I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

On Dec 21, 4:33*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

I'd go to the This Old House web site and do a search on radiators. I
recall a couple episodes in recent years, on both the main show and
the Q&A 'Ask' show, where they demonstrated how to break old radiator
connections non-destructively. I'm sure their web site has a step-by-
step somewhere. As to capping a line, if you can get back to a point
with threads on it, plumbing aisle will have caps. But if your
radiators are daisy-chained, all the downstream rooms will be cold.

--
aem sends.....

On Dec 21, 5:33*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

You could try the pipe wrenches first. Soak the fittings good with
liquid wrench overnight.
If the pipes don't budge, I usually like to sawzall the pipe off
leaving about 1" stub of pipe exposed from the fitting. Then I take
metal saw blade and by hand start sawing off sections of the stub
without damaging the threads.

On Dec 21, 4:33*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

One pipe steam, it has a valve on it. Loosen the nut on the valve at
the radiator to remove it from the system, take off the valve and
extend the pipe. Get a cap for the pipe incase the valve is bad. The
radiator must be raised to drain water back, it cant be level. You
should have to force to much, paint may make it worse. Floor
refinishers remove them every day, use 2 wrenches so you dont put to
much pressure on pipe and break it, seal joints with tape and dope.

"ransley" wrote in message
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On Dec 21, 4:33 pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

One pipe steam, it has a valve on it. Loosen the nut on the valve at
the radiator to remove it from the system, take off the valve and
extend the pipe. Get a cap for the pipe incase the valve is bad. The
radiator must be raised to drain water back, it cant be level. You
should have to force to much, paint may make it worse. Floor
refinishers remove them every day, use 2 wrenches so you dont put to
much pressure on pipe and break it, seal joints with tape and dope.

+++++++++

All of the above is correct from my experience. I have a house with steam
heat. Mine is a single pipe system. When I bought the house, I went to
http://www.heatinghelp.com/ and posted questions there. I also bought a
book from that website called "We Got Steam Heat!". It's a good book,
especially for someone like me who never had steam heat before. I
originally bought their bigger, more complete, book, but it was TMI (Too
Much Information) for me so I sent it back and exchanged it for the "We Got
Steam Heat!" book.


To post questions at http://www.heatinghelp.com/ , click on "Ask Questions"
and go to the "Main Wall" --

http://www.heatinghelp.com/forum-cat.../THE-MAIN-WALL . The person who
runs the website wrote the books on steam heat and he is an expert in steam
heat.



I once saw a plumber trying to disconnect some cast iron fittings in a house
of mine that I couldn't get off on my own. He tried and couldn't do it,
then he heated the fitting with a propane torch and the fitting came off
fairly easily. Since then, I've used that technique a few times and it
works great.

On Dec 22, 2:41*am, "Jay-T" wrote:
"ransley" wrote in message

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On Dec 21, 4:33 pm, rangerssuck wrote:





I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

One pipe steam, it has a valve on it. Loosen the nut on the valve at
the radiator to remove it from the system, take off the valve and
extend the pipe. Get a cap for the pipe incase the valve is bad. The
radiator must be raised to drain water back, it cant be level. You
should have to force to much, paint may make it worse. Floor
refinishers remove them every day, use 2 wrenches so you dont put to
much pressure on pipe and break it, seal joints with tape and dope.

+++++++++

All of the above is correct from my experience. *I have a house with steam
heat. *Mine is a single pipe system. *When I bought the house, I went tohttp://www.heatinghelp.com/and posted questions there. *I also bought a
book from that website called "We Got Steam Heat!". *It's a good book,
especially for someone like me who never had steam heat before. *I
originally bought their bigger, more complete, book, but it was TMI (Too
Much Information) for me so I sent it back and exchanged it for the "We Got
Steam Heat!" book.

To post questions athttp://www.heatinghelp.com/, click on "Ask Questions"
and go to the "Main Wall" --

http://www.heatinghelp.com/forum-cat.../THE-MAIN-WALL. *The person who
runs the website wrote the books on steam heat and he is an expert in steam
heat.

I once saw a plumber trying to disconnect some cast iron fittings in a house
of mine that I couldn't get off on my own. *He tried and couldn't do it,
then he heated the fitting with a propane torch and the fitting came off
fairly easily. *Since then, I've used that technique a few times and it
works great.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

TheWall is a good place, I have a few of dans books but havnt read
them. Althvac is where you go for punishment

I once saw a plumber trying to disconnect some cast iron fittings in a house
of mine that I couldn't get off on my own. *He tried and couldn't do it,
then he heated the fitting with a propane torch and the fitting came off
fairly easily. *Since then, I've used that technique a few times and it
works great.- Hide quoted text -


I saw a plumber use a "chain wrench" on a steam fitting. It was a
piece of bicycle chain with a handle and it can fit into tight spaces,
you just need to get the chain arond the bolt and hook it in a
loop... worked great...

Mark

On Dec 21, 5:33*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

Heat works good. Propane or mapp. Crean the edges of the fittings
now with a wire brush and start soaking them with penerating oil.
Add a little oil a couple times a day for as long as you can.

jamesgangnc wrote:
On Dec 21, 5:33 pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36"
wrench. IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local
supply shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings
with a hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're
over a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those
things? Is there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1"
steam pipe to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the
rest of the house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

Heat works good. Propane or mapp. Crean the edges of the fittings
now with a wire brush and start soaking them with penerating oil.
Add a little oil a couple times a day for as long as you can.

I am not sure, but maybe it wouldn't be a good idea to add oil before using
heat, so the oil doesn't ignite. Maybe there is so little oil that would be
left on the fitting that it wouldn't matter. It's just something I would be
thinking about.

"rangerssuck" wrote in message
...
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

I have had steam heat since 1970 and have done any and all repair work
myself. If it becomes necessary to break a joint at an elbow its easy. Use
two hammers, one to hold firmly against the elbow or tee and another to
smack it on the other side. The joint fitting will crack making it easy to
turn it off the pipe. Then just clean up the threads and go on from there.

On Dec 21, 5:33*pm, rangerssuck wrote:
I have a steam radiator that I want to move a couple of feet. All the
pipe is exposed in the basement. I have a 24" wrench and a 36" wrench.
IF I can loosen the pipe, all is well. One guy at the local supply
shop said that it's likely that If I just smack the fittings with a
hammer, they'll break right off, but I don't know about that.

So, what if it doesn't go well? What if I have to cut the pipe off? I
know I can use a Dresser coupling, but the local guy says they're over
a hundred bucks. Is there a good internet source for those things? Is
there some sort of expanding plug that could go into a 1" steam pipe
to temporarily seal it so I can still have heat in the rest of the
house while dealing with this?

This stuff has been screwed together for either 60 or 90 years. Would
some sort of penetrating oil maybe help?

I know I could hire someone to do this, but I'm up for an adventure.

Thanks.

Well...It was a tough fight, but not nearly as tough as I was
expecting. A few highlights:
1) I don't think the penetrating oil (PB Blaster a couple of times a
day for three days) did any good at all, but it did stink up the
house.

2) I backed up the 90° and 45° elbows with a 10 pound sledge and
wailed on them with a 3 pound maul. I was able to make a barely
noticeable dent, but not any hint of a crack

3) After beating the hell out of one fitting, I was finally able to
unscrew (with a 3-foot wrench) the nipple that went through the floor,
connecting the radiator valve. I decided to just replace the valve for
20 bucks rather than try to separate it from the nipple.

4) The only other elbow I needed to remove wouldn't budge with the 3-
foot wrench. I ended up cutting through it, *almost* to the threads,
in two places with a 4 1/2" angle grinder. It then came off with the
big wrench and a LOT of muscle.

5) My local Home Depot does NOT rent pipe threading equipment

6) I gave the HD guy an accurate dimension for the pipe I needed, and
he made it 1 3/4" too long, so I got to go back

7) Everything else went together just fine, No leaks, no knocking. The
radiator is in its new home, It looks like a pro did the job. My wife
is happy (and that's really all that counts)

8) I'm REALLY glad that when Harbor Freight was out of stock on the
36" aluminum wrench that I chose to get the 36" steel wrench instead
of a second 24" aluminum one. This job simply would not have happened
with a 24" (or two 24") wrench(es).

And lastly but not leastly:

9) Thanks to all of you for your support, and thanks to my brother
for holding the other wrench. As I told him, "I'm not going to say I
couldn't have done this without you, but I will say that I wouldn't
have tried it."