OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:58 -0400, mm
wrote:

OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?


Too many variables for a stock answer to make any sense,
but if the victim is concious, you may have trouble keeping
someone still if they can't see what's going on.

I wouldn't reposition an unconcious victim at all,
unless they were having breathing trouble, or bleeding
significantly.

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:58 -0400, mm
wrote:

OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?

I'm not a doctor. Once on my job I instructed one to call 911. They
(911) questioned what was wrong. Over the radio I stated CPR was
being done. Medics were there in minutes.

The CPR providers were given monetary awards, based on my report.

I do not practice medicine; exposing a breast will get you sued.

--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:52:31 -0400, Goedjn wrote:

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:58 -0400, mm
wrote:

OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?


Too many variables for a stock answer to make any sense,
but if the victim is concious, you may have trouble keeping
someone still if they can't see what's going on.

A snake bite in a lower leg: sit the victim up, preventing poison too
the heart and brain. Keep contained to the leg/bite area.

I wouldn't reposition an unconcious victim at all,
unless they were having breathing trouble, or bleeding
significantly.

ABC's.
--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:52:31 -0400, Goedjn wrote:

On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:58 -0400, mm
wrote:

I wouldn't reposition an unconcious victim at all,
unless they were having breathing trouble, or bleeding
significantly.

Wasn't there a Darwin Award? One guy goes too save his fellow and is
electrocuted from the same downed wire.
--
Oren

"The voices in my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!"

"Oren" wrote in message
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:24:58 -0400, mm
wrote:

OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?

I'm not a doctor. Once on my job I instructed one to call 911. They
(911) questioned what was wrong. Over the radio I stated CPR was
being done. Medics were there in minutes.

The CPR providers were given monetary awards, based on my report.

I do not practice medicine; exposing a breast will get you sued.

--
Oren

You got sued for exposing your breasts?

I'd probably get sued too, but more for causing unnecessary suffering in the
office place for showing my man-boobs.

Finding the keyboard operational
mm entered:

OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something about
putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.

Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the brain,
when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling people
to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious when
the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external bleeding?

I haven't worked as an EMT in a number of years but the rule of thumb was
Airway, Breathing, Circulation (ABC) then control profuse bleeding and only
move or reposistion the patient if it is necessary to prevent further injury
until secondary assesment is done.
As someone else points out with the example of getting electrocuted by
downed wire, the first rule is Don't Become A Victim Yourself!
Bob
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The old jingle is "if he's red, raise his head. If he's pail
raise his tail."

I'd guess that the padded jacket is for comfort, and to keep the
ground from chilling the victim.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"mm" wrote in message
news : OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something
about
: putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.
:
: Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the
brain,
: when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling
people
: to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious
when
: the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external
bleeding?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
The old jingle is "if he's red, raise his head. If he's pail
raise his tail."

I'd guess that the padded jacket is for comfort, and to keep the
ground from chilling the victim.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
.

"mm" wrote in message
news : OT This is very OT, but again on the radio I hear something
about
: putting a folded jacket under the head of an accident victim.
:
: Is this really a good idea? Doesn't it drain blood from the
brain,
: when that can be needed? They are also, on tv, often telling
people
: to stay conscious. Doesn't it make it harder to stay conscious
when
: the head is elevated, if there is any internal or external
bleeding?

I'm no paramedic, but IIRC the warnings about not elevating the head are to
prevent aggravating any possible spinal damage, and avoid constricting the
airway, before a trained pro can make sure all the fingers and toes still
have sensation. Basically, clear the airway if victim isn't breathing, but
otherwise discourage them from moving till ambulance gets there. Cover with
coats or whatever if it looks like they are getting shocky.

I'm sure somebody with actual training will be along shortly to correct me.

aem sends...

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:13:24 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

The old jingle is "if he's red, raise his head. If he's pail
raise his tail."

I don't think I've ever heard that before. It answers my question,
and one I didn't ask. Although the warnings about not moving people
that others have given seem to still apply.

I wonder how many people ever are in the situation to need to know
what to do.

I'd guess that the padded jacket is for comfort, and to keep the
ground from chilling the victim.

Hmmm. What a coincidence. I"m watching Stark right now, and after I
started writing this post, someone shoots the judge in the side and
someone else immediately puts a foled up jacket under his head, even
though there is carpet in the courtroom.

mm wrote:

On Thu, 5 Apr 2007 18:13:24 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

The old jingle is "if he's red, raise his head. If he's pail
raise his tail."

I don't think I've ever heard that before. It answers my question,
and one I didn't ask. Although the warnings about not moving people
that others have given seem to still apply.

I learned that saying in the boy scouts in the 60's. I was a paramedic in the
80's. If the person may be seriously injured, *move them only to save them from
near certain death*. Examples might be cardiac arrest, actual visible fire,
electrocution, or drowning.

Putting a nice comfy jacket under the head of a person with an unstable neck
fracture could turn them into a quadriplegic.

This assumes that you've got professional EMS service within a reasonable
response time, say 30 minutes. If you are way into the back country, you've got
a 'hole nuther set of problems.

-- Doug