hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

It will build up more heat inside the globe, thus heating up the socket and
wires more. . Danger? Minimal, but I'm not going to give you permission to
use an over rated bulb.

maybe try a florescent (spelling?) bulb..

if it fits.. and you don't mind the color.. it will generate far less heat


"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:33:34 -0600, "Coloradotrout"
wrote:

maybe try a florescent (spelling?) bulb..

if it fits.. and you don't mind the color.. it will generate far less heat


"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy



Hey CT, You really in CO? Me too. High in the rockies.

"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

Practically speaking, no. They do make newer bulbs that put off the same
number of lumens as older 75 watt bulbs, but consume less energy. So you
really can't use that rating exactly anyway. It's a guide that puts you
safely in a zone. But it's not an exact thing.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:

hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

I've used 75 and 100 watt bulbs in tthe white globes that are sold for
kitchen and hall lights, maybe 6?inches. It wasn't clear that they
were burning out faster. All the bulbs in my house seemed to burn out
fast, but after 20 years of this, 2 of the 3 kitchen sockets were
damaged. The outer plastic (brown bakelight or plastic) had broken
off 2 of them and 1 of them doesn't have a good connection with the
wire. I'm replacing it. The hall lights didn't suffer near as much,
partly becasue sometimes I used a 60, or 75, and partly because I
don't run those lights near as much.

sammy wrote:

is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?


no

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400, "sammy" sammy@toast graced this
newsgroup with:

hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy



try using a non-frosted (e.g. clear) 60w bulb first. They give a a LOT
more light at the same wattage.

Be careful ---- excessive heat could cause the wires to degrade. And if by
chance a fire starts and they see the different wattage, your insurance
could be void.


"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

On Apr 28, 2:45 am, "\"Fat Tony\" D'Amico " wrote:
sammy wrote:
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

no

Then why isn't the fixture rated for 75 W bulbs?

While _probably_ minimal chance, certainly isn't _no_ increased danger
of overheating. Remember there are two, not just one, so it's really
rating the globe at 120 W vis a vis 150. I suspect the biggest
limitation is the globe, but if OP is going to use larger bulb, at
least make sure they're of the higher-efficiency type...

"Max" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400, "sammy" sammy@toast graced this
newsgroup with:

hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy



try using a non-frosted (e.g. clear) 60w bulb first. They give a a LOT
more light at the same wattage.

Nope. The light output (lumen) rating of clear and frosted bulbs is about
the same (within a percent or two). Clear bulbs are more glaring, however,
because you can see the bright filament.

TKM

On Apr 28, 12:09 am, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

Just use compact flouresent bulbs. They put out greater light with
lower power use.

In article , Newsgroup wrote:
sammy wrote:

is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?


no

Wrong.

You've obviously never seen the damage to fixture wiring that can and does
occur from prolonged use of bulbs that are too hot. There is indeed a danger
from using 75w bulbs in a fixture rated for 60w. The danger is that the excess
heat can damage the insulation on the fixture wires, and cause it to become
brittle and flake off, exposing the bare conductors. This leads to a potential
risk of a hot-to-neutral arc, and a fire.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Sammy,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to
use 60w bulbs. The 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading
out there at night. Is there any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead
of the 60w bulbs?

The biggest danger is heat. 75 watt bulbs put off more heat than 60 watt
bulbs do. While this "might not" be a problem, it is possible the excessive
heat could damage the fixture and/or the wiring. Especially with a fixture
that encloses the bulbs within a globe or cover.

Most light fixtures also require your house wiring to be rated for higher
temperatures (i.e. the newer NM-B instead of the original NM type). I have
seen the insulation on older wiring get brittle from too much heat and
break away from the wiring, leaving exposed conductors that could touch and
start a fire. However, it's probably not an issue for a ceiling fan which
has the bulbs located a fair distance from the house wiring.

In simple terms, you could probably put the 75 watt bulbs in and not have
any problems. But is the extra bit of light really worth the risk of
burning down your house? It's like putting a larger fuse in a circuit when
the correct size blows. You might get by with it for years, but it only
takes one time for the wiring to overheat and start a fire. Just because
you can, doesn't mean you should. Follow the manufacturers recommendations.

One option is to replace the 60 watt bulbs with compact fluorescent bulbs.
You can find bulbs rated for the equivalent light output (lumens) as a 75
watt bulb, but they use far less power and put off very little heat. It's a
great way to conserve energy, and safely increase your light output at the
same time. However, the fluorescent bulbs are even more sensitive to heat,
and may burn out prematurely in an enclosed fixture. The only real problem
with that is cost. But it probably wouldn't be a big problem for an outdoor
fixture that is only used occasionally.

Anthony

sammy wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy




Try those 17w or 23w spiral fluorescent lamps. They are getting pretty
good -- as long as there's no dimmer.

Bob

"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
sammy wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

Compact fluorescent is the way to go... cooler and last longer, more $$
though, but in the long run probably saves $$.

On Apr 28, 11:55 am, "John H" wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message

...

sammy wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

Compact fluorescent is the way to go... cooler and last longer, more $$
though, but in the long run probably saves $$.

But may not be as pleasant for reading as incandescent -- one could
look at an evaluation here --
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home...t/4215199.html

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:27:33 -0400, mm
wrote:

I've used 75 and 100 watt bulbs in tthe white globes that are sold for
kitchen and hall lights, maybe 6?inches. It wasn't clear that they
were burning out faster. All the bulbs in my house seemed to burn out
fast, but after 20 years of this, 2 of the 3 kitchen sockets were
damaged. The outer plastic (brown bakelight or plastic) had broken

It may well be true that I used nothing but 60's for the first 10
years out of 20. It might be that I finally decided I didn't have
enough light and started using bigger bulbs.

And it probably didn't take the full 10 or 20 years to damage the
sockets. They've been chipping off for years, and finally one is
missing all of its plastic on 50% of the circumference. Of course I
also used 100 watt bulbs sometimes.

I have a whole new fixture to put in, which is attractive and uses
neon bulbs, but before I got it in, I saw the same fixture at a
friend's, and he had taken it out saying it didn't give enough light!
Dang. My new one has two U-shaped neon bulbs, at least two-feet long,
or a totat of 5 feet per bulb. I'm hoping it will be brighter than
say 250 watts of incandescent.

off 2 of them and 1 of them doesn't have a good connection with the
wire. I'm replacing it. The hall lights didn't suffer near as much,
partly becasue sometimes I used a 60, or 75, and partly because I
don't run those lights near as much.

wrote in message
Just use compact flouresent bulbs. They put out greater light with
lower power use.


But read the label. Some are not to be enclosed. The one I have states "use
only in portable lamps that have a lampshade"

Doug Miller wrote:

In article , Newsgroup wrote:
sammy wrote:

is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?


no

Wrong.

You've obviously never seen the damage to fixture wiring that can and does
occur from prolonged use of bulbs that are too hot. There is indeed a danger
from using 75w bulbs in a fixture rated for 60w. The danger is that the excess
heat can damage the insulation on the fixture wires, and cause it to become
brittle and flake off, exposing the bare conductors. This leads to a potential
risk of a hot-to-neutral arc, and a fire.


That may be true, but enough tolerance is built in to handle that
slight heat difference. I actually should not have said to stray from
the manufacturers recommendations. My error in retrospect.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:26:21 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


wrote in message
Just use compact flouresent bulbs. They put out greater light with
lower power use.


But read the label. Some are not to be enclosed. The one I have states "use
only in portable lamps that have a lampshade"

Why a lampshade? As opposed to a globe, or so the UV won't shine in
your eyes.

On Apr 28, 7:09 am, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

If the lamp sockets are ceramic (china-like) material you may get away
with it.
If the sockets are plastic/bakelite material would not recommend it.
Even at the 'rated' wattage non-ceramic sockets often crack and
deteriorate in my experience. In fact I would even de-rate- to 40 watt
bulbs unless the fixture sockets are nice and open /well ventilated.
However for a few dollars you can usually rebuild a light fixture with
ceramic sockets. Probably cost you around ten bucks?
As others have suggested you could try non-incandescent lamps (CFLs
for example.) My opinion.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:09:06 -0400, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:

hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy



Should have a porcelain socket for 75 watt, or at least one rated for
75 watt. A plastic one may melt. Best not to exceed the max rating
sticker on the socket.

"mm" wrote in message
But read the label. Some are not to be enclosed. The one I have states
"use
only in portable lamps that have a lampshade"

Why a lampshade? As opposed to a globe, or so the UV won't shine in
your eyes.


Lampshade will allow air to move over the hot base. Globes just retain heat
and let it build.

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

I would say there's a danger if the manufacturer took the time to put a
warning on there. What I have seen on a lot of fixtures is a piece of
adhesive foil foam above the light, or where the light comes close to
anything. I'd just buy a safer higher wattage fixture and be safe.

I have used 75's and 100's in sockets for 60's but didn't feel safe with
them.

Steve

"sammy" sammy@toast wrote in message
...
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night. is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy



I am using 2 100w equivalent Daylight CF's in my office and it is quite
nice. The fixture is rated for 2 60w incandescent bulbs. It takes less
than a minute to reach full brightness.

In article , Newsgroup wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:

In article , Newsgroup wrote:
sammy wrote:

is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?


no

Wrong.

You've obviously never seen the damage to fixture wiring that can and does
occur from prolonged use of bulbs that are too hot. There is indeed a danger
from using 75w bulbs in a fixture rated for 60w. The danger is that the excess
heat can damage the insulation on the fixture wires, and cause it to become
brittle and flake off, exposing the bare conductors. This leads to a potential
risk of a hot-to-neutral arc, and a fire.


That may be true,

I'm *sure* it's true, on several counts: first, I *have* seen that damage, and
second, I'm quite sure you have *not* seen it, or you wouldn't suppose that
there is no harm in exceeding the recommendations.

but enough tolerance is built in to handle that
slight heat difference.

Guess again. That's why the manufacturer puts limits on there. If there was
enough tolerance to handle 75W safely, the socket would be marked 75W instead
of 60W.

I actually should not have said to stray from
the manufacturers recommendations. My error in retrospect.

There you go. They put those recommendations there for a reason.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

In article .com, terry wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:09 am, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

If the lamp sockets are ceramic (china-like) material you may get away
with it.

Never mind the sockets -- what about the fixture wires?

Don't do it.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
. net...
In article .com, terry
wrote:
On Apr 28, 7:09 am, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

If the lamp sockets are ceramic (china-like) material you may get away
with it.

Never mind the sockets -- what about the fixture wires?

Don't do it.


Please listen to Doug and don't do it. Especially not in something that you
won't look at for extended periods of time like a porch light.

"Mike Dobony" wrote in message
. net...

I am using 2 100w equivalent Daylight CF's in my office and it is quite
nice. The fixture is rated for 2 60w incandescent bulbs. It takes less
than a minute to reach full brightness.

I think this is the answer to the OP's problem. Just stick some CFs in
there. You can get a 100-watt equivalent for only 23 watts - well below the
60-watt limit.

"Kitep" wrote in message
I think this is the answer to the OP's problem. Just stick some CFs in
there. You can get a 100-watt equivalent for only 23 watts - well below
the 60-watt limit.

No, that is not the answer. CF are not to be used in a globe. Read the
fine print on the box and you will see then specify otherwise.

I have a Flourescent (sitting around) that I'll screw in every year or
so. Then I'll see the hue that it throws off and remember why I shelved
the stupid thing in the first place. I hate those bulbs. Hurts my eyes..

I'll pay 100 bucks a year NOT to have a headache all the time..

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

I would say there's a danger if the manufacturer took the time to put a
warning on there. What I have seen on a lot of fixtures is a piece of
adhesive foil foam above the light, or where the light comes close to
anything. I'd just buy a safer higher wattage fixture and be safe.

I have used 75's and 100's in sockets for 60's but didn't feel safe with
them.

Steve

The manufacturer put the warning on; but did so after passing a UL test
which sets upper limits to lamp wattage based upon fire and electrical
safety. The UL tests consider socket temperatures, deterioration of wire
insulation and the life of the materials used in the fixture assembly.
Exceeding the wattage limit voids the UL listing.

TKM

On 29 Apr 2007 03:36:28 -0700, terry wrote:

On Apr 28, 7:09 am, "sammy" sammy@toast wrote:
hi,

we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy


Come off the light-fixture box to two additional lights, with their
own switch loop. Then you can turn on the reading lamps only
when you actually want them.

"TKM" wrote

Exceeding the wattage limit voids the UL listing.

TKM

And just exactly what happens when one voids the UL listing?
Do you get a notice? Do the UL Police send a guy by?

Steve

"TKM" wrote in message
news

"Steve B" wrote in message
...
we have an outdoor ceiling fan with a glass globed light kit in our
screened
in porch. it takes two light bulbs. the owners manual says to use 60w
bulbs.

the 60w bulbs don't throw quite enough light for reading out there at
night.
is there
any danger in my using 75w bulbs instead of the 60w bulbs?

thanks,

sammy

I would say there's a danger if the manufacturer took the time to put a
warning on there. What I have seen on a lot of fixtures is a piece of
adhesive foil foam above the light, or where the light comes close to
anything. I'd just buy a safer higher wattage fixture and be safe.

I have used 75's and 100's in sockets for 60's but didn't feel safe with
them.

Steve

The manufacturer put the warning on; but did so after passing a UL test
which sets upper limits to lamp wattage based upon fire and electrical
safety. The UL tests consider socket temperatures, deterioration of wire
insulation and the life of the materials used in the fixture assembly.
Exceeding the wattage limit voids the UL listing.

TKM

VOIDS THE UL LISTING!!! That sounds very serious. I thought it would do
something simple like start a fire.

Steve

"Meat Plow" wrote


Been using 75 watt bulbs in two, two bulb mirrorside vertical light bars
for 16 years with no evidence of damage to the Bakelite bulb bases. And
I'm certain these fixtures are at least 25-30 years old. Guess they just
don't make em like they used to.

I've seen a lot of old fixtures where there was discoloration due to heat,
and don't think there's a very high degree of danger.

When thinking of things engineering wise, I always extrapolate to the nth
degree. Like, what if someone would put in a 2,000 watt bulb? Sometimes it
makes the visualization of the math and algebra and angles and leverage
simpler so that one can comprehend "If I do this, that happens, and if I do
that, this happens."

I, myself, like to stick to the 60w bulb in a 60w rated receptacle, but will
go against that in cases where I need more light, or the 100s are on sale.

Steve

In article , "Steve B" wrote:

"Meat Plow" wrote


Been using 75 watt bulbs in two, two bulb mirrorside vertical light bars
for 16 years with no evidence of damage to the Bakelite bulb bases. And
I'm certain these fixtures are at least 25-30 years old. Guess they just
don't make em like they used to.

I've seen a lot of old fixtures where there was discoloration due to heat,
and don't think there's a very high degree of danger.

Check the fixture wires for brittle, damaged, flaking insulation before you
decide anything about the degree of danger. It's not just the socket you need
to worry about.

When thinking of things engineering wise, I always extrapolate to the nth
degree. Like, what if someone would put in a 2,000 watt bulb? Sometimes it
makes the visualization of the math and algebra and angles and leverage
simpler so that one can comprehend "If I do this, that happens, and if I do
that, this happens."

I, myself, like to stick to the 60w bulb in a 60w rated receptacle, but will
go against that in cases where I need more light, or the 100s are on sale.

If you've been in the habit of using 100W bulbs in 60W rated fixtures, I
strongly recommend that you examine the fixture wires for damage. You might be
surprised (and appalled) at what you find.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:18:22 GMT, "Jacque Asse"
graced this newsgroup with:

Be careful ---- excessive heat could cause the wires to degrade. And if by
chance a fire starts and they see the different wattage, your insurance
could be void.



homeowners insurance doesn't work that way. They won't "void" a
policy just because of owner stupidity.

"Max" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:18:22 GMT, "Jacque Asse"
graced this newsgroup with:

Be careful ---- excessive heat could cause the wires to degrade. And if
by
chance a fire starts and they see the different wattage, your insurance
could be void.



homeowners insurance doesn't work that way. They won't "void" a
policy just because of owner stupidity.


Perhaps, but that doesn't mean they have to pay when something goes wrong.