I posted earlier about the issue with getting a new toilet installed.
That's taken care of ... but there's now another plumbing problem that
my plumber and I are facing.

Our house, as you could probably gather from my post about the toilet,
is very old. The pipes underneath the house are cast iron. There's a
pipe that runs from our kitchen sink's drain down to a cast iron pipe
in the basement (unfinished dirt basement) where I guess it runs to
the main line.

There has been a leak around the place where the pipe from the sink
drain connects to the pipe in the basement and water has been pouring
from around it. It's not been an acute issue, because the placement of
the pipe makes the water run right down into where our sump pump is at
to remove any condensation, rain water, etc., that gets into the
basement. So while the water around the pump may get a bit soapy
(we're Luddites, don't have a dishwasher, still do 'em the old-
fashioned way), it doesn't pool up because the pump pulls it out.

That was actually why I first contacted the plumber ... and it's taken
a while because plumbers in my neck of the woods are kind of busy
right now; people must be doing a lot of repairing instead of buying
new stuff ... the toilet issue developed afterward. He inspected it
and saw that the pipe was broken up at the top.

He came back today to take care of this issue (didn't get to do it
yesterday since toilet was so problematic), went downstairs with his
Sawzall with a cast-iron blade to try to cut out the offending piece
of cast iron ... and the entire pipe broke. I'm not sure how extensive
"broke" is, my wife was there, I've been at work and am typing this on
a break, I'll see the damage when I get home.

The plumber is supposed to come back in a couple of days to try to fix
the issue, he had other commitments that he could not break for this
afternoon. As I said, it's not a horribly acute issue because none of
the water was going into the pipe to the main line anyway, the break
was so big, and everything is still going right into the sump pump to
be pulled out.

I'm just wondering how big and complicated an issue fixing this will
be.

On Nov 26, 7:12*pm, PRW wrote:
I posted earlier about the issue with getting a new toilet installed.
That's taken care of ... but there's now another plumbing problem that
my plumber and I are facing.

Our house, as you could probably gather from my post about the toilet,
is very old. The pipes underneath the house are cast iron. There's a
pipe that runs from our kitchen sink's drain down to a cast iron pipe
in the basement (unfinished dirt basement) where I guess it runs to
the main line.

There has been a leak around the place where the pipe from the sink
drain connects to the pipe in the basement and water has been pouring
from around it. It's not been an acute issue, because the placement of
the pipe makes the water run right down into where our sump pump is at
to remove any condensation, rain water, etc., that gets into the
basement. So while the water around the pump may get a bit soapy
(we're Luddites, don't have a dishwasher, still do 'em the old-
fashioned way), it doesn't pool up because the pump pulls it out.

That was actually why I first contacted the plumber ... and it's taken
a while because plumbers in my neck of the woods are kind of busy
right now; people must be doing a lot of repairing instead of buying
new stuff ... the toilet issue developed afterward. He inspected it
and saw that the pipe was broken up at the top.

He came back today to take care of this issue (didn't get to do it
yesterday since toilet was so problematic), went downstairs with his
Sawzall with a cast-iron blade to try to cut out the offending piece
of cast iron ... and the entire pipe broke. I'm not sure how extensive
"broke" is, my wife was there, I've been at work and am typing this on
a break, I'll see the damage when I get home.

The plumber is supposed to come back in a couple of days to try to fix
the issue, he had other commitments that he could not break for this
afternoon. As I said, it's not a horribly acute issue because none of
the water was going into the pipe to the main line anyway, the break
was so big, and everything is still going right into the sump pump to
be pulled out.

I'm just wondering how big and complicated an issue fixing this will
be.

Maybe this will ease your stress.

While you are waiting for the plumber to come back, browse around this
site. Fernco makes all kinds of repair connectors for just these types
of situations. Since this a drain pipe, which is not under pressure,
these rubber connectors and hose clamped fittings are perfect for the
job.

I've got a couple of them installed at various locations in my house
as we speak.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/flexi...qwik-tees-ells

Plumber plans to use Ferncos to fix it ... and I'm home now and
breathing easier, there's still a good foot of the pipe sticking up
from the ground, and it looks like it was a clean break ... reason I
posted in a panic was fears about it being broken off down in the
ground (as I said, the Mrs. was unclear as to what she exactly mean by
"broken") causing visions of (a.) jagged metal and (b.) excavations to
run through my head, LOL! I don't think it will be a big issue, as I
said the plumber I use is a pretty sharp cookie and knows what he's
doing, that's why I let him do these things instead of trying to do it
myself and wreaking havoc (about the extent of my plumbing ability is
changing sink pipes when things go smoothly and there are no
complications) and ending up spending more in the long run to repair
what I've made worse.


On Nov 26, 6:30*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:12*pm, PRW wrote:





I posted earlier about the issue with getting a new toilet installed.
That's taken care of ... but there's now another plumbing problem that
my plumber and I are facing.

Our house, as you could probably gather from my post about the toilet,
is very old. The pipes underneath the house are cast iron. There's a
pipe that runs from our kitchen sink's drain down to a cast iron pipe
in the basement (unfinished dirt basement) where I guess it runs to
the main line.

There has been a leak around the place where the pipe from the sink
drain connects to the pipe in the basement and water has been pouring
from around it. It's not been an acute issue, because the placement of
the pipe makes the water run right down into where our sump pump is at
to remove any condensation, rain water, etc., that gets into the
basement. So while the water around the pump may get a bit soapy
(we're Luddites, don't have a dishwasher, still do 'em the old-
fashioned way), it doesn't pool up because the pump pulls it out.

That was actually why I first contacted the plumber ... and it's taken
a while because plumbers in my neck of the woods are kind of busy
right now; people must be doing a lot of repairing instead of buying
new stuff ... the toilet issue developed afterward. He inspected it
and saw that the pipe was broken up at the top.

He came back today to take care of this issue (didn't get to do it
yesterday since toilet was so problematic), went downstairs with his
Sawzall with a cast-iron blade to try to cut out the offending piece
of cast iron ... and the entire pipe broke. I'm not sure how extensive
"broke" is, my wife was there, I've been at work and am typing this on
a break, I'll see the damage when I get home.

The plumber is supposed to come back in a couple of days to try to fix
the issue, he had other commitments that he could not break for this
afternoon. As I said, it's not a horribly acute issue because none of
the water was going into the pipe to the main line anyway, the break
was so big, and everything is still going right into the sump pump to
be pulled out.

I'm just wondering how big and complicated an issue fixing this will
be.

Maybe this will ease your stress.

While you are waiting for the plumber to come back, browse around this
site. Fernco makes all kinds of repair connectors for just these types
of situations. Since this a drain pipe, which is not under pressure,
these rubber connectors and hose clamped fittings are perfect for the
job.

I've got a couple of them installed at various locations in my house
as we speak.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/flexi...wik-tees-ells- Hide quoted text -

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On Nov 26, 7:41�pm, PRW wrote:
Plumber plans to use Ferncos to fix it ... and I'm home now and
breathing easier, there's still a good foot of the pipe sticking up
from the ground, and it looks like it was a clean break ... reason I
posted in a panic was fears about it being broken off down in the
ground (as I said, the Mrs. was unclear as to what she exactly mean by
"broken") causing visions of (a.) jagged metal and (b.) excavations to
run through my head, LOL! I don't think it will be a big issue, as I
said the plumber I use is a pretty sharp cookie and knows what he's
doing, that's why I let him do these things instead of trying to do it
myself and wreaking havoc (about the extent of my plumbing ability is
changing sink pipes when things go smoothly and there are no
complications) and ending up spending more in the long run to repair
what I've made worse.

On Nov 26, 6:30�pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:



On Nov 26, 7:12�pm, PRW wrote:

I posted earlier about the issue with getting a new toilet installed.
That's taken care of ... but there's now another plumbing problem that
my plumber and I are facing.

Our house, as you could probably gather from my post about the toilet,
is very old. The pipes underneath the house are cast iron. There's a
pipe that runs from our kitchen sink's drain down to a cast iron pipe
in the basement (unfinished dirt basement) where I guess it runs to
the main line.

There has been a leak around the place where the pipe from the sink
drain connects to the pipe in the basement and water has been pouring
from around it. It's not been an acute issue, because the placement of
the pipe makes the water run right down into where our sump pump is at
to remove any condensation, rain water, etc., that gets into the
basement. So while the water around the pump may get a bit soapy
(we're Luddites, don't have a dishwasher, still do 'em the old-
fashioned way), it doesn't pool up because the pump pulls it out.

That was actually why I first contacted the plumber ... and it's taken
a while because plumbers in my neck of the woods are kind of busy
right now; people must be doing a lot of repairing instead of buying
new stuff ... the toilet issue developed afterward. He inspected it
and saw that the pipe was broken up at the top.

He came back today to take care of this issue (didn't get to do it
yesterday since toilet was so problematic), went downstairs with his
Sawzall with a cast-iron blade to try to cut out the offending piece
of cast iron ... and the entire pipe broke. I'm not sure how extensive
"broke" is, my wife was there, I've been at work and am typing this on
a break, I'll see the damage when I get home.

The plumber is supposed to come back in a couple of days to try to fix
the issue, he had other commitments that he could not break for this
afternoon. As I said, it's not a horribly acute issue because none of
the water was going into the pipe to the main line anyway, the break
was so big, and everything is still going right into the sump pump to
be pulled out.

I'm just wondering how big and complicated an issue fixing this will
be.

Maybe this will ease your stress.

While you are waiting for the plumber to come back, browse around this
site. Fernco makes all kinds of repair connectors for just these types
of situations. Since this a drain pipe, which is not under pressure,
these rubber connectors and hose clamped fittings are perfect for the
job.

I've got a couple of them installed at various locations in my house
as we speak.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/flexi...tees-ells-Hide quoted text -

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under ground isd just a bit of digging, concrete quakes in fear when
your electric jackhammer shows up.

amazing how many are afraid to dig or break concrete or even drill a
hole in concrete

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:41:39 -0800 (PST), PRW
wrote:

Plumber plans to use Ferncos to fix it ... and I'm home now and
breathing easier, there's still a good foot of the pipe sticking up
from the ground, and it looks like it was a clean break ... reason I
posted in a panic was fears about it being broken off down in the
ground (as I said, the Mrs. was unclear as to what she exactly mean by
"broken") causing visions of (a.) jagged metal and (b.) excavations to
run through my head, LOL! I don't think it will be a big issue, as I
said the plumber I use is a pretty sharp cookie and knows what he's
doing, that's why I let him do these things instead of trying to do it
myself and wreaking havoc (about the extent of my plumbing ability is
changing sink pipes when things go smoothly and there are no
complications) and ending up spending more in the long run to repair
what I've made worse.


In MANY cases it's best to go down to solid cast, use the Fernco to
adapt to PVC and replace EVERYTHING from there up with PVC.

To the point now here in Ontario many insurance companies will not
write a new policy on houses with (A) Galvanized water pipe, (B) Cast
Iron Sanitary piping, and (C) Aluminum wiring except with CoAlr
devices or the crimped copper pigtails.

Personally I have less use for the crimped pigtails than the Aluminum
wire - I'm slowly replacing everything with CoALr in mine.

On Nov 26, 6:30Â*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Nov 26, 7:12Â*pm, PRW wrote:





I posted earlier about the issue with getting a new toilet installed.
That's taken care of ... but there's now another plumbing problem that
my plumber and I are facing.

Our house, as you could probably gather from my post about the toilet,
is very old. The pipes underneath the house are cast iron. There's a
pipe that runs from our kitchen sink's drain down to a cast iron pipe
in the basement (unfinished dirt basement) where I guess it runs to
the main line.

There has been a leak around the place where the pipe from the sink
drain connects to the pipe in the basement and water has been pouring
from around it. It's not been an acute issue, because the placement of
the pipe makes the water run right down into where our sump pump is at
to remove any condensation, rain water, etc., that gets into the
basement. So while the water around the pump may get a bit soapy
(we're Luddites, don't have a dishwasher, still do 'em the old-
fashioned way), it doesn't pool up because the pump pulls it out.

That was actually why I first contacted the plumber ... and it's taken
a while because plumbers in my neck of the woods are kind of busy
right now; people must be doing a lot of repairing instead of buying
new stuff ... the toilet issue developed afterward. He inspected it
and saw that the pipe was broken up at the top.

He came back today to take care of this issue (didn't get to do it
yesterday since toilet was so problematic), went downstairs with his
Sawzall with a cast-iron blade to try to cut out the offending piece
of cast iron ... and the entire pipe broke. I'm not sure how extensive
"broke" is, my wife was there, I've been at work and am typing this on
a break, I'll see the damage when I get home.

The plumber is supposed to come back in a couple of days to try to fix
the issue, he had other commitments that he could not break for this
afternoon. As I said, it's not a horribly acute issue because none of
the water was going into the pipe to the main line anyway, the break
was so big, and everything is still going right into the sump pump to
be pulled out.

I'm just wondering how big and complicated an issue fixing this will
be.

Maybe this will ease your stress.

While you are waiting for the plumber to come back, browse around this
site. Fernco makes all kinds of repair connectors for just these types
of situations. Since this a drain pipe, which is not under pressure,
these rubber connectors and hose clamped fittings are perfect for the
job.

I've got a couple of them installed at various locations in my house
as we speak.

http://www.fernco.com/plumbing/flexi...wik-tees-ells- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

One more thing ... should I be worried about sewer gas from this? I
don't smell anything right now from the pipe. It's probably going to
be Saturday a.m. before the plumber gets back out here, should I plug
the pipe with something temporarily?

PRW wrote in
:

One more thing ... should I be worried about sewer gas from this? I
don't smell anything right now from the pipe. It's probably going to
be Saturday a.m. before the plumber gets back out here, should I plug
the pipe with something temporarily?

Plug it up with old rags, or tape a plastic bag over it.

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX

Couple wraps of duct tape.

--
Christopher A. Young
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PRW wrote in
:

One more thing ... should I be worried about sewer gas from this? I
don't smell anything right now from the pipe. It's probably going to
be Saturday a.m. before the plumber gets back out here, should I plug
the pipe with something temporarily?

Plug it up with old rags, or tape a plastic bag over it.

--
Steve Bell
New Life Home Improvement
Arlington, TX