Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.

On Apr 9, 9:09?am, wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....

Before you think about getting one of these, read these articles.
http://www.allergyclean.com/article-...dknowozone.htm
http://healthandenergy.com/ozone_damages_health.htm
http://www.airtesters.com/ionizers.cfm

Regards

Dear shazl...:

On Apr 9, 6:09 am, wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the
effectiveness of a small Ozone Generator to deal
with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying,
not simply taking a much-needed ****.

Who desexed him? It may have been the civic-minded thing to do, but
did he go voluntarily?

Bottom line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent
problem, is a small Ozone Generator (with thorough
cleaning) money well spent?

If the cat were telling you what it thinks of being desexed, making it
breathe ozone until dead might cure the problem. As an occasional
area-wide treatment of unoccupied spaces, ozone works well. Otherwise
it is hazardous to breathe, hard on most polymers (like carpet
backing), and not a good idea as you intend.

Change cats. Preferably for a dog. Of course, they "mark" if male...

David A. Smith

wrote in message
oups.com...
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.

We had a similar problem. My wife thought it was manageable until the cat
decided to **** on her pillow and she got a face full when she laid down.

Why not insist that the Mrs. diaper the cat unless he is in his sand box, in
his crate, or outside? This of course will require that the cat be bathed
on a daily basis or perhaps shaved on the diaper area so he can be cleaned
of the offending smell, but the repeated blood loss when shaving the cat
ought to go along way to convince you wife that declawing and disposing are
viable alternatives to tolerating a poorly behaved cat.

Another idea would be to have a large hollow plastic ball made and put the
cat inside. If the cat wants to spray when he is inside the ball then he can
enjoy his scent and you don't.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

On Apr 9, 8:09 am, wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.

You should have had your cat neutered much earlier. My vet says 4
months old is the right time. If you fail to neuter him or do it too
late that is what happens.

Of course you cannot get rid of the cat. It is your responsiblity
to give him a lifetime home. A cat that sprays is a big problem for
which there are few good solutions. You can try the ozone generator
for sure. Try everthing else you can think of as well. It will not
change the cats behaviour.

The cat is mad at you. Sometimes giving the cat some quality time
will change his behaviour. When you come home, immediatly pick the
cat up and give lots of scratches on his head and ears. Then carry
him to the bedroom and let him on your chest for a little while giving
him lots of pets. If you have been using a spray bottle to keep him
off the counters, stop doing that and all other negative style
training.

Keeping interior doors closes will confine the cat and his undesirable
activities. Something cat enthusiasts often do is give the cat his
own room complete with other cats and large climbing posts and
playthings he can play on. Then he stays in that room forever. Many
people will put down a cat that ****es on the family belongings. You
won't do it and neither will I but it is the only permanent
solution.

"Lawrence" wrote in message
ups.com...

Of course you cannot get rid of the cat. It is your responsiblity
to give him a lifetime home. A cat that sprays is a big problem for
which there are few good solutions. You can try the ozone generator
for sure. Try everthing else you can think of as well. It will not
change the cats behaviour.

Yes, but as the owner of the cat, you get to decide just how long that
lifetime is.



The cat is mad at you. Sometimes giving the cat some quality time
will change his behaviour. When you come home, immediatly pick the
cat up and give lots of scratches on his head and ears. Then carry
him to the bedroom and let him on your chest for a little while giving
him lots of pets. If you have been using a spray bottle to keep him
off the counters, stop doing that and all other negative style
training.

Keeping interior doors closes will confine the cat and his undesirable
activities. Something cat enthusiasts often do is give the cat his
own room complete with other cats and large climbing posts and
playthings he can play on. Then he stays in that room forever. Many
people will put down a cat that ****es on the family belongings. You
won't do it and neither will I but it is the only permanent
solution.


Enjoy the next 15 years of smelling cat **** and the joy you bring to the
potential owners of the home when you go to sell the place.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

On 9 Apr 2007 06:09:20 -0700, wrote:

Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.


Low voltage electrical grid on the baseboards.

Goedjn wrote:
On 9 Apr 2007 06:09:20 -0700, wrote:

Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.


Low voltage electrical grid on the baseboards.



Then he'll find a non baseboard surface to spray. You can't win.
FK

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:35:09 -0500, Fred Kasner
wrote:

Goedjn wrote:
On 9 Apr 2007 06:09:20 -0700, wrote:

Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.


Low voltage electrical grid on the baseboards.



Then he'll find a non baseboard surface to spray. You can't win.
FK

High voltage elecrical grid on the baseboards, then....

Goedjn wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:35:09 -0500, Fred Kasner
wrote:

Goedjn wrote:
On 9 Apr 2007 06:09:20 -0700, wrote:

Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.

Low voltage electrical grid on the baseboards.


Then he'll find a non baseboard surface to spray. You can't win.
FK

High voltage elecrical grid on the baseboards, then....

The screams will keep you awake all night long. Until he ****es on one
and then is electrocuted to death.
FK

On 9 Apr 2007 06:09:20 -0700, wrote:

Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.


I had a altered female spray. After talking to her vet, it was
observed she was understress. With their advice I had to tackle the
problem on many levels. Reduce her stresss, since it takes time to
clean up cat urine 100%, and clean up the spots. Her stress was
reduced, without medication, so cleaning up could be tackled. I had
to use an enzyne cleaner(simple solution). It took a while, but
without the stress and the smell of 'faded' markers, she stopped
spraying and my house was clean again.

tom @ www.Consolidated-Loans.info

wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray
indoors.....by a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not
simply taking a much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.

A small Ozone generator probably won't cut it. Get a big one.

wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....by
a de-sexed male cat. He is deliberately spraying, not simply taking a
much-needed ****. He is spraying on vertical surfaces.
There is almost nothing I don't know about the "territorial behaviour
issues", prevention, and cleaning. I have spoken to the local Vet in
great detail. I use an arsenal of special cleaners, and a Pheromone
preventative spray. I have also done a great deal of personal
research. Getting rid of the cat is definitely not an option.
Can you comment about Ozone Generators and their effectiveness? Bottom
line: If the Cat spraying is a persistent problem, is a small Ozone
Generator (with thorough cleaning) money well spent?
Thanks.


Having had several male cats it appears to me that your mistake was not
neutering the tom very early on. One of the hazards of early neutering
is problems with bladder crystals. Both my neutered males had such
problems and had to be watched carefully so as to apply the medication
lest they suffer from bladder crystals. One guy was very cooperative.
When he was having an attack he would **** in the bathtub and we could
see the blood in his urine. The other cried to indicate the pain. Sprays
that would drive him from spraying a vertical surface will merely force
him to find a different vertical surface to spray. Good luck, I go with
dogs now. The interem period had an all white demon kitty and a short
hair St. Bernard (the original version of the beast before they were
crossed with Newfoundlands to increase size.)

FK

Fred Kasner wrote:

Having had several male cats it appears to me that your mistake was
not neutering the tom very early on. One of the hazards of early
neutering is problems with bladder crystals. Both my neutered males
had such problems and had to be watched carefully so as to apply the
medication lest they suffer from bladder crystals. One guy was very
cooperative. When he was having an attack he would **** in the
bathtub and we could see the blood in his urine. The other cried to
indicate the pain. Sprays that would drive him from spraying a
vertical surface will merely force him to find a different vertical
surface to spray.

Crystals are caused by cheap food, high in Magnesium content.

Cats are carnivores and cannot digest plant material. Any food that does not
list a meat as its first, chief ingredient (rice, corn, etc.), should be
avoided. You can't go wrong with a national brand known for quality (Purina,
Iams, Science Diet) but you can kill your kitty with store brands.

On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 16:38:33 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote:


Cats are carnivores and cannot digest plant material. Any food that does not
list a meat as its first, chief ingredient (rice, corn, etc.), should be
avoided. You can't go wrong with a national brand known for quality (Purina,
Iams, Science Diet)

Most months.

but you can kill your kitty with store brands.

HeyBub wrote:
Fred Kasner wrote:
Having had several male cats it appears to me that your mistake was
not neutering the tom very early on. One of the hazards of early
neutering is problems with bladder crystals. Both my neutered males
had such problems and had to be watched carefully so as to apply the
medication lest they suffer from bladder crystals. One guy was very
cooperative. When he was having an attack he would **** in the
bathtub and we could see the blood in his urine. The other cried to
indicate the pain. Sprays that would drive him from spraying a
vertical surface will merely force him to find a different vertical
surface to spray.

Crystals are caused by cheap food, high in Magnesium content.

Cats are carnivores and cannot digest plant material. Any food that does not
list a meat as its first, chief ingredient (rice, corn, etc.), should be
avoided. You can't go wrong with a national brand known for quality (Purina,
Iams, Science Diet) but you can kill your kitty with store brands.



They were fed with ground horsemeat and some added table scraps. So much
for your purported expertise.
FK

On Apr 9, 9:09 am, wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to [snip]

Ozone (O3) is in the news a lot these days and has its place in the
world of chemistry, but as a consumer product has pretty much been a
failure. O3 is a very reactive material and can combine with many
chemicals very rapidly. In your case it MIGHT react with the stink in
kittys pee. The problem is that most of the 03 is used up before it
ever gets to the stinky chemicals. In order to be effective you would
have to use high concentrations of O3 which could damage you or the
surfaces you are trying to deodorize or rarely cause health
problems.

There are a couple of approaches I would take - both "natural" or
biological. (O3 is "natural" but not at high concentrations.) First,
there are products available, through vets I imagine, that contain
enzymes that act naturally to degrade the urine and the odors that are
there. Second, there are commercial cleaners that are used in public
bathrooms that contain bacteria that eat urine and odors that come
from urine. These bacteria are common harmless ones that are found in
the environment. Both these approaches are sold by Novazyme
Biologicals, and I suspect many others.

Sorry but I don't buy all the psychological approaches - but I'm a
chemist not a pet psychologist. Try both, what do you have to lose
but some stink.

I have 2 cats and 4 dogs. I swore if any of them developed bad habits
such as you're dealing with that they would have to spend pee-time
outside. We now have one inside cat and one outside cat, and it works
well for all concerned. The outside guy keeps the mouse population in
check and has a warm place to sleep and food to eat and goes to the
vet when he needs it.

If you end up with a positive solution with O3 please let the group
know. I'd like to file it away for future reference.

Good luck.

Harry

Dear hebintn:

On Apr 10, 6:18 am, "hebintn" wrote:
....
If you end up with a positive solution with O3 please
let the group know. I'd like to file it away for future
reference.

Ozone is mixed with water and sprayed on surfaces for
decontamination. As long as undissolved ozone-containing gas does not
exit the spray nozzle, and the dissolved ozone level is not too high
(5 ppm or so), and the "area of application" is well ventillated,
industry has had excellent results in surface decontamination.

None of this success will apply to an "electric room deodorizer".

David A. Smith

Try the John Wayne Bobbitt solution - amazing what doctors can do!

On Apr 10, 10:56 am, "dlzc" wrote:
Dear hebintn:

On Apr 10, 6:18 am, "hebintn" wrote:
...

If you end up with a positive solution with O3 please
let the group know. I'd like to file it away for future
reference.

Ozone is mixed with water and sprayed on surfaces for
decontamination. As long as undissolved ozone-containing gas does not
exit the spray nozzle, and the dissolved ozone level is not too high
(5 ppm or so), and the "area of application" is well ventillated,
industry has had excellent results in surface decontamination.

None of this success will apply to an "electric room deodorizer".

David A. Smith

Dave,

O3 at this low concentration, 5 ppm, would be probably be totally
reacted with non-target molecules such as soil molecules, fabric
surfaces, or most any unsaturated molecule. Are you talking
deodorization or disinfection? Doesn't matter O3 sucks at
concentrations usable on soiled surfaces for the consuming public
regardless of the hype you see on TV. Show me some data of O3
efficacy in real world surfaces.

Sounds like you've been around O3 projects. 8 ) Are you the Dave
Smith I know that works for a large consumer product company?

Harry

Dear hebintn:

On Apr 10, 10:26 am, "hebintn" wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:56 am, "dlzc" wrote:
....
Ozone is mixed with water and sprayed on surfaces for
decontamination. As long as undissolved ozone-containing
gas does not exit the spray nozzle, and the dissolved
ozone level is not too high (5 ppm or so), and the "area of
application" is well ventillated, industry has had excellent
results in surface decontamination.

None of this success will apply to an "electric room deodorizer".

Dave,

O3 at this low concentration, 5 ppm, would be probably be totally
reacted with non-target molecules such as soil molecules, fabric
surfaces, or most any unsaturated molecule. Are you talking
deodorization or disinfection?

Mox nix. Lysing the little fat pockets that cells breathe through
takes very little longer than getting double carbon bonds.

Doesn't matter O3 sucks at
concentrations usable on soiled surfaces for the consuming public
regardless of the hype you see on TV. Show me some data of O3
efficacy in real world surfaces.

Carpet would suck, and would no longer be recognizeable as carpet
after treatment.

Sounds like you've been around O3 projects. 8 )

I had a Co-60 gamma sterilizer in El Paso, so I made ozone in air with
a blue glow. Then I worked for an ozone manufacturer making ozone in
air or oxygen with a purple to blue glow. Then I worked for a gas-to-
liquid contacting company, and ozone came up a lot there also.

Are you the Dave
Smith I know that works for a large consumer product company?

I "designed" (physics, my assistant, and my boss helped much) the cell
in this ozone generator, and had much to do with the internal layout:
http://www.gewater.com/pdf/cfe1003en.pdf

So probably not me.

But nice to make your aquaintance.

David A. Smith

dlzc wrote:
Dear hebintn:

On Apr 10, 10:26 am, "hebintn" wrote:

On Apr 10, 10:56 am, "dlzc" wrote:

...

Ozone is mixed with water and sprayed on surfaces for
decontamination. As long as undissolved ozone-containing
gas does not exit the spray nozzle, and the dissolved
ozone level is not too high (5 ppm or so), and the "area of
application" is well ventillated, industry has had excellent
results in surface decontamination.

None of this success will apply to an "electric room deodorizer".

Dave,

O3 at this low concentration, 5 ppm, would be probably be totally
reacted with non-target molecules such as soil molecules, fabric
surfaces, or most any unsaturated molecule. Are you talking
deodorization or disinfection?


Mox nix. Lysing the little fat pockets that cells breathe through
takes very little longer than getting double carbon bonds.


Doesn't matter O3 sucks at
concentrations usable on soiled surfaces for the consuming public
regardless of the hype you see on TV. Show me some data of O3
efficacy in real world surfaces.


Carpet would suck, and would no longer be recognizeable as carpet
after treatment.


Sounds like you've been around O3 projects. 8 )


I had a Co-60 gamma sterilizer in El Paso, so I made ozone in air with
a blue glow. Then I worked for an ozone manufacturer making ozone in
air or oxygen with a purple to blue glow. Then I worked for a gas-to-
liquid contacting company, and ozone came up a lot there also.


Are you the Dave
Smith I know that works for a large consumer product company?


I "designed" (physics, my assistant, and my boss helped much) the cell
in this ozone generator, and had much to do with the internal layout:
http://www.gewater.com/pdf/cfe1003en.pdf

So probably not me.

But nice to make your aquaintance.

David A. Smith

Hi Dave,
I have a friend who has designed some very high efficiency bubble
diffusers (originally designed for O2 transfer).
Since the diffusers are ceramic and can be easily fitted with ozone
resistant fittings, I was wondering if you thought there would be a good
market for bubble diffusers as a replacement for injectors. (90% O2
transfer efficiency in 8' of water IIRC)
They have an incredible turn down ratio. ( I can't remember the exact
operating pressure ~20" water IIRC)
When I worked on the diffusers, I noticed there was a lot of reluctance
to try an unproven technology esp in water treatment.
Some were sold for special applications and proved very effective.
I know he has some ideas for improving transfer efficiency even further
- but could this be a solution to a problem nobody wants to solve?

Thanks in advance for any input,
Gregg

On Apr 9, 6:09 am, wrote:
Ozone Generator -vs- Cat Urine Spray?

I was hoping to get some advice regarding the effectiveness of a small
Ozone Generator to deal with the smell of Cat Urine Spray indoors.....

I was involved in some experiments years ago with removing the odor of
cigarettes from 'no smoking' rooms in hotels. Seems that maintaining
10 ppm ozone for a few hours got rid of most odors without a lot of
damage to fabrics and so on. I think it may not have succeeded
because, well, 10 ppm is a LOT of ozone, dangerous in even short
exposures, and the people that will work for hotel wages are just not
well enough trained to work with something that nasty.

The low levels of ozone made by the home ozone industry likely won't
help much with the odor, but they will, over time, damage materials
and possibly cause an asthma-like irritation.

The ozone machine has to have a reflexive control on it to maintain
ozone levels at 10 ppm too, which ups the cost a lot. We worked for
some time on a sensor for that, but most companies investigating the
deodorizing application gave up on it, as far as I know, and went into
water sterilizing instead. Liability concerns may have had something
to do with it.

Dangerous Bill

On Apr 11, 6:52 pm, "Bill Penrose" wrote:
I was involved in some experiments years ago with removing the odor of
cigarettes from 'no smoking' rooms in hotels. Seems that maintaining
10 ppm ozone for a few hours got rid of most odors without a lot of
damage to fabrics and so on. Dangerous Bill

I have been told that ozone generators work by desensitizing your
nose, rather than actually reacting with the odor source.

I have not been able to find the source for that statement though it
seems reasonable.

On Apr 12, 7:15 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 6:52 pm, "Bill Penrose" wrote:

I was involved in some experiments years ago with removing the odor of
cigarettes from 'no smoking' rooms in hotels. Seems that maintaining
10 ppm ozone for a few hours got rid of most odors without a lot of
damage to fabrics and so on. Dangerous Bill

I have been told that ozone generators work by desensitizing your
nose, rather than actually reacting with the odor source.

Both are true. When I worked around ozone without enough ventilation,
I could detect it only by the itching in my throat and a dry sensation
at the back of my nose. This effect started at 50 ppb and increased
with concentration.

I can tell you that a surprise blast of 30% ozone in the face is no
fun at all, and it was a week or more before my throat and nose
completely recovered. Luckily I didn't inhale.

But it readily destroys some organic compounds, or and renders others
sufficiently polar that they are no longer volatile. It's so reactive
that you can actually measure a concentration gradient between the
center of a room and positions adjacent to the walls.

I know that it works well on residual cigarette stink, and not very
well on dead animal stench. Other odors may vary.

Dangerous Bill

Dear timothy42b:

wrote in message
oups.com...
On Apr 11, 6:52 pm, "Bill Penrose" wrote:
I was involved in some experiments years ago with
removing the odor of cigarettes from 'no smoking'
rooms in hotels. Seems that maintaining 10 ppm
ozone for a few hours got rid of most odors without
a lot of damage to fabrics and so on.

I have been told that ozone generators work by
desensitizing your nose, rather than actually
reacting with the odor source.

I have not been able to find the source for that
statement though it seems reasonable.

Saying that a microwave cooks from the inside out sounds
reasonable, too. It still is not true.

Yes ozone will desensitize your nose... to the smell of ozone.
Enough of it will have other physiological effects as well.

Ozone will not *quite* pass from point of generation to either
double carbon bonds or less-than fully oxided sulfur without
passing through points in between. But it will come very close
to that.

David A. Smith

On Apr 13, 3:56 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"
wrote:

Saying that a microwave cooks from the inside out sounds
reasonable, too. It still is not true.

Yes ozone will desensitize your nose... to the smell of ozone.
Enough of it will have other physiological effects as well.

Ozone will not *quite* pass from point of generation to either
double carbon bonds or less-than fully oxided sulfur without
passing through points in between. But it will come very close
to that.

David A. Smith

And yet I've seen it be quite effective on a mildew smell in a space
large enough there is no chance it was really removing the odorant.

So I have to believe the desensitization is a bit more general than
you think.

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On Apr 13, 3:56 am, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)"

wrote:

Saying that a microwave cooks from the inside out
sounds reasonable, too. It still is not true.

Yes ozone will desensitize your nose... to the smell
of ozone. Enough of it will have other physiological
effects as well.

Ozone will not *quite* pass from point of generation
to either double carbon bonds or less-than fully
oxided sulfur without passing through points in
between. But it will come very close to that.

And yet I've seen it be quite effective on a mildew
smell in a space large enough there is no chance
it was really removing the odorant.

So I have to believe the desensitization is a bit
more general than you think.

You claim it had "no chance" of removing the odorant. You can
still smell mildew odors to this day. Ozone's "swamping" or
desensitization of the sense of smell (or only certain receptors)
is short lived. If the mildew odor is not present the next day,
it is because ozone did its job, found / oxidized those double
carbon bonds, and decayed fully back to oxygen.

So I have to believe you have not thought this all through. I
have breathed 10+wt% ozone on a couple of occasions. I can still
smell ozone, and a lot of other things.

Ozone is not a magic bullet. Even for your sense of smell.

David A. Smith

replying to shazlikd, dr joseph wrote:
the only thin that works is enzyme cleaners specifically for urine. This is an
old thread but for anyone browsing, theres a product called angry orange (you
can buy on amazon ) that works great, its important for the product to sit til
it air dries.. it can take days or weeks for the enzymes to eat the pee and
sometomes multiple treatments.

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On 11/6/18 6:44 AM, dr joseph wrote:
replying to shazlikd, dr joseph wrote:
the only thin that works is enzyme cleaners specifically for urine. This is an
old thread but for anyone browsing, theres a product called angry orange (you
can buy on amazon ) that works great, its important for the product to sit til
it air dries.. it can take days or weeks for the enzymes to eat the pee and
sometomes multiple treatments.

Sooner or later, cats get ****ed at you and start peeing all over everything in your house.Â* Best thing is to euthanize the phuking cat before it happens.

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On 11/6/18 6:44 AM, dr joseph wrote:
replying to shazlikd, dr joseph wrote:
the only thin that works is enzyme cleaners specifically for urine. This
is an
old thread but for anyone browsing, theres a product called angry orange
(you
can buy on amazon ) that works great, its important for the product to
sit til
it air dries.. it can take days or weeks for the enzymes to eat the pee
and
sometomes multiple treatments.

Sooner or later, cats get ****ed at you and start peeing all over
everything in your house.

Never ever had any cat ever do that. One cat,
when I was a teenager, did **** in the bottom
of the wardrobe on a rucksack, just the once.
Presumably it managed to get shut in that
room by accident and had to **** somewhere.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 03:49:42 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Sooner or later, cats get ****ed at you and start peeing all over
everything in your house.

Never ever had any cat ever do that.

Do you get some sort of tiny online orgasm every time you find an occasion
to contradict someone, you ridiculous senile auto-contradictor? LOL

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replying to shazlikd, Nabil wrote:
Sorry for chiming in a bit late to the discussion, but I really feel like I
need to add my 2 cents. Cats don't just pee on floors and beds because they're
in pain - could be a multitude of other reasons! Most common is that male cats
feel the need to mark their territory.

As for myself, I finally found something that works for the cat pee smell in
my home!

What a relief to finally have gotten rid of the horrible cat pee smell, and
without any expensive sprays at that.

Registered an account only to say this:

One of my 2 cats (both neutered males) had taken to painting all of my walls,
furniture, and anything else he could reach. I was horrified when I got a UV
light. He never did that in all of the 9 years I've had him and didn't when I
got him a buddy (they love each other and did so right away) but when a
strange black cat started showing up outside both of my cats went nuts and the
older one (9) started his wall painting, as well as the curtains out in the
kitty room. I couldn't keep up with it.

My cats are indoor cats so it's not like the stray is actually going to get in
here but they both hate him (and he is weird...my neighbor's cats hate him
too). I've tried cleaning with a pet urine enzyme and then spraying some "No
More Spraying" but that hasn't worked.

He's a sneaky little bugger too; he waits until he thinks I'm not looking and
then does it. He's learned that the minute I see him backing his butt up to
something he gets yelled at. It wasn't until I found "Cat Spraying No More"
that I was able to finally get rid of this tiresome behavior. Now my house
doesn't smell like a litter box anymore :smile:


I'm based in Germany, by the way, so you should be able to get it too. Good
luck!

Jennie

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