For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..


Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..


We have had a few quotes so far..


It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...


So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..


Does this seem right? Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? IE: i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..




Thanks in advance

For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..


Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..


We have had a few quotes so far..


It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...


So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..


Does this seem right? Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? IE: i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..




Thanks in advance

Well, the wire and breakers are pretty expensive; perhaps it'd make more
sense if you asked for the estimate to be itemized?

markm75 wrote:
For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..


Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..


We have had a few quotes so far..


It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...


So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..


Does this seem right? Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? IE: i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..


Hmm. Let's see:

Breaker: $13.00 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7KY
Wi 50' spool, 6/3, $130.00 http://www.doityourself.com/invt/5444195
Labor to replace breaker, remove and retighten six screws: $1100.00.

Sounds about right...

"markm75" wrote in message
...
For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..


Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..


We have had a few quotes so far..


It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...


So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..


Does this seem right? Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? IE: i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..




Thanks in advance

These things vary from location to location, and copper prices swing wildly
and are very high right now. Since you've used the word "quotes" meaning
you've gotten several prices, I'd guess that's what that job costs in your
area right now

HeyBub posted for all of us...


Hmm. Let's see:

Breaker: $13.00 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7KY
Wi 50' spool, 6/3, $130.00 http://www.doityourself.com/invt/5444195
Labor to replace breaker, remove and retighten six screws: $1100.00.

Sounds about right...


Wait a minute! This is commercial so it is a pipe job and we can't see it.
Copper prices go up too.

--
Tekkie - I approve this advertisement/statement/utterance.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
markm75 wrote:
For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...



I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..


Hmm. Let's see:

Breaker: $13.00 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7KY
Wi 50' spool, 6/3, $130.00 http://www.doityourself.com/invt/5444195
Labor to replace breaker, remove and retighten six screws: $1100.00.

Sounds about right...


A residential breaker is $13, but a commercial breaker is much more. It may
need this one
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/2DM99 for $260. They also have some
that top $400.

On Aug 26, 8:32*am, markm75 wrote:
For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..

Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..

We have had a few quotes so far..

It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...

So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..

Does this seem right? *Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? *IE: *i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..

Thanks in advance

Is conduit involved? If so is it an easy run? On the surface the
cost you were quoted sounds high but there may be some things you have
not considered. I would definately get another estimate if it is an
easy install.

On Aug 27, 1:20*am, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:32*am, markm75 wrote:





For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..

Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..

We have had a few quotes so far..

It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...

So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..

Does this seem right? *Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? *IE: *i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..

Thanks in advance

Is conduit involved? *If so is it an easy run? *On the surface the
cost you were quoted sounds high but there may be some things you have
not considered. *I would definately get another estimate if it is an
easy install.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

We are on our 3rd quote now.. waiting on them to come out.. the first
was $1300, then $1000-$1100 (forget exactly).. the 2nd electrician was
basically rude and refused to answer any questions regarding exact
details.

markm75 wrote:
I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

Conduit is a metal or plastic pipe through which the wiring is run.

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

Conduit is cheap. Fishing it through walls takes way more than 2
hours. You're paying for 1/2 day of labor for 2 people...

On Aug 27, 11:36*am, markm75 wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:20*am, wrote:





On Aug 26, 8:32*am, markm75 wrote:

For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..

Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..

We have had a few quotes so far..

It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...

So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..

Does this seem right? *Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? *IE: *i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..

Thanks in advance

Is conduit involved? *If so is it an easy run? *On the surface the
cost you were quoted sounds high but there may be some things you have
not considered. *I would definately get another estimate if it is an
easy install.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

We are on our 3rd quote now.. waiting on them to come out.. the first
was $1300, then $1000-$1100 (forget exactly).. the 2nd electrician was
basically rude and refused to answer any questions regarding exact
details.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Well work often takes longer than expected? Something has to be moved
around in the circuit breaker panel? Time travelling to/from location,
30 mins each way or longer? Time to identify and pick out or go to
supplier to get specific materials? Miscellaneous materials? etc.
etc.
Also the electrician's company has to make sufficient mark up on say
half a day's work to pay, licensing fees, truck expense, insurance and
so forth. Also it sounds like a commercial location so is essential
the work be done to UL standards etc. acceptable to building owner
and building insurer.

wrote:
markm75 wrote:
I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

Conduit is a metal or plastic pipe through which the wiring is run.

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

Conduit is cheap. Fishing it through walls takes way more than 2
hours. You're paying for 1/2 day of labor for 2 people...

But he's already got a cable. Isn't it a simple matter of attaching the new
wire to the old wire and giving the combination a yank from the other end?

Well, okay, bends and such. and maybe the new wire won't FIT in the existing
conduit, but, shucks, seems like most of the work is already done.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
wrote:
markm75 wrote:
I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

Conduit is a metal or plastic pipe through which the wiring is run.

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

Conduit is cheap. Fishing it through walls takes way more than 2
hours. You're paying for 1/2 day of labor for 2 people...

But he's already got a cable. Isn't it a simple matter of attaching the
new wire to the old wire and giving the combination a yank from the other
end?

Well, okay, bends and such. and maybe the new wire won't FIT in the
existing conduit, but, shucks, seems like most of the work is already
done.


There are always unknowns but the $1100 sounds high even with an expensive
breaker. My electrician is $65/hour and he does not charge travel time
since he lives 10 minutes away. I'd guess it is a $600 or less job based on
past experience. OTOH, if I called an electrician out of the phone book it
may well be $1000. A one shot job always costs more than having a regular
relationship with a tradesman.

On Aug 27, 11:04*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
markm75 wrote:
I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

Conduit is a metal or plastic pipe through which the wiring is run.

The $260breakersounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

Conduit is cheap. Fishing it through walls takes way more than 2
hours. You're paying for 1/2 day of labor for 2 people...

But he's already got a cable. Isn't it a simple matter of attaching the new
wire to the old wire and giving the combination a yank from the other end?

Well, okay, bends and such. and maybe the new wire won't FIT in the existing
conduit, but, shucks, seems like most of the work is already done.

I'm pretty sure the old wire has to be either left where it is or
replaced with this thicker gauge..

In regards to the running through the walls and ceiling.. even though
the total length is 30 feet, its actually quite the easy run.. the
server room is 7 feet on the other side of the wall from where the
breaker is.. its as simple as a ladder in the breaker room.. remove 3
tiles from the ceiling across the hall and down the wall in the server
room.. I've ran network cabling to the same location.. it didnt take
two hours.. perhaps electrical runs are more difficult.. again i'm not
an electrician, just seeking a general opinion that is all.. without
being flamed

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT), markm75
wrote:

The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

We are on our 3rd quote now.. waiting on them to come out.. the first
was $1300, then $1000-$1100 (forget exactly).. the 2nd electrician was
basically rude and refused to answer any questions regarding exact
details.

Probably need new conduit; bigger wire and all that. Probably isn't a
straight run either, takes time to bend conduit as well. Makes you
wish you'd known what you needed back when you started.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:38:28 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

HeyBub posted for all of us...


Hmm. Let's see:

Breaker: $13.00 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002N7KY
Wi 50' spool, 6/3, $130.00 http://www.doityourself.com/invt/5444195
Labor to replace breaker, remove and retighten six screws: $1100.00.

Sounds about right...


Wait a minute! This is commercial so it is a pipe job and we can't see it.
Copper prices go up too.

Copper prices are actually coming down.

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT), markm75
wrote:

On Aug 27, 1:20*am, wrote:
On Aug 26, 8:32*am, markm75 wrote:





For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..

Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..

We have had a few quotes so far..

It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...

So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..

Does this seem right? *Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? *IE: *i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..

Thanks in advance

Is conduit involved? *If so is it an easy run? *On the surface the
cost you were quoted sounds high but there may be some things you have
not considered. *I would definately get another estimate if it is an
easy install.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

If it is one set of wires running down conduit, wouldn't it be VERY
easy to pull thicker wire with the old wires ?
Sounds fishy to me. What kind of breaker is in it now ? Commercial or
residential ?
Seems it can be done MUCH cheaper.




The $260 breaker sounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

We are on our 3rd quote now.. waiting on them to come out.. the first
was $1300, then $1000-$1100 (forget exactly).. the 2nd electrician was
basically rude and refused to answer any questions regarding exact
details.
yeah, run from him. He knows he's ripping you off.
Get a detailed quote. Itemized and describing what they are going to
do .

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT), markm75
wrote:

On Aug 27, 11:04*am, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote:
markm75 wrote:
I'm not 100% up on conduit.. but by conduit, i'm assuming you mean
cable ran inside a shielded tube essentially.. as of now this is how
it is, with the 30amp wiring from a year ago.. so it would be conduit
again i assume.

Conduit is a metal or plastic pipe through which the wiring is run.

The $260breakersounds more realistic.. so $260 + $130 wire... $390
total, plus $100 per hour labor.. assume 2 hours max.. thats still
$590, not $1100.. but perhaps the conduit is pricey too..

Conduit is cheap. Fishing it through walls takes way more than 2
hours. You're paying for 1/2 day of labor for 2 people...

But he's already got a cable. Isn't it a simple matter of attaching the new
wire to the old wire and giving the combination a yank from the other end?

Well, okay, bends and such. and maybe the new wire won't FIT in the existing
conduit, but, shucks, seems like most of the work is already done.

I'm pretty sure the old wire has to be either left where it is or
replaced with this thicker gauge..

In regards to the running through the walls and ceiling.. even though
the total length is 30 feet, its actually quite the easy run.. the
server room is 7 feet on the other side of the wall from where the
breaker is.. its as simple as a ladder in the breaker room.. remove 3
tiles from the ceiling across the hall and down the wall in the server
room.. I've ran network cabling to the same location.. it didnt take
two hours.. perhaps electrical runs are more difficult.. again i'm not
an electrician, just seeking a general opinion that is all.. without
being flamed

sounds like it can be done MUCH cheaper.

On Aug 26, 8:32*am, markm75 wrote:
For our business. we had a 30 amp breaker put in at one point and 30
feet of coiled wiring ran to our server room...

This was to be for a UPS which required a 30 amp breaker..

Since that time, we opted to go with a very large ups.. which
requires
a 60 amp breaker.. (and heavier gauge wiring, i believe)..

We have had a few quotes so far..

It seems they would have to rewire the 30 foot distance, hardware
into
the back of the UPS and change the breaker from 30 to 60...

So far, quotes range from $1000-$1300 for this work..

Does this seem right? *Is it that much more expensive (equipment
cost?) from a 30 to 60 amp breaker? *IE: *i think the original work
was around $450?

I should add, this is a 220volt line (208?).. i forget the exact
value, but 2PH+G on the ups connection end..

Thanks in advance

If there is conduit involved and you are upsizing the service then the
previously run pipe may be too small. If they are not running new
conduit then the job is definately overpriced.