Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:04:17 -0400, Aztec wrote:

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

They must be Non-Union illegal?

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

Non-Union or Union - illegal?

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

It really is like giving a "legal" worker a coffee break. I still have
to re-train them.

HTH

--
Oren

"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

"Aztec" wrote in message
...
Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at a
rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

Come back with that question when they are doing YOUR job, or your kids job,
etc...

Aztec wrote:
Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

What kind of stamp were you using and how much did you pay for it?

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

On May 27, 8:26 am, "Bob" wrote:
"Aztec" wrote in message

...

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I
got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if
I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly $10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay, they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of your
ignorance.

Bob-tx


Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are working do
not bother me. Their women walking in the park dragging around a lot
of kids do bother me. This is the next welfare generation.

"Aztec" wrote in message
...
Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I
got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if
I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly $10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay, they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of your
ignorance.

Bob-tx

Bob wrote:
To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly $10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay, they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of your
ignorance.

Hmm. What you're saying is that we MUST hire illegals and pay them cheaply
thereby recovering some of the money we HAVE to pay in taxes and insurance.

The alternative is to deport all the illegals. Until that happens, however,
simple economics mandates we hire as many illegals as possible.

Thanks for pointing this out.

Aztec wrote in :

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.


because they *commit crimes*,besides the first one of coming here
illegally.

It's also a form of slavery.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Frank wrote in
ups.com:

On May 27, 8:26 am, "Bob" wrote:
"Aztec" wrote in message

...

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I
got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if
I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly $10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay, they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of your
ignorance.

Bob-tx


Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are working do
not bother me. Their women walking in the park dragging around a lot
of kids do bother me. This is the next welfare generation.



They come here to HAVE their kids,so they become US citizens.
THAT has to change.
One should only become a citizen at birth from *US* citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 27 May 2007 04:40:34 -0700 in alt.home.repair, Frank
shared with usenet this thought...:

[...]
Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are working do
not bother me. Their women walking in the park dragging around a lot
of kids do bother me. This is the next welfare generation.

They won't be spreading pinestraw forever. They came here for a
better life, and they will have it. At what cost to the rest of us,
is the question.


--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam

http://tinyurl.com/4sarw | http://www.cafepress.com/notdifficult
http://postingwillbelight.blogspot.com
http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com
http://is-3.blogspot.com

The prevailing ethos in The United States is the rule of law. The
prevailing ethos in Mexico is the rule para la mordida. Admitting
millions of aliens with an abiding disregard for the law can't be a
good thing for a society like ours. There's a reason that America is
a land of promise and Mexico is a ********--and it isn't because of
the housing industry.


--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam

http://tinyurl.com/4sarw | http://www.cafepress.com/notdifficult
http://postingwillbelight.blogspot.com
http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com
http://is-3.blogspot.com

On May 27, 2:35�pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Frank wrote roups.com:





On May 27, 8:26 am, "Bob" wrote:
"Aztec" wrote in message

. ..

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I
got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if
I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly $10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay, they
most likely are on welfare. *You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? *I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of your
ignorance.

Bob-tx

Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are working do
not bother me. *Their women walking in the park dragging around a lot
of kids do bother me. *This is the next welfare generation.

They come here to HAVE their kids,so they become US citizens.
THAT has to change.
One should only become a citizen at birth from *US* citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

hey do that from day one and the only citizens will be american
indians.

we should invite the world, at least all young immigrants to fix our
social security disaster in making

They won't be spreading pinestraw forever. *They came here for a
better life, and they will have it. *At what cost to the rest of us,
is the question.
bruce


so you dont want them to better themselves?

you can either accept low pay immigrants to the US or see china take
the business and jobs

wrote in message
ups.com...

They won't be spreading pinestraw forever. They came here for a
better life, and they will have it. At what cost to the rest of
us,
is the question.
bruce


so you dont want them to better themselves?

you can either accept low pay immigrants to the US or see china
take
the business and jobs

What is it about "illegal" that you don't understand?
Maybe you could get an escaped convict who just wants to better
himself to work for you cheap.

Bob-tx

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:
To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly
$10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay,
they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of
your
ignorance.

Hmm. What you're saying is that we MUST hire illegals and pay them
cheaply thereby recovering some of the money we HAVE to pay in
taxes and insurance.

The alternative is to deport all the illegals. Until that happens,
however, simple economics mandates we hire as many illegals as
possible.

Thanks for pointing this out.

NO, obviously I am not saying we need to hire them - that's stupid.
The alternative is not to deport them, but to fine anyone or any
business a huge amount per illegal per day. Make it enough that it
might even put them out of business. Who cares, they are cheaters
anyway.
Also stop all free education, free medical service, and welfare for
illegals.

Then when no one will hire illegals, they will soon find their way
home, after all, they found their way here.

Bob-tx

" wrote in
ups.com:

On May 27, 2:35�pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
Frank wrote
innews:1180266034.880623.322280@h2g20
00hsg.googlegroups.com:





On May 27, 8:26 am, "Bob" wrote:
"Aztec" wrote in message

. ..

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try.
I got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work
if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly
$10,000 to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay,
they most likely are on welfare. *You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? *I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of
your ignorance.

Bob-tx

Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are working
do not bother me. *Their women walking in the park dragging around
a lot of kids do bother me. *This is the next welfare generation.

They come here to HAVE their kids,so they become US citizens.
THAT has to change.
One should only become a citizen at birth from *US* citizens.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

hey do that from day one and the only citizens will be american
indians.

that day is LONG past.


we should invite the world, at least all young immigrants to fix our
social security disaster in making



Its not engraved in granite that one born in the US by foreign visitors is
automaticallly a US citizen;it can be changed,if the US people wish to do
so.

IMO,inviting more young immigrants is not going to "fix" Social Security,it
was a scam from the beginning.
Our legislators did not even invest the SS funds,they spent them,Wrote IOUs
for the funds.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

The Sanity Inspector wrote in
:

The prevailing ethos in The United States is the rule of law. The
prevailing ethos in Mexico is the rule para la mordida. Admitting
millions of aliens with an abiding disregard for the law can't be a
good thing for a society like ours. There's a reason that America is
a land of promise and Mexico is a ********--and it isn't because of
the housing industry.


Too many people in the US do not understand this.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Bob" wrote in
:


"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:
To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly
$10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay,
they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of
your
ignorance.

Hmm. What you're saying is that we MUST hire illegals and pay them
cheaply thereby recovering some of the money we HAVE to pay in
taxes and insurance.

The alternative is to deport all the illegals. Until that happens,
however, simple economics mandates we hire as many illegals as
possible.

Thanks for pointing this out.

NO, obviously I am not saying we need to hire them - that's stupid.
The alternative is not to deport them, but to fine anyone or any
business a huge amount per illegal per day. Make it enough that it
might even put them out of business. Who cares, they are cheaters
anyway.
Also stop all free education, free medical service, and welfare for
illegals.

Then when no one will hire illegals, they will soon find their way
home, after all, they found their way here.

Bob-tx




Or they will turn to crime.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Bob wrote:

Hmm. What you're saying is that we MUST hire illegals and pay them
cheaply thereby recovering some of the money we HAVE to pay in
taxes and insurance.

The alternative is to deport all the illegals. Until that happens,
however, simple economics mandates we hire as many illegals as
possible.

Thanks for pointing this out.

NO, obviously I am not saying we need to hire them - that's stupid.
The alternative is not to deport them, but to fine anyone or any
business a huge amount per illegal per day. Make it enough that it
might even put them out of business. Who cares, they are cheaters
anyway.
Also stop all free education, free medical service, and welfare for
illegals.

Then when no one will hire illegals, they will soon find their way
home, after all, they found their way here.

Well, *I* can't fine them, arrest them, or deport them. *I* can't fine or
sanction anyone who hires them. *I* can't stop the free education, medical
services, or welfare. What *I* can do, in fact what I MUST do, is pay the
taxes to support these endeavors.

Now it seems to me that if I have to pay the taxes to support the illegals -
and I do - it's just common sense that I get something for my money -
therefore, I should hire them every chance I get.

You've given me a whole new outlook on the problem. Thanks for the
thought-provoking exercise.

"Frank" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 27, 8:26 am, "Bob" wrote:
"Aztec" wrote in message

...

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a
lot of illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a
try. I
got off real cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from
morning till dark, at a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work
if
I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they
work
cheap! Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their
drunken stupor, they'll agree to anything.

To save you a bit of money, it cost the rest of us tax payers
money - lots of money.
If they have kids, tax money goes to educate them at roughly
$10,000
to $12,000 per year per kid.
If they get sick, they go to a hospital ER and can't / don't pay.
Out insurance and or hospital bills are higher as a result.
They probably pay no federal taxes but at your slave labor pay,
they
most likely are on welfare. You know who pays for that.

Need I go on? I hope I have done something to relieve a bit of
your
ignorance.

Bob-tx


Guy's probably a troll, but candidly, the illegals that are
working do
not bother me. Their women walking in the park dragging around a
lot
of kids do bother me. This is the next welfare generation.


I thought of that as well, but it gave me a chance to get on my
soapbox and express my feelings about one of my hot buttons, the
other being the totally unfair National Sales Tax that is being
proposed. I may post on that off topic subject later.
Bob-tx

When they are disabled, or get old enough, they can apply for social
security. At that point, the feds will want to talk to you about not
withholding their social security and tax contributions, and probably
not paying the minimum wage. You will no doubt respond that you are
ignorant and stupid, but they will still convict you and recover all costs.

Aztec wrote:
Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

On May 27, 4:41 pm, " wrote:
They won't be spreading pinestraw forever. ?They came here for a
better life, and they will have it. ?At what cost to the rest of us,
is the question.
bruce

so you dont want them to better themselves?

you can either accept low pay immigrants to the US or see china take
the business and jobs


Well hell, both of those things are happening anyway! And don't
forget India, taking all the phone-bot jobs.

--
bruce
The dignified don't even enter in the game.
-- The Jam

On Sat, 26 May 2007 19:04:17 -0400, Aztec wrote:

Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at
a rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

I have a question. Is hiring an illegal for a dirt cheap wage kind
of like having a half slave. In other words if you'd hire an illegal
to get the job done cheap would you consider a slave because
it's even cheaper?

Your depost describes the problem --- you get the cheap labor, you maintain
the profit margin, the illegals get a wage and everyone else gets screwed.

Can't wait for the situation where a contractor damages the property ... the
home owner sues the contractor .. and when your insurance company realizes
yo used illegals .. walks away. Let's see what your post will be.



"Aztec" wrote in message
...
Greetings!

I recently needed some concrete work done here in AZ. We have a lot of
illegal Mexicans down here. I decided to give them a try. I got off real
cheap on my stamped concrete work. They work from morning till dark, at a
rate of about $4.25 an hour. Nice work if I might say so myself!

I'm hiring them to do some stucco work.

My question is, why is everyone against illegals? Hey, they work cheap!
Just toss them a beer every now and then, and in their drunken stupor,
they'll agree to anything.

On Tue, 29 May 2007 21:42:42 GMT, "Jacque Asse"
wrote:
Can't wait for the situation where a contractor damages the property ... the
home owner sues the contractor .. and when your insurance company realizes
yo used illegals .. walks away. Let's see what your post will be.

Two illegals leaving work from the Luxor in Las Vegas (franchise hot
dog shop). The third party (illegal) planted a bomb in the parking
lot; killing the other male in the triangle. Since admitted to a truck
bomb at Home Depot, locally.

Who gets paid in the end? In the Luxor case?

--
Oren

...through the use of electrical or duct tape, achieve the configuration in the photo..