed to the wall. There's about an inch between the edge of the door trim and the front of the cabinet. Just enough room to mount a door on the front of the cabinet (door on front of the cabinet, not flush with frame), but not enough room for the door to swing open without hitting the door trim. Got it? Could you... 1. rip off an inch or so from the door edge 2. afix offcut to cabinet 3. hinge remainder of door to offcut Yes. If all else fails, that will probably be Plan B. (Would amend your step 3 to "hinge remainder of door to cabinet", though.) Are these real wood, or (like most Ikea stuff) melamine-covered chipboard, with some sort of edge trim? If the latter, you will have trouble reworking the door. Can you post a pointer to the cabinet on the Ikea site, so we can see what it looks like? Does Ikea sell narrower replacement doors and filler panels of any sort? (looks at Ikea site, kitchen section) Doesn't look promising. Most of the stuff is chipboard, and not much apparent choice in widths. (Unless maybe the door you have is wide, and you can buy a narrower one, and cut one edge off existing door, so you can shove cut edge against wall so only a factory edge shows. You'd need to add a hardwood rail vertically in cabinet to mount the hinges to, and to catch the edge of the cut-down door used as filler panel.) I'd be tempted to take the casing off that side of the door opening, and flush it in somehow. How many doors in the room? Changing all the visible door casings might be less labor than modifying the cabinet, if there is absolutely no way to fine-tune reality and slide the whole wall of cabinets down an inch or two. Otherwise, just screw that door shut, and live with reaching around in that corner cabinet. Or add blocks in the cabinet carcass, and mount the door with velcro tape or magnets, so you can yank it off for those once-a-year pots and pans. -- aem sends, seeing why people diss Ikea.... |
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On 1/9/2010 2:53 PM aemeijers spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: On 1/9/2010 5:52 AM dadiOH spake thus: David Nebenzahl wrote: Cabinet is installed against a wall. Directly in front of the cabinet front is a piece of door trim nailed to the wall. There's about an inch between the edge of the door trim and the front of the cabinet. Just enough room to mount a door on the front of the cabinet (door on front of the cabinet, not flush with frame), but not enough room for the door to swing open without hitting the door trim. Got it? Could you... 1. rip off an inch or so from the door edge 2. afix offcut to cabinet 3. hinge remainder of door to offcut Yes. If all else fails, that will probably be Plan B. (Would amend your step 3 to "hinge remainder of door to cabinet", though.) Are these real wood, or (like most Ikea stuff) melamine-covered chipboard, with some sort of edge trim? If the latter, you will have trouble reworking the door. Can you post a pointer to the cabinet on the Ikea site, so we can see what it looks like? Does Ikea sell narrower replacement doors and filler panels of any sort? The cabinets are all laminate-covered particle board, but the doors are solid wood. And no, they only have doors that match the widths of their cabinets (12", 15", etc.). I'm about to rip a piece off the door, which should solve the problem nicely. Will have to dig out the cavity for the hinge a little bit on the cut-off piece, so the hinge doesn't grab that part of the door. The hinge pivot seems to be just far enough in from the edge of the cabinet that this kluge should work. (I may have to trim the door some more, but not much, I hope.) aem sends, seeing why people diss Ikea.... Ackshooly, none of this is in any way indicative of faults or shortcomings on the part of Ikea cabinets. They're actually quite appropriate to this situation (an inexpensive remodel of a garage into a living space). I'm going to write a review here on the subject any day now. -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. If there is the usual 1/4" to 1/2" space between each cabinet, and just the fronts cover that gap, you could take them all down and rip an extra 1/8 or more inch off each one. Depends on how many cabinets are on that wall. Also the cabinet at the opposite end may be able to be modified to make it narrower easier than the one you are having trouble with. |
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On 1/10/2010 6:46 AM Tony spake thus:
David Nebenzahl wrote: Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. If there is the usual 1/4" to 1/2" space between each cabinet, and just the fronts cover that gap, you could take them all down and rip an extra 1/8 or more inch off each one. Depends on how many cabinets are on that wall. Also the cabinet at the opposite end may be able to be modified to make it narrower easier than the one you are having trouble with. You don't understand (or I didn't make the installation clear enough in my description). There are two cabinets, one on each side of an all-in-one compact kitchen unit (stove/fridge/sink). There is ZERO space between anything. No way to take anything off of anything, except the one door on the cabinet at the end behind the door trim, which is what I'm going to do. (Plus the all-in-one unit can't be moved at all, since it's now plumbed in to the wall.) -- You were wrong, and I'm man enough to admit it. - a Usenet "apology" |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 1/10/2010 6:46 AM Tony spake thus: David Nebenzahl wrote: Need some special hinges, possibly some Euro-style ones. Problem: Installed a kitchen cabinet that is behind a piece of door trim. (There was no other way to do it.) There's just enough room (~1") between the cabinet and trim to mount the door, but not enough room for the door to swing with a regular hinge. The contractor who did most of the other work on this project told me to look for special hinges that would move the door laterally before swinging it to clear this obstruction. So far, I've had no luck trying to locate it calling around locally. I even called Rockler and asked them. Closest thing they have are "flipper" hinges, but those won't work here. Anyone know of such hinges? I'm guessing they would be articulated to slide the door sideways first before swinging. Any help much appreciated to get this project finished. If there is the usual 1/4" to 1/2" space between each cabinet, and just the fronts cover that gap, you could take them all down and rip an extra 1/8 or more inch off each one. Depends on how many cabinets are on that wall. Also the cabinet at the opposite end may be able to be modified to make it narrower easier than the one you are having trouble with. You don't understand (or I didn't make the installation clear enough in my description). There are two cabinets, one on each side of an all-in-one compact kitchen unit (stove/fridge/sink). There is ZERO space between anything. No way to take anything off of anything, except the one door on the cabinet at the end behind the door trim, which is what I'm going to do. (Plus the all-in-one unit can't be moved at all, since it's now plumbed in to the wall.) I see. I didn't catch that part, I pictured a wall of cabinets. |
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David Nebenzahl wrote: Well, since folks seem to take such a dislike to my posting SMALL PICTURES here, let me try to explain: Let's see, we go through the "how to post a picture somewhere else and post the link to it here" discussion about twice per day. Try it. You'll like it. |
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