In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what the
home inspector is going to be seeing.

kpg* wrote:
As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same
rate per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what the
home inspector is going to be seeing.

You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we have
a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of ammunition.
Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to tax the
ammunition out of existence.

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

kpg* wrote:
As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same
rate per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what
the home inspector is going to be seeing.

You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we
have a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of
ammunition. Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to
tax the ammunition out of existence.


sigh

What happened to the America I grew up in? Something needs
to change. I hope you people are paying attention out there.

We take freedom for granted, but it's not a right, it must be earned
and defended. I'm not talking about Iraq, who knows if that's the
right or wrong way to go, I'm talking about those dimwits in congress
and sitting on the bench.

Don't get me started.

Oh, too late.

"kpg*" wrote in
20:

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

kpg* wrote:
As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same
rate per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what
the home inspector is going to be seeing.

You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we
have a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of
ammunition. Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to
tax the ammunition out of existence.

That idiot was always trying to enact that crap,and nobody ever paid him
any attention.(Daniel Moynihan,btw.)


sigh

What happened to the America I grew up in? Something needs
to change. I hope you people are paying attention out there.

We take freedom for granted, but it's not a right, it must be earned
and defended. I'm not talking about Iraq, who knows if that's the
right or wrong way to go, I'm talking about those dimwits in congress
and sitting on the bench.

Well,there's a LOT of dimwits that ELECT those Congressional dimwits.
Socialists.

Don't get me started.

Oh, too late.


Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE that troll?
A $100 tax on a DOLLAR item? "By 2010,all homes will be inspected...."

WHERE is your common sense?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE that troll?
A $100 tax on a DOLLAR item? "By 2010,all homes will be inspected...."

lol, of course not. Because that's not how it happens. The reality
is our freedoms are eroded much slower than that; at a pace we hardly
notice.

I was taking the opportunity of this obviously exaggerated claim
to point out that if if did happen all at once it would be outrageous
and no one would stand for it. A tax on non-CF bulbs out of the
question? I don't think so. Tax policy is used to mold society
as our 'leaders' see fit. That is not their job, and that is not
freedom.

You are right about not feeding the trolls, however.

Nevermind.

YEp yep if you think that Daniel Moynihan is bad
how about this Major that NYC have he would like
charge all who visit city below 86th. street $ 8.00 fee
and truckers $ 26.00. what truckers should do make surcharge
for any delivery $300.00 under 1 ton and $500.00 over 1-5,
5 ton and up $1000.00 no exceptions then let him dance jig


"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
...
"kpg*" wrote in
20:

"HeyBub" wrote in
:

kpg* wrote:
As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same
rate per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what
the home inspector is going to be seeing.

You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we
have a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of
ammunition. Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to
tax the ammunition out of existence.

That idiot was always trying to enact that crap,and nobody ever paid him
any attention.(Daniel Moynihan,btw.)


sigh

What happened to the America I grew up in? Something needs
to change. I hope you people are paying attention out there.

We take freedom for granted, but it's not a right, it must be earned
and defended. I'm not talking about Iraq, who knows if that's the
right or wrong way to go, I'm talking about those dimwits in congress
and sitting on the bench.

Well,there's a LOT of dimwits that ELECT those Congressional dimwits.
Socialists.

Don't get me started.

Oh, too late.


Don't tell me you actually BELIEVE that troll?
A $100 tax on a DOLLAR item? "By 2010,all homes will be inspected...."

WHERE is your common sense?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we
have a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of
ammunition. Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to
tax the ammunition out of existence.

And only a month's supply of Senators

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/

"nick hull" wrote in message
.. .
You may say that in jest, but a U.S. Senator from New York admitted we
have a 200-year supply of guns, but only a ten-year supply of
ammunition. Obviously, then, the way to attack the "gun problem" is to
tax the ammunition out of existence.

And only a month's supply of Senators

Free men own guns - www(dot)geocities(dot)com/CapitolHill/5357/

NO no you got that wrong croocvks own the guns
crooks are permitted to carry guns
but free people must hide

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:37:23 GMT, "kpg*" wrote:

As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what the
home inspector is going to be seeing.

Do these bullets contain lead? Lead is a hazardous material, which
must be disposed of properly.

Harry wrote:
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:37:23 GMT, "kpg*" wrote:

As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.
Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what the
home inspector is going to be seeing.

Do these bullets contain lead? Lead is a hazardous material, which
must be disposed of properly.


Can you think of a better way to dispose of them?

Best regards,
Bob

Few years ago I have contacted my police department
at time I want dispose of some old ammo and guess
they did not wanted I guess I will need to dispose of it into garbage
Tony

"Harry" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:37:23 GMT, "kpg*" wrote:

As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Just so long as they don't start taxing bullets, cause that's what the
home inspector is going to be seeing.

Do these bullets contain lead? Lead is a hazardous material, which
must be disposed of properly.

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:52:42 -0500, wrote:

In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

The US has to pay for Bush's War one way or another.

Phisherman wrote in
:

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:52:42 -0500, wrote:

In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

The US has to pay for Bush's War one way or another.


More Bush Derangement Syndrome. get help.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

wrote:
In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

I also understand that in order to make this new tax more
palatable, the government will now legalize the dope you
are smoking.

[8~{} Uncle Monster

"Uncle Monster" wrote in message
...
wrote:
In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

I also understand that in order to make this new tax more
palatable, the government will now legalize the dope you
are smoking.

[8~{} Uncle Monster

How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
Congress.

TKM

"TKM" wrote in message

How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
Congress.

TKM

The original post was not so much a troll as it was some humor. Others just
added on to it after that. Do you really think you are the only one that
did not believe a $100 tax on light bulbs?

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"TKM" wrote in message
How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
Congress.

TKM

The original post was not so much a troll as it was some humor. Others just
added on to it after that. Do you really think you are the only one that
did not believe a $100 tax on light bulbs?




Maxwell Smart voice
Would you believe a $2 tax?
/MSV

Bob

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"TKM" wrote in message
How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
Congress.

TKM

The original post was not so much a troll as it was some humor. Others just
added on to it after that. Do you really think you are the only one that
did not believe a $100 tax on light bulbs?


Too many people take themselves and things they see and read
on the interweb too seriously. I must now get back to bottling
my new and improved troll repellent.

[8~{} Uncle Monster

"TKM" wrote in message
...

"Uncle Monster" wrote in message
...
wrote:
In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

I also understand that in order to make this new tax more
palatable, the government will now legalize the dope you
are smoking.

[8~{} Uncle Monster

How did the OP's statement about a supposed tax on light bulbs turn into
rants about everything but? Besides, you've been trolled. There has been
no national legislation passed with such a tax -- or even proposed in
Congress.

TKM


Because some of us getting fed up with this *******s that
get in power and then giving rust shaft to the people
generating new taxes so they can steel more from the pot
Tony

On Sep 4, 3:52 pm, wrote:
In order to meet the demand to save energy the US government will be
adding a tax to the price of all lightbulbs, effective January 1,
2008. All bulbs will be charged one dollar per watt tax. Thus the
price of a 100 watt bulb will be about $101.00 (the one dollar is the
cost of the bulb itself). This tax will also be added to all
electrical appliances, tools, motors and other equipment. For
example, a toaster which generally draws 1250 watts will have a tax of
$1250 added to the price of the toaster. An electric range could cost
as much as $55,000. You will be required to pay this tax upon
purchase. As of 2010, all homes will be inspected and all remaining
and existing appliances and lights will also be taxed at the same rate
per watt.

Walter K.

Interesting troll?????

Heard something recently as part of an international radio broadcast
carried late at night by our local network that some European
countries are 'pulling back' on the requirement to to do away with non-
CF bulbs by mandating the use of CFLs.
..
Probably something of short term policy though; apparently the
availability of sufficient CF bulbs will be a problem.
Have previously read that Australia however is enacting or has enacted
legislation concerning the mandatory use of CF bulbs.

Personally am wondering about misplaced enthusiasm; everyone jumping
on the 'Use CFLs' bandwagon even though they have no concept of
wattage and electrical consumption versus longer term issues.

Our local municipality for example classifies dud CFLs as 'hazardous
waste', in the same category as those 48 inch fluorescent tubes and
instructs its trash collectors not to take them. Not that anyone would
notice one or two CFLs buried in bag of garbage! Also asked one of
the staff at the regional land fill who agreed that technically CFLs
and fluorescent tubes were hazardous and should treated accordingly;
but also commented that when a truck or dumpster comes in (every
minute or two) "We can't and don't monitor everything on it or in each
bag of garbage"!

But surely there a many other aspects of electrical use in our
societies that could be reviewed. Too many street lights, on all
night? Is it necessary to floodlight buildings at night? During WWII
for example it was amazing what savings/economies could effected.

Possibly CF lamps will have a one time effect/reduction in the amount
of electricity consumed, which will be hailed as a success and proof
that it's the right decision? But their manufacture may have heavier
than expected effects on the environment, due to the mercury they
contain, the electronic components used. At least they are supposed
to last some 5 times longer while using less electricity?

A neighbour has gone almost entirely CFL; installing them in locations
(at cost of several dollars each), where they will rarely be switched
on! For example a rarely used basement storeroom! And claims an
undefined saving in electricity; but this has been during recent
mainly non heating summer months. Be interesting once winter comes
since the neighbours have, like many homes here, electric heating
mainly generated by hydro.

It does makes sense to use CFLs in outdoor locations (although they
don't always work best in cold climates?) where the wasted heat will
not be recovered and some may be on for long periods overnight.
Conventional (incandescent) bulbs in this home contribute heat to our
residence which directly offsets the electric heating; so it is not
really wasted. Our bathroom is partially heated by the six 40 watt
conventional bulbs (cost 25 cents each) which are only switched on
when bathroom is in use. Most of the time the 500 watt baseboard
heater rarely comes on!

Have just installed a motion detector light using two 75 watt
conventional bulbs that come on virtually instantly, over where our
vehicle is parked. But it is of course a more complicated gadget and
will ultimately not last as long as a plain old switch while using
electricity for only the few minute periods it will be on. It comes on
maybe a couple of times a night, for about six-ten minutes if/when a
neighbour drops by.

Interesting discussion. I must fix that vintage oil lamp by installing
a new wick, just in case, by the way.

terry wrote:
....
Conventional (incandescent) bulbs in this home contribute heat to our
residence which directly offsets the electric heating; so it is not
really wasted. ...

Of course, those same incandescents add the same heat in the warm months
as well, so the benefit in the winter may be canceled by higher cooling
load in the summer...

--

On Sep 6, 1:16 pm, dpb wrote:
terry wrote:

...

Conventional (incandescent) bulbs in this home contribute heat to our
residence which directly offsets the electric heating; so it is not
really wasted. ...

Of course, those same incandescents add the same heat in the warm months
as well, so the benefit in the winter may be canceled by higher cooling
load in the summer...

--

Yes dpb; that could be true.

In the evenings which of course are longer in summer so lights go on
later and evening is when it's almost always cool here.

So very rarely does anyone here have or use AC units (unless it is one
of those reverse cycle heat pumps for heating the house in winter) and
doubt even then that they would keep changing back and forth between
heating and cooling modes?

Last few days of August (which we consider late summer) it's been
around 15 degrees Celsius (Approx mid 60s Fahrenheit) during the day.
Some 5 C, degrees cooler at night; or approx low 50s. F. No trouble
sleeping!
Lights go on later in summer/fall and do contribute slightly to home
heat. In fact only today, Sept 6th, is it cool enough to even consider
switching on any of the heating thermostats. It' s now past midday and
haven't done so yet.

So we don't have any cooling load at all. Do occasionally run a
dehumidifier in part of basement during the summer to keep down
dampness due to warmer more humid outside air seeping in there.

Otherwise our almost completely in ground basement stays at around
55-60 deg F. most of the time, except very coldest and windiest
weather when it may occasionally dip to around 50 deg. F.

You have to think in terms of a climate that never gets warm enough
(or only very rarely for a few days a year at most) to need any
cooling. Only a short distance from the North Atlantic this is
considered a 'maritime' climate; heat and cold being modified by the
mass of the ocean.

terry wrote:
On Sep 6, 1:16 pm, dpb wrote:
terry wrote:

...

Conventional (incandescent) bulbs in this home contribute heat to our
residence which directly offsets the electric heating; so it is not
really wasted. ...
Of course, those same incandescents add the same heat in the warm months
as well, so the benefit in the winter may be canceled by higher cooling
load in the summer...

--

Yes dpb; that could be true.

....

So very rarely does anyone here have or use AC units (unless it is one
of those reverse cycle heat pumps for heating the house in winter) and
doubt even then that they would keep changing back and forth between
heating and cooling modes?
....

The point is it may work in your locale, but as an overall plan it may
not have much net effect on reducing consumption on a more global scale...

--