I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

"Toller" wrote in message
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I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

I've seen houses under contruction sit for months with no serious effects.



On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

When you see those little runs of rust starting, you'll know if the money
for galvanized was worth it. In the whole scheme of things, how much will
you save compared to the risk?

On Fri, 18 May 2007 17:36:16 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)


I don't like it either to see wood get wet but my own house under
construction got rain on it and so far about 10 years later, no
problem. Therefore I agree with Edwin Pawlowski's post.

If the rust from the nails runs on the shed's paint job, will that
bother you?

On May 18, 1:36 pm, "Toller" wrote:
I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

Greetings Toller,

If you were planning on painting the shed, consider painting the
entire shed iron-oxide / brick red.

Hope this helps,
William

If you happen to already have tarps, I'd use them.

According to Toller :
I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

The framing will stand up to getting wet for a while, but if it's
too long, it _may_ warp in ways that make things difficult, and if very
long, it could start to objectionably weather/rot. Getting wet for a
week or two? Nothing to worry about.

More of a concern is plywood (eg: floor decking). If you have a
non-exterior grade plywood floor deck, if it gets really soaked, it may
start to delaminate/soften. If water doesn't puddle on the decking,
it'll handle a few rains without problem.

That said, when we had a "reconstruction" halt on our shed before
the roofing arrived, I did put in a tarp to protect the floor and
the plywood gussets on the home-made roof trusses.

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

If, say, this is formed vinyl/aluminum siding where the fasteners are
hidden, it doesn't make much difference. I'd use galvanized hex head
socket-drive _screws_ and power drive 'em. It's not as if it's
a lot of fasteners.

If the siding is board type, _especially_ if it's a composite product
(weather proof MDF, aspenite etc) or pressure treated in some way,
galvanized is really essential. Modern PT (eg: ACQ lumber) aggressively
eats non-galvanized (or casually coated) fasteners just from atmospheric
moisture, let alone getting wet. You might not see any staining,
but the siding will start falling off. Perhaps as quickly as 3-4 years.

Composite materials less so, but still.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

theres a home under construction near me, plywood floors i guess and
opening framing, construction stopped last fall and hasnt started
again.

i wonder what troubles such long exposure to the elements a ntire
winter and wet spring will cause

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Toller" wrote in message
...
I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around
to doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should
I put tarps over it?

I've seen houses under contruction sit for months with no serious effects.



On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

When you see those little runs of rust starting, you'll know if the money
for galvanized was worth it. In the whole scheme of things, how much will
you save compared to the risk?
I just got back from Lowes, where they had smaller boxes than HD. So I am
good on galvanized.

"Toller" wrote in message
...
I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around to
doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should I
put tarps over it?

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)


It's up to you. Both will hold. The uncoated will bleed rust in the
future, and even if the building is plumb, level and square in every other
respect, a glance will intimate that the construction was sloppy. The way I
look at it, if a guy won't even spend a few bucks for better nails, what
else did he skimp on?

Steve

On May 18, 2:09 pm, "Toller" wrote:
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message

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"Toller" wrote in message
...
I am building a 4x8 tool shed. I have the 4 sides up, and must buy
materials for the roof and siding. I am not sure when I will get around
to doing that. If it rains now is the framing going to be okay, or should
I put tarps over it?

I've seen houses under contruction sit for months with no serious effects.

On a related question, the siding is supposed to be installed with
galvanized nails. I hate to spend the money for them, since I have more
non-galvanized nails than I will ever use and would have to buy the
galvanized. How serious will the rust stains (I presume that is why
galvanized is called for, no?) be if I use regular nails? (upstate NY)

When you see those little runs of rust starting, you'll know if the money
for galvanized was worth it. In the whole scheme of things, how much will
you save compared to the risk?

I just got back from Lowes, where they had smaller boxes than HD. So I am
good on galvanized.

Toller-

I hope they're hot dipped not crappy electro-galv.

I'd use SS silding nails even HD gets knocked off the heads when
driving

http://www.stainless-fasteners.com/woodside.htm


not having those nails bleed through & stain the paint or the wood is
worth the $20 to me

(2 lbs ~250 nails per pound plus shipping)

Hoiw many nails do you need?

Drink water instead of beer when you're building it & that will pay
for the SS nails

cheers
Bob

On May 18, 2:44 pm, " wrote:
theres a home under construction near me, plywood floors i guess and
opening framing, construction stopped last fall and hasnt started
again.

i wonder what troubles such long exposure to the elements a ntire
winter and wet spring will cause

Quite a number, undoubtedly. Sounds like one that probably was
abandoned during construction either by a spec builder or an over-
extended buyer who couldn't afford the higher rates...

Years ago there were half a dozen of them in a new section of the
subdivision off ours that stood there for five years or more. When
the housing market picked up again, a developer bought the lot for a
song, razed them back to the footings then rebuilt and sold them all...

wrote in message
ups.com...
theres a home under construction near me, plywood floors i guess and
opening framing, construction stopped last fall and hasnt started
again.

i wonder what troubles such long exposure to the elements a ntire
winter and wet spring will cause

Ran outa money, huh? If somebody buys and restarts, they need an engineer,
or experienced carpenter, to go over the whole thing with a straightedge,
framing square, and long iron bar to thump the wood and see if anything
rings mushy. If there was standing water on the deck plywood, it is likely
warped at best, and delam'd and rotten at worst. Could be a major PITA
piecing in new decking, since it runs under the floor sills. It may be
salvagable, may be a near-teardown. Need to check foundation for bowing and
frost heave, too, but it is likely okay if properly built, and backfilled
once framing was in place. Need to check for mold, anywhere that was dark
and wet, like under the tarpaper edges, corner leads, sill plates, etc.

I've seen places like that before, usually where owner was acting as GC and
burned through personal or construction loan money faster than anticipated.
Usually sold at a very deep discount, or if abandoned for years, sold for
the land value.

aem sends...

According to :
theres a home under construction near me, plywood floors i guess and
opening framing, construction stopped last fall and hasnt started
again.

i wonder what troubles such long exposure to the elements a ntire
winter and wet spring will cause

Up here, at least, inspectors will reject trusses that have been
exposed to the weather for too long. I'm not sure what the precise
criteria they use is, but I'd assume that if the wood had turned
grey (or worse), they have to be scrapped. Perhaps considerably
before then.

I would suspect the first thing that starts to become worrisome is
repeated swell/shrink cycles (from rain/hot days) loosening
the gusset plates.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.