We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!

infiniteMPG wrote:
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... I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.
....

Figure out what will actually go into the space, not just "general
storage" and plan accordingly.

www.woodworkershardware.com

for catalog of every possible thingie you might possibly want to
use/consider using...

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On Jul 7, 10:35*am, infiniteMPG wrote:
We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. *I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. *We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!

Are you storing food in the same place as cleaning chemicals? I don't
think I'd do that, but don't know for sure it is a bad thing. The
only suggestions I'd give are to put in quality wood adjustable
shelving. Have all the items you typically store in there before hand
to make sure tall items fit. I like racks on the inside of the door,
because when you close the door, there is typically a lot of wasted
space between the door and shelves. I also like a small section of
wall or door with rods to hang things from.

one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. *I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. *We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

This sounds more like a cabinet than a pantry! Anyways,
do you intend to having shelving on both sides? If so, how
deep do they need to be? 8" (that will be at least 8+ inches x 2 =
16" leaving you just barely 22" to reach in.

I would shelve the backwall, put storage shelves high up
on the other two walls and perhaps use one side with
7" shelves that might have to be custom made.

Did that sould clear enough? I have a small walk in and
the walls are just barely enough to allow for a 6 or 7 inch
shelve on the two opposite walls. The back wall, I plan
to build a custom set of cabinets with perhaps pull out
drawers.

MJM

TWayne wrote:
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Hmm, interesting looking site; good catch. Have you purchased from
them?

Don't know what was supposed to have "caught", but use them extensively,
yes...

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infiniteMPG wrote:
...
... I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage. ...

Figure out what will actually go into the space, not just "general
storage" and plan accordingly.

www.woodworkershardware.com

for catalog of every possible thingie you might possibly want to
use/consider using...

Hmm, interesting looking site; good catch. Have you purchased from
them?

Twayne

infiniteMPG wrote:

We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!


One feature of kitchen storage that I like but don't have is a deep
drawer to store infrequently
used bowls/cookware. A shallow drawer at the top for all the small
doodads that you use once
in a blue moon - cookie cutters, cake decorating stuff, turkey baster,
etc.

A little more about your cooking style and storage needs would help.

On Jul 7, 9:35 am, infiniteMPG wrote:
We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!

Think about what you want to put in there. Food, pots and pans, "junk
drawer," high chair, vacuum cleaner, 40 lb. bag of dog food, etc. etc.
-- some items might require a tall cabinet. Food items usually take
shallow shelving. Many people put wide shelves along the top for
bulky seldom used items (e.g., roasting pan used for Thanksgiving
only). General purpose, I would consider cabinets along the bottom,
drawers waist high, shelves above. Do leave yourself room to turn
around in there so you can take something down without knocking other
stuff on the floor. -- H

Thanks to all for your suggestions!!! Not sure if the overall space
will be enough to actually walk in to it, but then again the depth is
probably too deep for just shelves (either that or the stuff in the
back would be totally forgotten about and that wouldn't be a first for
me :O). Maybe just load the thing will all pull-out drawers? The
cleaning supplies are basically under the kitchen sink and in the
laundry room, so this will be all cooking/kitchen/food stuffs.

Are all wood shelves better then the metal grated shelving if fixed
(sliding shelves would almost have to be all wood)?

Thanks again!!!

infiniteMPG wrote:
Thanks to all for your suggestions!!! Not sure if the overall space
will be enough to actually walk in to it, but then again the depth is
probably too deep for just shelves (either that or the stuff in the
back would be totally forgotten about and that wouldn't be a first for
me :O). Maybe just load the thing will all pull-out drawers? The
cleaning supplies are basically under the kitchen sink and in the
laundry room, so this will be all cooking/kitchen/food stuffs.

You have 28" of depth. If you put standard 12" shelves along the back
you'll have 16" in front of them...not really enough room to do anything
with along the sides since your door is probably at least 30" wide.

Some thoughts/suggestions...

1. Keep your most used items on shelves between knee and eye level.

2. Use the bottom shelf for TALL items so you can more easily reach the
item. Ditto for shelves above eye level but store little used items on
them. Shelves above head level could be wider if you have big stuff to
store.

3. Make a shallow shelf unit to attach to the back of the door. Shelves no
more than 3" deep. Such a unit sucks up lots of small stuff and doesn't
affect the amount of storage area within the pantry itself. Extremely
handy.

If the door is hollow core, use a nailer at top and bottom of the shelf unit
to screw to the door about 1" from top & bottom. If the door is solid, you
can use nailers along the sides of the unit. In either case, the width of
the unit must be less than the door (set back at the latch side) to
accommodate the door swing when opening. How much less than the door?
square root of ((door width squared) + (door and shelf unit thickness
squared)) = max width of shelf unit.

The shelves need to have fids at the front to keep stuff from sliding off
when the door is moved. A "fid" is just a thin (1/4" or so) piece of wood
along the front edge of the shelf sticking up about an inch above it.
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Are all wood shelves better then the metal grated shelving if fixed
(sliding shelves would almost have to be all wood)?

I'd forget sliding shelves. I'd also forget wire shelves (small stuff falls
through). If it were me I'd use 3/4" melamine covered particle board. It
is inexpensive, needs no finishing (other than optionally on exposed edges)
and is easy to clean.

I would...

1. Make two uprights the same depth as the shelves, drill them at 1 - 1 1/2
intervals for KV shelf clips and attach them to the side walls. They need
not go entirely to the ceiling, just an inch or so higher than the height of
the top shelf. They would wind up sloping outward slightly from the corners
because of the drywall tape/mud in the corners but not enough so you would
have to cut the shelf ends anything other than square (unless you really,
really enjoy wood fiddling

2. I'd make the shelves of the same material taping the front edge with
either a thin strip of wood or the plastic sold for the purpose. The latter
is easier.

Someone may say that particle board will sag. I say I have dozens of such
shelves and none - not a single one - has ever sagged. Of course, add
enough weight and *anything* will sag. One of our hall closets is about the
size of your pantry and I have two 17" CRT computer monitors sitting on a
12" shelf. No sag.

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On Jul 7, 10:35*am, infiniteMPG wrote:
We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. *I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. *We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!

I built one something like that and what I did was to add some
adjustable shelves on the back wall, but only taking about 30% of the
space. I had a nice heavy wood divider in the middle, From that
divider I mounted two heady duty solid swinging wood panels with
shelves mounted on each side. You could do each side a little
different if you like or make it asymmetric if you like. Lots of
storage space for all kinds and sizes of stuff, but all it if visible
without moving other stuff out of the way. Nothing gets shoved to the
back.

On Jul 10, 4:06*pm, wrote:
On Jul 7, 10:35*am, infiniteMPG wrote:

We're about to start installing new kitchen cabinets and at one end on
one wall we're going to be building a built-in pantry, about 38" wide
and 28" deep, framed in with sheet rock walls as part of the kitchen
itself. *I know there are a bazillion different way to do the shelves,
dividers, doors, storage areas, etc. so we thought we'd bounce a
question out here for any suggestions anyone might have. *We're
looking at this to be general foor and kitchen stuff storage.

Any and all suggestions gladly welcomed.
Thanks!!!

* *I built one something like that and what I did was to add some
adjustable shelves on the back wall, but only taking about 30% of the
space. *I had a nice heavy wood divider in the middle, From that
divider I mounted two heady duty solid swinging wood panels with
shelves mounted on each side. *You could do each side a little
different if you like or make it asymmetric if you like. *Lots of
storage space for all kinds and sizes of stuff, but all it if visible
without moving other stuff out of the way. *Nothing gets shoved to the
back.

I should add that you can also use the back of the doors for
shelving etc as well. What works best for you might not be best for
me, so play around in your head of all the possible combinations.

I should add that you can also use the back of the doors for shelving etc as well. *What works best for you might not be best for me, so play around in your head of all the possible combinations.

We're still debating on the door style, bi-fold louvered doors, single
hung regular interior door. Any thoughts on that (other then if you
use bi-fold doors you loose the rear door storage)?