I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred

Did you adjust the float height to make sure no water goes over the fill
tube?

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"Cornerman" wrote in message
oups.com...
I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred

Yup. The fill tube has a nice line marked.

And just to reiterate, I could still hear the drip noises with the
tank completely off the commode. I can't hear the drips with the
commode off the waste flange, so I don't think the drip noise is
simply echoing from someplace else.

Fred


On Apr 18, 11:14 pm, "Gary" wrote:
Did you adjust the float height to make sure no water goes over the fill
tube?



"Cornerman" wrote in message

oups.com...



I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred- Hide quoted text -

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On 19 Apr 2007 04:33:31 -0700, Cornerman wrote:

Yup. The fill tube has a nice line marked.

And just to reiterate, I could still hear the drip noises with the
tank completely off the commode. I can't hear the drips with the
commode off the waste flange, so I don't think the drip noise is
simply echoing from someplace else.

Fred


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So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

Put the toilet back together, flush it once, and when you
get to the dripping stage, take a coffee can or
something and shove it into the bowl to raise the water level.
This will force more water from the bowl into the drain pipe.
Then take the coffee can out, and see if the dripping stops.
If it stops, then the problem is probably that water is
wicking or slowly draining over the high side of the
bowl/trap. If it doesnt stop, then the problem is that when
you flush, water is getting trapped somewhere in the bend/wax-ring
area, and dripping out slowly.

I don't know what you'd DO about it in either case, unless
tipping the toilet with shims helps, but that should at
least help you identify the problem.

the problem is probably that water is
wicking or slowly draining over the high side of the
bowl/trap.

I agree here!! Most likely cause.
I am wondering also .......Would a defective vent line, air lock,
create a problem like this gentleman is having?
I would be interested in learning what the cause turned out to be when
you do find it. Good luck.

Dean

Cornerman wrote:
I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred



Well, the one thing nobody's mentioned yet is the fact that water does
have a coefficient of thermal expansion. It expands in volume about
0.04% per degree Fahrenheit.

And it's not unreasonable that the drain may just look act a perfect
percussion instrument to let you clearly hear every drip.

So, maybe, just maybe, if the water which filled the bowl was COLD and
slowly warmed up to room temperature, it's expand in volume by over one
percent, which could supply quite a few drops of water, 'eh? I'd
certainly expect it to keep trickling over the trap and dripping for
quite a while until it got warmed as much as it could.

The test already suggested of lowering the water level in the bowl a
little to see if the noise stops seems like a good way to "prove" where
the drip is coming from.

Now, if you could figure out where the lowest spot on the bowl horn is,
you could epoxy a length of thick string to it and let it dangle down
against the drain pipe. That was the "lazy man fix" for getting rid of
annoying drip sounds from leaking bathroom taps while waiting "forever"
for your landlord to fix them. G

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Cornerman wrote:
I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred


I know it's a bit of work, but how about pulling the bowl one more time,
standing it up off the floor over the drain flange on a couple of two by
fours on edge, filling the bowl and looking with a mirror and flashlight
to see if there's really a drip coming out of the horn.

It's not totally beyond reason that your new toilet came equipped with a
manufacturing defect which lets water bypass the trap hump somehow. If
that's the case, and you can prove it in the way I just suggested then
you should be in good shape to get a warranty replacement from the place
who sold it to you.

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...
Cornerman wrote:
I'm starting to lose it, so I thought I'd try here.

I've removed an older toilet and replaced it with a Kohler Wellworth.
I've used a wax ring with horn and set that sucker in place, and
mounted a new tank.

After flushing, and after the tank stops filling, I can hear water
flowing somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues
every 5 - 10 seconds.

After some attempts at deduction, I removed the tank. So, with just a
commode, I poured water in. Same thing. I can hear water flowing
somewhere until it slows to a drip. The drip noise continues every
5-10 seconds.

I saw no water seeping anywhere, and I have yet to see any signs of
water anywhere. And with the amount of noise I hear, I guess I'd
expect to see something somewhere.

So, I pulled the commode off. There was no tell tale signs of any
water getting past the wax seal. Everything looked bone dry.

I was thinking that maybe the excess water was simply dripping from
the horn into the pipe, and that the plastic pipe was amplifying the
noise, especially with my ear up against the commode. But I would also
expect the dripping noise to stop. But it doesn't (didnt, that is
since as of this writing, everything is uninstalled.

With no commode in place, I've poured water into the waste flange to
see if I can recreate "excess water dripping down the pipe" to no
avail.

So, sports fans... is there any chance that water in the commode is
somehow backing up and over and through the trap. And what would cause
that?

My next step is to get a wax-less Fernco ring and try again with some
crazy hope that this "excess water" was simply hanging on to the wax
and slowly dripping off forever.

Any help, sage advice, or direction to the nearest neighborhood bar
would be appreciated.

Fred


I know it's a bit of work, but how about pulling the bowl one more time,
standing it up off the floor over the drain flange on a couple of two by
fours on edge, filling the bowl and looking with a mirror and flashlight
to see if there's really a drip coming out of the horn.

It's not totally beyond reason that your new toilet came equipped with a
manufacturing defect which lets water bypass the trap hump somehow. If
that's the case, and you can prove it in the way I just suggested then you
should be in good shape to get a warranty replacement from the place who
sold it to you.

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Wouldn't it be easier to just see if the water level in the bowl continues
to drop? If the trap is completely refilled, I think all toilets drip water
over the edge of the trap for a while after flushing as the water possibly
expands from warming up and as the rest of the clinging water slowly drains
down from the water passages and the higher parts of the bowl. I can't
imagine any reason why they would not drip nor why it would be considered a
problem unless the bowl loses too much water.

Reducing the flow of the refill tube so that the trap is not completely
filled can correct the situation if it is considered a problem.
Don Young