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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door
sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and two pin type hinges at the outside points. Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. The glass is about 7/16" thick. The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann |
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On Dec 7, 1:23*pm, "hr(bob) "
wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. *Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and *two *pin type hinges at the outside points. *Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. *It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. *The glass is about 7/16" thick. *The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. *Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann DO NOT USE PLAIN GLASS!! |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:23:58 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) "
wrote: It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. Well obviously it lost its temper. You're welcome! I am the real ftwhd and I approve this message. |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:35:17 -0800, ftwhd wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:23:58 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) " wrote: It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. Well obviously it lost its temper. You're welcome! Must have been a heated incident. |
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On Dec 7, 5:21*pm, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:35:17 -0800, ftwhd wrote: On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:23:58 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) " wrote: *It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. Well obviously it lost its temper. You're welcome! Must have been a heated incident. Thanx for the replies, I really wan't planning on using regular glass, but was curious if others were as concerned as I was aboiut the possibility of its breaking. I'll be calling my local glass company tomorrow morning and see how their price compares with a piece of glass from Sears Parts. Bob H |
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On Dec 8, 8:00*am, Norminn wrote:
hr(bob) wrote: On Dec 7, 5:21 pm, Oren wrote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 14:35:17 -0800, ftwhd wrote: On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:23:58 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) " wrote: It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. Well obviously it lost its temper. You're welcome! Must have been a heated incident. Thanx for the replies, I really wan't planning on using regular glass, but was curious if others were as concerned as I was aboiut the possibility of its breaking. *I'll be calling my local glass company tomorrow morning and see how their price compares with a piece of glass from Sears Parts. Bob H Just out of curiosity, how much are you expecting to pay for tempered glass? *We bought glass for a kitchen project, approx. size 2' x 5'. *It had to be cut in two pieces, due to the pressed pattern. The glass shop cut it to size, ground edges, returned it to mfg. to be tempered. *We picked it up from the shop and installed it. *Total about $50.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sears wants $70 according to my son who checked it, I am calling them today to see it that's right. Going to a local glass store also. Bob H |
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Sears wants $70 according to my son who checked it, I am calling them today to see it that's right. Going to a local glass store also. Local glass store will probably be cheaper. Thats gonna be a pretty standard sized piece for them. |
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On Dec 8, 11:33*am, "cshenk" wrote:
"hr(bob) wrote Sears wants $70 according to my son who checked it, *I am calling them today to see it that's right. *Going to a local glass store also. Local glass store will probably be cheaper. *Thats gonna be a pretty standard sized piece for them. Went to local store, only $45. they cut the glass, then send it out to be tempered. About a week overall. Bob H |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
On Dec 8, 4:21*pm, Chris Hill wrote:
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:23:58 -0800 (PST), "hr(bob) " wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. *Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and *two *pin type hinges at the outside points. *Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. *It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. *The glass is about 7/16" thick. *The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. *Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. No way to do that. *We had screens like that when I was a kid, and I remember several of them breaking, one on a day with no fire in the fire place. *If you want to fix this right, get a fireplace insert with a screen to watch the fire through and real doors with no glass in them that you can close. *You'll get more heat from less wood.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - THis fireplace has outside makeup air, so the doors have to be closed to pull in the outside air. There is fan-forced airflow around the firebox and out the top to pride a great deal of heat with a fairly low firebox temperature. Bob H |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
Art wrote:
Was it always left open when the fire was on? It should be. Only ceramic glass can handle the heat of a closed fireplace. Who leaves the doors open? That's not only dangerous, but it prevents the fireplace from doing useful heating. The glass can shatter, it happens as this one did, but is rare. My grandmother's wood stove glass shattered once, but it had worked fine for over a decade and the replacement glass has been fine for around 15 years since that happened. |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
On Dec 7, 11:23*am, "hr(bob) "
wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. *Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and *two *pin type hinges at the outside points. *Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. *It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. *The glass is about 7/16" thick. *The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. *Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann Check the inside edge of the frame for a screw or burr that may have stressed it on the small edge. Tempered glass is more sensitive to strikes/stress from the edge than face on. I replaced a pane in a commercial window one time, the screws that held the frame together were so close to the glass that the second the screw thread touched the edge as I put it back together, it shattered. I probably could have thrown a baseball at this glass head- on and not broken it, but the smallest concentrated inward pressure at the edge will shatter the whole pane. |
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Why did my fireplace door glass shatter
RickH wrote:
On Dec 7, 11:23 am, "hr(bob) " wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and two pin type hinges at the outside points. Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. The glass is about 7/16" thick. The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann Check the inside edge of the frame for a screw or burr that may have stressed it on the small edge. Tempered glass is more sensitive to strikes/stress from the edge than face on. I replaced a pane in a commercial window one time, the screws that held the frame together were so close to the glass that the second the screw thread touched the edge as I put it back together, it shattered. I probably could have thrown a baseball at this glass head- on and not broken it, but the smallest concentrated inward pressure at the edge will shatter the whole pane. I've seen it happen with pinball machine playfield glasses. They can take a heck of a smack of the steel ball hitting them from the inside, people smacking their beer down on the outside, etc, but lean one standing on edge against the wall and a grain of sand on the floor can cause it to shatter into tiny shards. |
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RickH wrote:
On Dec 7, 11:23 am, "hr(bob) " wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and two pin type hinges at the outside points. Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. The glass is about 7/16" thick. The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann Check the inside edge of the frame for a screw or burr that may have stressed it on the small edge. Tempered glass is more sensitive to strikes/stress from the edge than face on. I replaced a pane in a commercial window one time, the screws that held the frame together were so close to the glass that the second the screw thread touched the edge as I put it back together, it shattered. I probably could have thrown a baseball at this glass head- on and not broken it, but the smallest concentrated inward pressure at the edge will shatter the whole pane. The windshield on my older car broke twice from a very small point of rust on the frame. This occurred, beginning with a crack that slowly extended, twice within a year. On the second repair, the installer found the cause and corrected it. |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:01:41 -0800, James Sweet
wrote: RickH wrote: On Dec 7, 11:23 am, "hr(bob) " wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and two pin type hinges at the outside points. Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. The glass is about 7/16" thick. The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann Check the inside edge of the frame for a screw or burr that may have stressed it on the small edge. Tempered glass is more sensitive to strikes/stress from the edge than face on. I replaced a pane in a commercial window one time, the screws that held the frame together were so close to the glass that the second the screw thread touched the edge as I put it back together, it shattered. I probably could have thrown a baseball at this glass head- on and not broken it, but the smallest concentrated inward pressure at the edge will shatter the whole pane. I've seen it happen with pinball machine playfield glasses. They can take a heck of a smack of the steel ball hitting them from the inside, people smacking their beer down on the outside, etc, but lean one standing on edge against the wall and a grain of sand on the floor can cause it to shatter into tiny shards. The grain of sand comment it true; based on lessons taught to me. Any little nick on the edge of tempered glass may cause the glass to shatter. A good reason why glass companies use rubber pads during transport to a job. |
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On Dec 12, 6:31*pm, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:01:41 -0800, James Sweet wrote: RickH wrote: On Dec 7, 11:23 am, "hr(bob) " wrote: I have a 15 year-old glass SEARS fireplace door, made up of four door sections, each section is about 8" wide by 20" high, with a metal frame around each door. *Two doors on each side with a piano type hinge between the pair of doors, and *two *pin type hinges at the outside points. *Last night, while reading on the sofa in the family room, with the fire slowly getting lower as I was letting it burn down for the night, I heard what sounded like a cap gun type of noise. When I looked up, one of the four door glass panes had shattered into small shards. *It was obviously tempered glass by the way it broke up. I took the shards out of the frame today, and the frame is not warped and shows no signs of anything that could have triggered the breakage. *The glass is about 7/16" thick. *The fire was burning very low, and there were no sparks or anything that I am aware of that triggered the breakage. *Before I shell out big $$$ bucks for a new pane of tempered glass, I want to make sure it doesn't happen again. What would happen if I just replaced the glass with two thicknesses of regular window glass? Has anyone else had this sort of problem, and what did they do? TIA, Bob Hofmann Check the inside edge of the frame for a screw or burr that may have stressed it on the small edge. Tempered glass is more sensitive to strikes/stress from the edge than face on. I replaced a pane in a commercial window one time, the screws that held the frame together were so close to the glass that the second the screw thread touched the edge as I put it back together, it shattered. *I probably could have thrown a baseball at this glass head- on and not broken it, but the smallest concentrated inward pressure at the edge will shatter the whole pane. I've seen it happen with pinball machine playfield glasses. They can take a heck of a smack of the steel ball hitting them from the inside, people smacking their beer down on the outside, etc, but lean one standing on edge against the wall and a grain of sand on the floor can cause it to shatter into tiny shards. The grain of sand comment it true; based on lessons taught to me. Any little nick on the edge of tempered glass may cause the glass to shatter. A good reason why glass companies use rubber pads during transport to a job.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Got the glass and put it in, making sure there was nothing touching the edges, just on the flat surfaces. |
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