I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few days ago I
hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer lines to make sure
they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in each bathroom but the 3"
main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one of the
lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house that merged
after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot of buildup and
scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no longer circular but
more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if it's even
possible). The other option suggested by the plumber is to lay a new PVC
pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8" wide trench along my 4"
concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in from the three bath, each of
those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet in length. Obviously this is a
drastic approach and the most costly approach.

My question is, what is the life expectancy of a cast iron pipe? 25 years?
50 years? 100 years? Mine has been in the ground since 1972 in the hot and
humid Miami weather with a high water table, near the ocean so water may
have salt.

It is "normal" cast iron pipe (SV) and not XH if that helps.

Thanks,

MC

Sorry the subject line is misleading. I had another related subject I was
going to post and the titles got cross wired.

I have done a video inspection and the camera revealed that some
construction debris (tiles, thinset chunks, possible pieces of a toilet
bowl) was in my 3" line about 3 feet downstream of the toilet flange. Most
likely the demolition crew did not cover up the toilet flange when they
worked and things fell in.

Any idea on how I can get them out?

Thanks,

MC

It does kind of depend on how big the chunks are, what the chunks
are made of, and how far you would have to push them. You might
try a shop vac to see if you can suck them back up. This would
certainly be the very best solution. If this fails you might use
a drain king to see about forcing it on to the city main, but you
mentioned elsewhere that it might be 75 feet or more.

What did the plumber suggest? There are retriever heads for a
plumbers snake, but they would be very dependent on shape and
material of debris.

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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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Sorry the subject line is misleading. I had another related
subject I was going to post and the titles got cross wired.

I have done a video inspection and the camera revealed that some
construction debris (tiles, thinset chunks, possible pieces of a
toilet bowl) was in my 3" line about 3 feet downstream of the
toilet flange. Most likely the demolition crew did not cover up
the toilet flange when they worked and things fell in.

Any idea on how I can get them out?

Thanks,

MC

MiamiCuse wrote:
I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few
days ago I hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer
lines to make sure they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in
each bathroom but the 3" main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one
of the lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house
that merged after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot
of buildup and scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no
longer circular but more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if
it's even possible). The other option suggested by the plumber is to
lay a new PVC pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8"
wide trench along my 4" concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in
from the three bath, each of those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet
in length. Obviously this is a drastic approach and the most costly
approach.

If you are going to have to replace the sewer lateral, it may be less costly
and less difficult to reroute the three pipes and the main lateral so that
as little as possible runs the length of the driveway but runs under lawn
and only need to angle over to tie into the city owned portion of the run.

EXT wrote:
MiamiCuse wrote:
I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few
days ago I hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer
lines to make sure they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in
each bathroom but the 3" main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one
of the lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house
that merged after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot
of buildup and scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no
longer circular but more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if
it's even possible). The other option suggested by the plumber is to
lay a new PVC pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8"
wide trench along my 4" concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in
from the three bath, each of those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet
in length. Obviously this is a drastic approach and the most costly
approach.

If you are going to have to replace the sewer lateral, it may be less
costly and less difficult to reroute the three pipes and the main
lateral so that as little as possible runs the length of the driveway
but runs under lawn and only need to angle over to tie into the city
owned portion of the run.
Speaking from experience- bite the bullet and get it all over with.
Replace the whole thing. Follow the cheapest layout, which may not be
the same as what is down there now.

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aem sends...

"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few days ago
I hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer lines to make
sure they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in each bathroom but
the 3" main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one of
the lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house that
merged after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot of
buildup and scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no longer
circular but more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if it's
even possible).

Why not have a company like Roto Rooter clean out pipes? They also have
drain cameras.
You should be able to show them your tape and get there opinion.

http://www.rotorooter.com/residentia...inspection.php


The other option suggested by the plumber is to lay a new PVC
pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8" wide trench along my
4" concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in from the three bath, each
of those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet in length. Obviously this is a
drastic approach and the most costly approach.

My question is, what is the life expectancy of a cast iron pipe? 25
years? 50 years? 100 years? Mine has been in the ground since 1972 in
the hot and humid Miami weather with a high water table, near the ocean so
water may have salt.

I read on a website that 50 to 100+ years is possible, but it depends on the
quality (thickness) of the original pipe. Older pipe was thicker, some
newer pipe was made thinner to cut costs.

You could get bids for cleaning and replacement, I'm betting the cleaning
would be a lot cheaper.

Cheers,
Jim

"Jim" wrote in message
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"MiamiCuse" wrote in message
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I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few days ago
I hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer lines to make
sure they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in each bathroom but
the 3" main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one of
the lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house that
merged after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot of
buildup and scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no longer
circular but more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if it's
even possible).

Why not have a company like Roto Rooter clean out pipes? They also have
drain cameras.
You should be able to show them your tape and get there opinion.

http://www.rotorooter.com/residentia...inspection.php


Well I already did. Actually had two opinions so far. One suggested
replacement, but again, sometimes it's hard to tell if they say what they
say becuase it's the real situation, or because they wanted to do the repair
work they are recommending. The next one says the pipe has a lot of
corrosions and build up and need to be cleaned. However, it's not your
normal grease or junk in the pipe, this is "icicles looking" formation on
the inside surface of the pipe formed by the corrosion and needs to be cut
out with specialized nozzles, which in itself may cut or damage the pipe if
not done right. So yes, cleaning is an option, with special nozzle cuts
($1000 minimum for 1 hour), followed by snaking ($300), followed by hudrojet
from downstream ($500), followed by video inspection ($600) and then see if
I need to replace the line (which by then if I decide to I am already $2500
in the hole). I guess I am between a cast iron pipe and a hard place.


The other option suggested by the plumber is to lay a new PVC
pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8" wide trench along my
4" concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in from the three bath, each
of those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet in length. Obviously this is a
drastic approach and the most costly approach.

My question is, what is the life expectancy of a cast iron pipe? 25
years? 50 years? 100 years? Mine has been in the ground since 1972 in
the hot and humid Miami weather with a high water table, near the ocean
so water may have salt.

I read on a website that 50 to 100+ years is possible, but it depends on
the quality (thickness) of the original pipe. Older pipe was thicker,
some newer pipe was made thinner to cut costs.

You could get bids for cleaning and replacement, I'm betting the cleaning
would be a lot cheaper.

Cheers,
Jim

One additional question...

If I do make a cut in my slab that is 8" wide, and 72 feet long (a straight
cut), how would this affect the structural integrity of my monolithic slab?

I heard of VAC-CON or Core Drilling as methods to create holes underground,
are those applicable methods here for residential 3" line? but then again,
I don't know where other utilities are there are other deck drain and water
supply lines under the house.

MC

On May 23, 9:52*am, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
One additional question...

If I do make a cut in my slab that is 8" wide, and 72 feet long (a straight
cut), how would this affect the structural integrity of my monolithic slab?

If the existing driveway is in good condition without cracks or any
serious note, not much. I'd get it over with, cut the driveway, run
the line(s) and then fill in the cuts with brick. You were asking
earlier about how to edge your driveway - the brick would be one way
to tie it in.

I heard of VAC-CON or Core Drilling as methods to create holes underground,
are those applicable methods here for residential 3" line? *but then again,
I don't know where other utilities are there are other deck drain and water
supply lines under the house.

You're in FL, and I'm not sure what sort of soil you have - presumably
sand - so you might have a problem with boring through the soil under
the driveway. The sand might keep collapsing. The local contractors
specializing in that stuff will have better information on what's
standard in your area.

R

RicodJour:

The cut in the slab is for the inside of the house. The driveway is not a
problem was I can find an alternate bath to tie in outside. I may need to
cut the inside building slab for a 72 feet long trench 8" wide to install a
new 3" PVC main.

I did ask about a wall around the driveway which is a different property I
have. That project I finished will post pics here soon.

This is a totally different nightmare...

MC


"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On May 23, 9:52 am, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
One additional question...

If I do make a cut in my slab that is 8" wide, and 72 feet long (a
straight
cut), how would this affect the structural integrity of my monolithic
slab?

If the existing driveway is in good condition without cracks or any
serious note, not much. I'd get it over with, cut the driveway, run
the line(s) and then fill in the cuts with brick. You were asking
earlier about how to edge your driveway - the brick would be one way
to tie it in.

I heard of VAC-CON or Core Drilling as methods to create holes
underground,
are those applicable methods here for residential 3" line? but then again,
I don't know where other utilities are there are other deck drain and
water
supply lines under the house.

You're in FL, and I'm not sure what sort of soil you have - presumably
sand - so you might have a problem with boring through the soil under
the driveway. The sand might keep collapsing. The local contractors
specializing in that stuff will have better information on what's
standard in your area.

R

MiamiCuse wrote:
I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few days ago I
hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer lines to make sure
they are all ok. I have reconfigured my drains in each bathroom but the 3"
main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one of the
lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house that merged
after the driveway into the main cleanout). It has a lot of buildup and
scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no longer circular but
more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if it's even
possible). The other option suggested by the plumber is to lay a new PVC
pipe. This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8" wide trench along my 4"
concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in from the three bath, each of
those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet in length. Obviously this is a
drastic approach and the most costly approach.

My question is, what is the life expectancy of a cast iron pipe? 25 years?
50 years? 100 years? Mine has been in the ground since 1972 in the hot and
humid Miami weather with a high water table, near the ocean so water may
have salt.

It is "normal" cast iron pipe (SV) and not XH if that helps.

Thanks,

MC



My uneducated guess would be about 30 years. After the fourth sewer
reaming in about 4 years, the city scoped the sewer line. The condo
assn. had it cleaned after that and the comment by the plumber was that
it would be shiny clean but was nearing the end of it's useful life.
The condo assn. had it scoped again shortly after that. I saw the pix,
and they look like what you describe. The bottom of the pipe rusted
away entirely. The condo was build around '75. Comment by the plumber
was that sugar and salt hasten the deterioration ... can't imagine how
much sugar that would require ) We are in Fla., too. No new sewer
line as yet.

After the city scoped the line, they installed a cleanout at the edge of
the property, as anything beyond that is their responsibility. Anything
with fiber (wet wipes, tampons, etc.) can snag in the corroded pipe and
cause blockage. I suspect my potato peels have made it choke a couple
of times )

On May 23, 12:12�am, "Jim" wrote:
"MiamiCuse" wrote in message

...

I have been doing some major renovations on this property and few days ago
I hired a video inspection company to inspect all my sewer lines to make
sure they are all ok. �I have reconfigured my drains in each bathroom but
the 3" main cast iron line was not altered.

The video revealed that there is a lot of corrosion going on with one of
the lines (I have three independent lines) coming out of the house that
merged after the driveway into the main cleanout). �It has a lot of
buildup and scales and the shape of the pipe from the inside is no longer
circular but more like the inside of a "cave".

One option is to find a way to "rim" out the corroded portions (if it's
even possible).

Why not have a company like Roto Rooter clean out pipes? �They also have
drain cameras.
You should be able to show them your tape and get there opinion.

http://www.rotorooter.com/residentia...inspection.php

The other option suggested by the plumber is to lay a new PVC

pipe. �This would involve cutting a 72 feet long 8" wide trench along my
4" concrete slab, plus a few laterals to tie in from the three bath, each
of those would vary from 4 feet to 8 feet in length. �Obviously this is a
drastic approach and the most costly approach.

My question is, what is the life expectancy of a cast iron pipe? �25
years? 50 years? �100 years? �Mine has been in the ground since 1972 in
the hot and humid Miami weather with a high water table, near the ocean so
water may have salt.

I read on a website that 50 to 100+ years is possible, but it depends on the
quality (thickness) of the original pipe. �Older pipe was thicker, some
newer pipe was made thinner to cut costs.

You could get bids for cleaning and replacement, I'm betting the cleaning
would be a lot cheaper.

Cheers,
Jim

might be able to clean and put a sock in it, basically relining inside
of lines with a plastic material that expands and hardens into
seemless liner when filled with very hot water under pressure.

saves digging and restoration

On May 23, 12:19*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:

This is a totally different nightmare...

You have a lot of them.

R

On Sat, 23 May 2009 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On May 23, 12:19*pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:

This is a totally different nightmare...

You have a lot of them.

R

LMAO!

One day he may post the final pictures of this house or by that time a
new repair cycle starts :-))

"RicodJour" wrote in message
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On May 23, 12:19 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:

This is a totally different nightmare...

You have a lot of them.

R

That's true. I should write the sequel to The Money Pit...

Money Pit II - The Revernge of the Tradesmen

LOL

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 May 2009 13:04:33 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote:

On May 23, 12:19 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:

This is a totally different nightmare...

You have a lot of them.

R

LMAO!

One day he may post the final pictures of this house or by that time a
new repair cycle starts :-))




What do you mean by "FINAL"? LOL...

On May 24, 9:25*am, "MiamiCuse" wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message

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On May 23, 12:19 pm, "MiamiCuse" wrote:



This is a totally different nightmare...

You have a lot of them.


That's true. *I should write the sequel to The Money Pit...

Money Pit II - The Revernge of the Tradesmen

Subtitled:
Going Off Half-Cocked



R