For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:47:09 -0700, Kate wrote:

For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!


Kate,

Don't have your exact answer, I've seen many types of railings mounted
in concrete, after allowed to cure. A hole is cored and epoxy (?) is
used. (keep it in the correct position while the epoxy cures) Look
around at various "public" buildings with handicap access

Best example I found of this is he

pic

http://www.hamptonconcrete.com/files...oliccement.jpg

Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
I drilled a hole using a [proper bit, then installed a star bolt in the
hole to fasten the railing mounting base.(you'll have maybe three or
four being 8' long)

Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
After concrete cures enough. drill and install star nut. And bolt onto it.

"Kate" wrote in message
...
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by my
front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder coated
aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.


http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until the
concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would be
sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete decks,
simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if they go the
aluminum route.


*You can drill and hope that you don't hit a stone or rebar in either case
you would have to move your hole. Drilling is not the most secure as anchors
can become loose from excessive stresses put on the rail. I suppose an
epoxy based system would be the best in this respect. Having the bolts go
in while the concrete is soft is optimum. Even better is to have them
secured to rebar before the pour. You should contact the rail manufacturer
for a template of the bolt placement.

"Kate" wrote in message
...
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by my
front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.


http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate

Around here, it's done all the time. Lags & shield. You'll of course need a
masonry bit, lags & shields can be bought by the piece, not necessarily by
the box. For example:
http://www.confast.com/products/lag-shield-anchor.aspx

Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate


Hard to say without seeing the railing and how it mounts. The photos
are about useless since they take wood posts and you are using aluminum.
I suggest picking out a railing then come back here with some specs.

Oren wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:47:09 -0700, Kate wrote:

For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!
UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!


Kate,

Don't have your exact answer, I've seen many types of railings mounted
in concrete, after allowed to cure. A hole is cored and epoxy (?) is
used. (keep it in the correct position while the epoxy cures) Look
around at various "public" buildings with handicap access

Best example I found of this is he

pic

http://www.hamptonconcrete.com/files...oliccement.jpg



That picture is exactly what I was trying to describe.

Thanks for the info., as well as the tip on epoxy. Much appreciated.

Tony Hwang wrote:
Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry
bit and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that
special tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way
would be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had
concrete decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one,
esp. if they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
I drilled a hole using a [proper bit, then installed a star bolt in the
hole to fasten the railing mounting base.(you'll have maybe three or
four being 8' long)

OK, now I am feeling better about my plan. One end will be mounted to
the siding of my house, and the other two posts will each have four
holes each that will need to be drilled/mounted.

Thank you!

John Grabowski wrote:

"Kate" wrote in message
...
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry
bit and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that
special tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.


http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way
would be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had
concrete decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one,
esp. if they go the aluminum route.


*You can drill and hope that you don't hit a stone or rebar in either
case you would have to move your hole. Drilling is not the most secure
as anchors can become loose from excessive stresses put on the rail. I
suppose an epoxy based system would be the best in this respect. Having
the bolts go in while the concrete is soft is optimum. Even better is
to have them secured to rebar before the pour. You should contact the
rail manufacturer for a template of the bolt placement.

Thank you. I love this newsgroup. I appreciate all the great info. given.

Larry Smead wrote:
"Kate" wrote in message
...
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by my
front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.


http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!
UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate

Around here, it's done all the time. Lags & shield. You'll of course need a
masonry bit, lags & shields can be bought by the piece, not necessarily by
the box. For example:
http://www.confast.com/products/lag-shield-anchor.aspx


I made a photocopy of that item so I can look around for it. This is all very helpful. Thanks.





















..

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:27:09 -0700, Kate wrote:

Oren wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:47:09 -0700, Kate wrote:

For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8' long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry bit
and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that special
tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw

this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!
UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way would
be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had concrete
decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one, esp. if
they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!


Kate,

Don't have your exact answer, I've seen many types of railings mounted
in concrete, after allowed to cure. A hole is cored and epoxy (?) is
used. (keep it in the correct position while the epoxy cures) Look
around at various "public" buildings with handicap access

Best example I found of this is he

pic

http://www.hamptonconcrete.com/files...oliccement.jpg



That picture is exactly what I was trying to describe.

Thanks for the info., as well as the tip on epoxy. Much appreciated.

P.S. The pic is named "railing hydrologic cement", so check that out.

A welding/metal shop could fabricate a steel rail from tubing.
Stronger than Aluminum.

Tony Hwang wrote:
Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck by
my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry
bit and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that
special tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go until
the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way
would be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had
concrete decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new one,
esp. if they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
After concrete cures enough. drill and install star nut. And bolt onto it.

Back in the stone age, we would take our best guess as to where the
railing mounts would be, and shove an aluminum pop can into the concrete
at that point. Once railings showed up, and the porch had sort-of cured,
we'd tug the pop cans out, and set the anchor sockets in the hole with
fast-setting cement. Probably not as strong as setting the bolts in the
original pour, but stronger than epoxy-setting the bolts in drilled holes.

I'd aim at having holes for the vertical rails to drop down into, rather
than bolting to a flat surface. Not likely the rails will ever be pulled
UP strongly, but they definitely need to be strong against sideways
forces. You can always kid-proof them with wedges in the sides of the holes.

--
aem sends...

OK, now I am feeling better about my plan. One end will be mounted to the
siding of my house, and the other two posts will each have four holes each
that will need to be drilled/mounted.

Here's what they use around here.

http://www.buildextapcon.com/products.asp

http://www.buildextapcon.com/TapconC...ableSizes.html

They're Blue screws made for this type of application and are available at
Home Depot/Lowes etc in the hardware aisle. Comes complete with the
appropriate concrete drill bit in the package.
For your application, I'd use the HEX HEAD: 3/16" X 2 3/4" or 1/4" X 2 3/4"

I' ve used these several times for anchoring door frame, aluminum railing
base and even (2X4 & 2X6) lumber bottom plate to concrete. They work
well.
Just drill slowly and carefully ( dont have the drill set on High speed). I
like to pull the bit out every 1/2 - 1" inch or so and suck the dust out of
the hole with a Shop Vac. Make sure the hole is "clean" before inserting
the Blu Screw and use a socket drive to turn it down.

NOTE: the website says MAX imbedding: 1 3/4" so if you re going with a
regular aluminum flange ~ 3/16", then I'd go with the 1 3/4" ones. Less
drilling anyway.

"Rudy" wrote in message
...
OK, now I am feeling better about my plan. One end will be mounted to
the siding of my house, and the other two posts will each have four holes
each that will need to be drilled/mounted.

Here's what they use around here.

http://www.buildextapcon.com/products.asp

http://www.buildextapcon.com/TapconC...ableSizes.html

They're Blue screws made for this type of application and are available at
Home Depot/Lowes etc in the hardware aisle. Comes complete with the
appropriate concrete drill bit in the package.
For your application, I'd use the HEX HEAD: 3/16" X 2 3/4" or 1/4" X 2
3/4"

I' ve used these several times for anchoring door frame, aluminum railing
base and even (2X4 & 2X6) lumber bottom plate to concrete. They work
well.
Just drill slowly and carefully ( dont have the drill set on High speed).
I like to pull the bit out every 1/2 - 1" inch or so and suck the dust out
of the hole with a Shop Vac. Make sure the hole is "clean" before
inserting the Blu Screw and use a socket drive to turn it down.

Rudy wrote:
OK, now I am feeling better about my plan. One end will be mounted to the
siding of my house, and the other two posts will each have four holes each
that will need to be drilled/mounted.

Here's what they use around here.

http://www.buildextapcon.com/products.asp

http://www.buildextapcon.com/TapconC...ableSizes.html

They're Blue screws made for this type of application and are available at
Home Depot/Lowes etc in the hardware aisle. Comes complete with the
appropriate concrete drill bit in the package.
For your application, I'd use the HEX HEAD: 3/16" X 2 3/4" or 1/4" X 2 3/4"

I' ve used these several times for anchoring door frame, aluminum railing
base and even (2X4 & 2X6) lumber bottom plate to concrete. They work
well.
Just drill slowly and carefully ( dont have the drill set on High speed). I
like to pull the bit out every 1/2 - 1" inch or so and suck the dust out of
the hole with a Shop Vac. Make sure the hole is "clean" before inserting
the Blu Screw and use a socket drive to turn it down.


This is excellent info. I have gotten so many great ideas that I have
my homework cut out for me. This is exactly what I am looking for to
finish the project.

I will report back in around three weeks to let everyone know how it went.

The concrete man is starting tomorrow.

Many thanks.

Rudy wrote:
NOTE: the website says MAX imbedding: 1 3/4" so if you re going with a
regular aluminum flange ~ 3/16", then I'd go with the 1 3/4" ones. Less
drilling anyway.

"Rudy" wrote in message
...
OK, now I am feeling better about my plan. One end will be mounted to
the siding of my house, and the other two posts will each have four holes
each that will need to be drilled/mounted.
Here's what they use around here.

http://www.buildextapcon.com/products.asp

http://www.buildextapcon.com/TapconC...ableSizes.html

They're Blue screws made for this type of application and are available at
Home Depot/Lowes etc in the hardware aisle. Comes complete with the
appropriate concrete drill bit in the package.
For your application, I'd use the HEX HEAD: 3/16" X 2 3/4" or 1/4" X 2
3/4"

I' ve used these several times for anchoring door frame, aluminum railing
base and even (2X4 & 2X6) lumber bottom plate to concrete. They work
well.
Just drill slowly and carefully ( dont have the drill set on High speed).
I like to pull the bit out every 1/2 - 1" inch or so and suck the dust out
of the hole with a Shop Vac. Make sure the hole is "clean" before
inserting the Blu Screw and use a socket drive to turn it down.



Noted with thanks.

aemeijers wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:
Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck
by my front door. It was redwood, and it is being replaced with
concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry
bit and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? I know that
special tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
which you will build the unit which you need to anchor to the
concrete foundation. It is 100% TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

THERE is no single person i know who would drill into any properly
laid concrete foundation for this purpose. Even if you did -= you
woluld have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
would work correctly.

http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...FQtN5QoddRDBIw


this page shows the brackets (and there are literally tons of
different ones available) - you need to have them and the threaded
rods there ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

I will say it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go
until the concrete is poured. I don't even have the railing ordered
yet.

So, help please! What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? It seems this way
would be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had
concrete decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new
one, esp. if they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
After concrete cures enough. drill and install star nut. And bolt onto
it.

Back in the stone age, we would take our best guess as to where the
railing mounts would be, and shove an aluminum pop can into the concrete
at that point. Once railings showed up, and the porch had sort-of cured,
we'd tug the pop cans out, and set the anchor sockets in the hole with
fast-setting cement. Probably not as strong as setting the bolts in the
original pour, but stronger than epoxy-setting the bolts in drilled holes.

I'd aim at having holes for the vertical rails to drop down into, rather
than bolting to a flat surface. Not likely the rails will ever be pulled
UP strongly, but they definitely need to be strong against sideways
forces. You can always kid-proof them with wedges in the sides of the
holes.

--
aem sends...

Interesting story the pop can. I am printing out all of this great
info. and giving it to a friend who will be helping me with the railing.

Many thanks.

On Sep 4, 1:13�am, Kate wrote:
aemeijers wrote:
Tony Hwang wrote:
Kate wrote:
For those of you following this thread, or not, I have a small deck
by my front door. �It was redwood, and it is being replaced with
concrete.

The wood railing has been removed, and being replaced with a powder
coated aluminum railing. �The railing is small and measures appx. 8'
long.

What is the best way to mount the new railing into the new concrete
after it has cured for about two weeks?

Can we (a friend will be helping me with this) simply use a masonry
bit and a drill to mount the railing to the concrete? �I know that
special tools need to be used.

A friend to mine says that:

QUOTE

� You are missing the point. The concrete will be the flat surface upon
�which �you �will �build �the �unit �which �you need to anchor to the
�concrete �foundation. �It �is �100% �TOTALLY commonplace to sink long
�bolts into the concrete for this purpose.

�THERE �is �no �single person i know who would drill into any properly
�laid �concrete �foundation �for �this purpose. Even if you did -= you
�woluld �have to wait weeks for the cement to cure properly so that it
�would work correctly.

�http://www.permacolumn.com/Sturdi-Wa...N7ZvsmW1pwCFQt...

�this �page �shows �the �brackets �(and �there �are �literally tons of
�different �ones �available) �- you need to have them and the threaded
�rods �there �ready to simply push into the soft cement. THen they dry
�in place, totally secure with no chance of damage to the concrete.

�I �will �say �it again -= you SHOULD NOT DRILL into the concrete base
�period!

UNQUOTE

The cement contractor said it is difficult to mount bolts into the
concrete because we don't exactly know where those bolts will go
until the concrete is poured. �I don't even have the railing ordered
yet.

So, help please! �What would you do?

Am I safe to drill directly into the concrete? �It seems this way
would be sufficient. My feeling is that surely others who have had
concrete decks, simply removed an old railing an drilled in a new
one, esp. if they go the aluminum route.

Many thanks!

Kate
Hi,
After concrete cures enough. drill and install star nut. And bolt onto
it.

Back in the stone age, we would take our best guess as to where the
railing mounts would be, and shove an aluminum pop can into the concrete
at that point. Once railings showed up, and the porch had sort-of cured,
we'd tug the pop cans out, and set the anchor sockets in the hole with
fast-setting cement. Probably not as strong as setting the bolts in the
original pour, but stronger than epoxy-setting the bolts in drilled holes.

I'd aim at having holes for the vertical rails to drop down into, rather
than bolting to a flat surface. Not likely the rails will ever be pulled
UP strongly, but they definitely need to be strong against sideways
forces. You can always kid-proof them with wedges in the sides of the
holes.

--
aem sends...

Interesting story the pop can. �I am printing out all of this great
info. and giving it to a friend who will be helping me with the railing.

Many thanks.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


neighbors upgraded to Aluminum. railings, almost useless weak , in a
fall may well break away and person fall 10 feet. these bolted to the
surface.

far better to cement in a strong railing into the slab.