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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal


You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.


"José Illegal" also works in construction, has NO
Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".


Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week = $52,000 per year. Now take away 30% for state and federal tax. Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.


José Illegal... $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week = $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays for Medical and Dental Insurance with limited
coverage.... $1000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00.


José Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state
and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. José Illegal still has
$31,200.00 .

Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps or Welfare so Joe Legal pays for food... $1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.


José llegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. José Illegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal pays rent of$1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole $4,769.00.


José Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month = $6,000.00 per
year. José llegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays and gets a part time job after work to make ends meet.


José Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.


Joe Legal's and José Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while José Illegal’s
children get free government sponsored lunches.



Joe Legal's children go home after school. José Illegal's children have an after school ESL program which, again, is provided free of charge.


Joe Legal and José Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire
Services, but Joe Legal paid for them and José Illegal did not pay.

Deport all illegals, a burst of prosperity of mind-boggling dimension.

tt

http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare

http://www.theoccidentalreporter.net/ Occidental Reporter

thomas shoup wrote:
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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal


You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.

[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?

On Sep 2, 1:31*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
thomas shoup wrote:
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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal

* * * *Joe Legal vs José Illegal

You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
* * * *Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
* * * *and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.

[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?

Only if you don't care how well it's done. I wouldn't trust a roofing
contractor who used illegals not to cheat on the quality of materials
used.

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:31:16 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

thomas shoup wrote:
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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal


You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.

[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?



Yes, and landscaping too. The illegals are an important part of labor
in the USA. Plus, unlike most Americans, they work all day and don't
complain. For the most part they are left alone, in hopes of becoming
legals and casting their votes.

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT), thomas shoup
wrote:

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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal


You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.


"José Illegal" also works in construction, has NO
Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".


Joe Legal...$25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week = $52,000 per year. Now take away 30% for state and federal tax. Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.


José Illegal... $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week = $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays for Medical and Dental Insurance with limited
coverage.... $1000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $19,231.00.


José Illegal has full Medical and Dental coverage through the state
and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. José Illegal still has
$31,200.00 .

Joe Legal makes too much money to be eligible for Food Stamps or Welfare so Joe Legal pays for food... $1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.


José llegal has no documented income and is eligible for Food Stamps and Welfare. José Illegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal pays rent of$1,000.00 per month = $12,000.00 per year. Joe Legal is now in the hole $4,769.00.


José Illegal receives a $500 per month Federal rent subsidy, which entirely pays his rent of $500.00 per month = $6,000.00 per
year. José llegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays and gets a part time job after work to make ends meet.


José Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.


Joe Legal's and José Illegal's children both attend the same school.

Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while José Illegal’s
children get free government sponsored lunches.



Joe Legal's children go home after school. José Illegal's children have an after school ESL program which, again, is provided free of charge.


Joe Legal and José Illegal both enjoy the same Police and Fire
Services, but Joe Legal paid for them and José Illegal did not pay.

Deport all illegals, a burst of prosperity of mind-boggling dimension.

tt

http://www.vdare.com/ V-Dare

http://www.theoccidentalreporter.net/ Occidental Reporter


The illegals in my neck of the woods are mostly Asian. Mostly hard
working folks, not a single one named Jose.


By the way, Joe Legal takes plenty of cash and manages not to report
it. I subsidize him since I get a salary and have to report it.

On Sep 3, 9:26*am, wrote:

There are an astounding number of illegals with blond hair and blue
eyes, too. They come from places with suspicious names like Ireland to
work as au pairs, or go to school, and when their permits run out,
they decide to stay anyway.

I guess that's what they mean by a nanny state.

R

On Sep 3, 6:03*am, Phisherman wrote:
On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:31:16 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:





thomas shoup wrote:
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Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal

* * * *Joe Legal vs José Illegal

You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
* * * *Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
* * * *and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.

[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?

Yes, and landscaping too. *The illegals are an important part of labor
in the USA. *Plus, unlike most Americans, they work all day and don't
complain. *For the most part they are left alone, in hopes of becoming
legals and casting their votes.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I used to pay $35 per week for a crew to do my yard. It would take
them about 30 minutes on average for three of them to mow, edge, and
clean up. When I found out that they were illegals I fired them and
took over the job myself. I am 63 years old and can accomplish the
exact same job that three people used to take 30 minutes to do in
exactly the same time. That includes getting the mower, edger, and
blower out, doing all the work, and putting everything up.

A few years back I hired three of them at the local day-labor sight to
help me with a major landscaping project. Picked them up at 8am on
Friday and offered them 3 full days work apiece at $9 per hour. (The
going rate at the time was $8) What a friggen joke. I ended up doing
the majority of the work myself so after two days, I paid them for 3
and told them go home. They spent most of their time talking,
singing, or eating but very little working. I finished the job the
next day without them and was much happier with the results.

Yes, they may "work" all day without complaining but they can waste
more time doing it than anyone around.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:03:40 -0400, Phisherman
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:31:16 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

thomas shoup wrote:
----------
Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal


You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.

[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?



Yes, and landscaping too. The illegals are an important part of labor
in the USA. Plus, unlike most Americans, they work all day and don't
complain. For the most part they are left alone, in hopes of becoming
legals and casting their votes.

Not these.

Don't forget about these guys.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/fugitives/fuglist.htm
Pick a state. Any state
Coming to a city near you.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:44:30 -0400, dgk wrote:

The illegals in my neck of the woods are mostly Asian. Mostly hard
working folks, not a single one named Jose.


By the way, Joe Legal takes plenty of cash and manages not to report
it. I subsidize him since I get a salary and have to report it.

There are an astounding number of illegals with blond hair and blue
eyes, too. They come from places with suspicious names like Ireland to
work as au pairs, or go to school, and when their permits run out,
they decide to stay anyway.

Deport them all. Probably about 100K europeans, and 1 million asians
to make the list. But the mestizo illegal population may be as high as
20 million. No demographer believes that "gummint" number of 12
million.

ted

Metspitzer wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:03:40 -0400, Phisherman
wrote:

On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:31:16 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:

thomas shoup wrote:
----------
Subject: Fwd: Joe Legal versus Jose Illegal


Joe Legal vs José Illegal

You have 2 families... "Joe Legal" and "José
Illegal" . Both families have 2 parents, 2
children and live in California .

Joe Legal" works in construction, has a Social Security Number,
and makes $25.00 per hour with payroll taxes
deducted.
[...]

So, you're saying if I want my roof done cheaper, I should use Jose Illegal?


Yes, and landscaping too. The illegals are an important part of labor
in the USA. Plus, unlike most Americans, they work all day and don't
complain. For the most part they are left alone, in hopes of becoming
legals and casting their votes.

Not these.

Don't forget about these guys.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/fugitives/fuglist.htm
Pick a state. Any state
Coming to a city near you.


Oh my god, they're looking for a guy named Castro and another
named Long Dang. At least the criminals have interesting names.

TDD

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:49:56 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:44:30 -0400, dgk wrote:

The illegals in my neck of the woods are mostly Asian. Mostly hard
working folks, not a single one named Jose.


By the way, Joe Legal takes plenty of cash and manages not to report
it. I subsidize him since I get a salary and have to report it.

There are an astounding number of illegals with blond hair and blue
eyes, too. They come from places with suspicious names like Ireland to
work as au pairs, or go to school, and when their permits run out,
they decide to stay anyway.

Deport them all. Probably about 100K europeans, and 1 million asians
to make the list. But the mestizo illegal population may be as high as
20 million. No demographer believes that "gummint" number of 12
million.

ted

The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Phisherman wrote:

The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Why is it the government paperwork for painting a house can take six months
and the paperwork for deporting an illegal can be done with a rubber stamp?

Me, I'd put the captured illegals in tent cities for 90 days while the
forms, writs, appeals, briefs, pantagruels, depositions, transcripts,
research, and notarizations "matured." Then ship 'em off.

HeyBub wrote:
Phisherman wrote:
The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Why is it the government paperwork for painting a house can take six months
and the paperwork for deporting an illegal can be done with a rubber stamp?

Me, I'd put the captured illegals in tent cities for 90 days while the
forms, writs, appeals, briefs, pantagruels, depositions, transcripts,
research, and notarizations "matured." Then ship 'em off.



Perhaps we can convince the government to use the FEMA
concentration camps for that purpose rather than for
rounding up citizens.

TDD

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Phisherman wrote:

The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Why is it the government paperwork for painting a house can take six
months and the paperwork for deporting an illegal can be done with a
rubber stamp?

Me, I'd put the captured illegals in tent cities for 90 days while the
forms, writs, appeals, briefs, pantagruels, depositions, transcripts,
research, and notarizations "matured." Then ship 'em off.

we already do that. dags 'sheriff joe tent city'

In article ,
"HeyBub" wrote:

Phisherman wrote:

The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Why is it the government paperwork for painting a house can take six months
and the paperwork for deporting an illegal can be done with a rubber stamp?
They can't usually. Google immigration and "catch and release" for
more.

--
Searching is half the fun: life is much more manageable when thought
of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.
Jimmy Buffett

Phisherman wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:49:56 -0700, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 09:26:13 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:44:30 -0400, dgk wrote:

The illegals in my neck of the woods are mostly Asian. Mostly hard
working folks, not a single one named Jose.


By the way, Joe Legal takes plenty of cash and manages not to report
it. I subsidize him since I get a salary and have to report it.
There are an astounding number of illegals with blond hair and blue
eyes, too. They come from places with suspicious names like Ireland to
work as au pairs, or go to school, and when their permits run out,
they decide to stay anyway.
Deport them all. Probably about 100K europeans, and 1 million asians
to make the list. But the mestizo illegal population may be as high as
20 million. No demographer believes that "gummint" number of 12
million.

ted

The illegals have been deported for many years at your tax-payer's
expense. The majority of them return to the US, mostly for work

Hey, the brownish or copper-colored folks were in that part of the world
long before the white man was. Just because some Anglo drew a line on
map is no big reason for them to change the perimeter of their universe.
Happens on the northern and far-northern US borders, too.

We've beat this to death on here before countless times. They don't have
enough cops, judges, jails, or buses, to deport them all. And if they
somehow magically did, within a year the Mexican economy and government
would implode, and then ALL of them would be coming up here looking for
work.

--
aem sends...

wrote:
Deport them all. Probably about 100K europeans, and 1 million asians
to make the list. But the mestizo illegal population may be as high as
20 million. No demographer believes that "gummint" number of 12
million.
The first thing Domocrat gov Beebee of Arkansas did was put the hammer
down on corps that had illegals. The current state deficit is 130 mill.
What did Republican gov Schwarzenegger do? And what is the CA deficit?

I'm all right with deporting, but to do that effectively, you need a
NATIONAL ID system so that ineffective governors cant ignore the problem.

And while there are Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Northern European
illegals, because they all evolved in agrarian village cultures, they
have similar instinctive behavior patterns that integrate well with
American culture. Those from tropical hunting or landed aristocracy
cultures dont. Gyspies dont integrate well either, but they are a
nomadic, not a farming culture, so skin color is not the factor.