All,
beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out of
Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is a
crook, who writes bad checks. He is untrustworthy and does not do
anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect as
well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does. This
company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
checks. Stay away

wrote:
All,
beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out of
Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is a
crook, who writes bad checks. He is untrustworthy and does not do
anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect as
well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does. This
company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
checks. Stay away

Gee, ya must have a really really really big kitchen .

wrote:

All,
beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out of
Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is a
crook, who writes bad checks. He is untrustworthy and does not do
anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect as
well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does. This
company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
checks. Stay away

You might want to consider whether you want to defend yourself against a
slander / libel / defamation lawsuit before your next pass at spamming
various newsgroups.

If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

Pete C. wrote:
wrote:

All,
beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out of
Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is a
crook, who writes bad checks. He is untrustworthy and does not do
anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect as
well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does. This
company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
checks. Stay away

You might want to consider whether you want to defend yourself against a
slander / libel / defamation lawsuit before your next pass at spamming
various newsgroups.

wrote:

If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.


That's a big if, and he should refrain from spamming until he has a
legal judgment to back it up.

wrote:
If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

Pete C. wrote:
wrote:
All,
beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out of
Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is a
crook, who writes bad checks. He is untrustworthy and does not do
anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect as
well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does. This
company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
checks. Stay away
You might want to consider whether you want to defend yourself against a
slander / libel / defamation lawsuit before your next pass at spamming
various newsgroups.


The only way he could prove that would be to produce the docket number
where he was found correct. Anything else is conjecture.

writes:

If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

How can the poster guarantee, however "does not do anything he says he
is contracted for."

Those are silly statements of fact that take only a single completed
contract to disprove.

You're usually safe if you stick to posting factual information you
can prove about your own personal experience, but generalizing is a
good way to get yourself in trouble.

AT any rate the cabinet maker dude sounds like a real ass to be
avoided based on what the guy has posted.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

"Todd H." wrote in message ...
writes:

If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

How can the poster guarantee, however "does not do anything he says he
is contracted for."

Those are silly statements of fact that take only a single completed
contract to disprove.

You're usually safe if you stick to posting factual information you
can prove about your own personal experience, but generalizing is a
good way to get yourself in trouble.

AT any rate the cabinet maker dude sounds like a real ass to be
avoided based on what the guy has posted.

I remember the lemon decorated cars parked across the street from auto
dealerships. There were court granted injunctions, in some cases. Now we
have Usenet and don't have to do that. This libel/slander stuff is probably
not applicable in cases such as these as the contractor would have to
demonstrate damage. I would not worry about statements such as the one
below.

"You might want to consider whether you want to defend yourself against a
slander / libel / defamation lawsuit before your next pass at spamming
various newsgroups."

wrote in message
oups.com...
If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

True, but it can cost him thousands in legal fees to prove it is facts.

wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| wrote:
| All,
| beware of a cabinet company called Gourmet Kitchens Design based out
of
| Sacramento, CA and has an office in Danville, ca. The owner Rick is
a
| crook, who writes bad checks.


my checks would have been valid had the one you wrote me cleared.




He is untrustworthy and does not do
| anything he says he is contracted for. His customer service is the
| worst and when you confornt him he lies. His wife Cathy is suspect
as
| well, only because she probably doesn't know what he does.


actually Kathy does know what I am doing.
you are just another customer that refuses to pay for the extras that
were not in the original contract.



This
| company shafted me on kitchen cabinets worth 100,000 just becuase of
| his design mistakes and his inability to fix them. almost two years
| later I now have to turn him into the DA's office for writing bad
| checks. Stay away

design mistakes?
what mistakes?
you never mentioned that to me in person.
instead you complain where no-one knows you or me.
keep it up and you will have your hands full of legal matters.




|
| Gee, ya must have a really really really big kitchen .


actually it wasn't that big of a kitchen
just quality cabinets for agreat price.
I could have sold them for $125,000
I do need to put 3 kids in college soon.
|

Not really- a signed contract, copies of any cancelled checks/receipts,
and a photo showing work was not done. Add a phone log showing
attempts to contact and its pretty cut and dried that the contractor
did not deliver. The passing bad checks statement may be a sticy point
but saying "XXX did not deliver , took my money etc" is easily proven.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
If he can prove the company did not deliver as promised the poster is
well within his rights to post facts.

True, but it can cost him thousands in legal fees to prove it is facts.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Not really- a signed contract, copies of any cancelled checks/receipts,
and a photo showing work was not done. Add a phone log showing
attempts to contact and its pretty cut and dried that the contractor
did not deliver. The passing bad checks statement may be a sticy point
but saying "XXX did not deliver , took my money etc" is easily proven.


What about the legal fees when the other guy drags him through the courts?

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
et...

wrote in message
oups.com...
Not really- a signed contract, copies of any cancelled checks/receipts,
and a photo showing work was not done. Add a phone log showing
attempts to contact and its pretty cut and dried that the contractor
did not deliver. The passing bad checks statement may be a sticy point
but saying "XXX did not deliver , took my money etc" is easily proven.


What about the legal fees when the other guy drags him through the courts?


The best free advice I ever got from an attorney: "You don't know the answer
until the judge tells you"

Charlie

Todd H. wrote:

AT any rate the cabinet maker dude sounds like a real ass to be
avoided based on what the guy has posted.

I don't want to take sides here because I don't know either party
involved, but I would never make a decision based on a post like that.

I once hired a contractor to do some exterior house repair and painting
for me. He

- hired a teenager who had never used a power washer to wash the house.
The teenager promptly sprayed water into my attic vents before he ran
out of gas and stood around for 30 minutes not knowing what to do.

- used nongalvanized nails to put up exterior siding, which naturally
started rusting through the paint within a week.

- used only one coat of paint on some sections of the house, allowing
the initial gary color of the siding to show through.

- got a bathroom remodel job in the middle of my job and left mine
without saying anything to go do that one.

- ignored so many calls to come back and complete the job that I was
about to go file suit against him when he finally came back and did a
rush-job finish.

Those are all specific, factual claims that give an accurate depiction
of the contractor. The original post here was full of exaggeration and
speculation. It was not so much a warning against a contractor as it is
an angry consumer's venting -- but there are a lot of unreasonable
consumers out there who vent against good, professional contractors
simply because the contractor won't jump through their hoops. The
somewhat irrational nature of the original post makes me suspect that
the fault here does not lie entirely with the contractor -- and maybe
not at all with the contractor.

What about the legal fees when the other guy drags him through the courts?


As long as its true and legal, its should be covered by the homeowner's
policy. Contractor sues he will spend thousands out of his pocket while
homeowner pays insurance deductible to defend and could counter sue and go
after his license. Plus the courts favor the consumer, in particular in
California. Stay out of the courts if its possible as anything could happen.
Sometimes it doesn't come down as who is right as much as who got the better
lawyer or got lucky getting the right judge. Try to get a judge who got
screwed in a kitchen project would be a good bet.

BZ wrote:
It was not so much a warning against a contractor as it is
an angry consumer's venting -- but there are a lot of unreasonable
consumers out there who vent against good, professional contractors
simply because the contractor won't jump through their hoops. The
somewhat irrational nature of the original post makes me suspect that
the fault here does not lie entirely with the contractor -- and maybe
not at all with the contractor.

Reminds me of a case..... A client hires an architect.

Client claims is unhappy with the architect, refuses to pay for
drawings, fires architect when design is about 60% complete.

Client hires a contractor to build the house based on the incomplete,
unfinished, and unsealed drawings from the architect, that the client
has still not paid for, without knowledge of the architect.

Contractor cannot complete the house based on those plans.

Client sues architect for incompetence and malpractice, based on the
fact that the contractor couldn't finish the house.

Go figure. It cost the architect a bundle to avoid paying for the
house, although the client and the contractor violated several laws and
the county permitting department issued a building permit on the basis
of unsealed drawings, another violation of state law.

I put little stock in customer rants....

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 09:53:49 -0800, CptDondo
wrote:

BZ wrote:
It was not so much a warning against a contractor as it is
an angry consumer's venting -- but there are a lot of unreasonable
consumers out there who vent against good, professional contractors
simply because the contractor won't jump through their hoops. The
somewhat irrational nature of the original post makes me suspect that
the fault here does not lie entirely with the contractor -- and maybe
not at all with the contractor.

Reminds me of a case..... A client hires an architect.

Client claims is unhappy with the architect, refuses to pay for
drawings, fires architect when design is about 60% complete.

Client hires a contractor to build the house based on the incomplete,
unfinished, and unsealed drawings from the architect, that the client
has still not paid for, without knowledge of the architect.

Contractor cannot complete the house based on those plans.

Client sues architect for incompetence and malpractice, based on the
fact that the contractor couldn't finish the house.

Go figure. It cost the architect a bundle to avoid paying for the
house, although the client and the contractor violated several laws and
the county permitting department issued a building permit on the basis
of unsealed drawings, another violation of state law.

I put little stock in customer rants....

Architect recovers losses by suing for copyright infringement...

"CptDondo" wrote in message
...
BZ wrote:
It was not so much a warning against a contractor as it is an angry
consumer's venting -- but there are a lot of unreasonable consumers out
there who vent against good, professional contractors simply because the
contractor won't jump through their hoops. The somewhat irrational
nature of the original post makes me suspect that the fault here does not
lie entirely with the contractor -- and maybe not at all with the
contractor.

Reminds me of a case..... A client hires an architect.

Client claims is unhappy with the architect, refuses to pay for drawings,
fires architect when design is about 60% complete.

Client hires a contractor to build the house based on the incomplete,
unfinished, and unsealed drawings from the architect, that the client has
still not paid for, without knowledge of the architect.

Contractor cannot complete the house based on those plans.

Client sues architect for incompetence and malpractice, based on the fact
that the contractor couldn't finish the house.

Go figure. It cost the architect a bundle to avoid paying for the house,

Another architect without malpractice insurance?

although the client and the contractor violated several laws and
the county permitting department issued a building permit on the basis of
unsealed drawings, another violation of state law.


Didn't the architect put a lien on the house for non payment? I think if the
homeowner fake the wet stamp on the plans to get it through the permit
department, that's a felony in my state. Anyway looks like the homeowner
could be in a lot of trouble if the architect wants to pursue it.

I put little stock in customer rants....

this is a bull**** story if I ever heard one
most town halls will give you "their" stamp on the plans (don't need
architects stamp)
heck, I could get a building permit if I wrote a plan on a napkin and
town hall approves it ,and they will, as long as you are not building
with engineered lumber.

if the client fired the architect before the plans were finished
the architect is not responsible for any damages.
but should have placed a lien on the property.
and as for the contractor who took the job and didn't complete the
project based on the incomplete plans.
He is still liable to complete the job if under contract.
most contracts state that the project will be completed as per plan.
it sounds like the client was out to screw everyone involved from day 1.
the client must have been a lawyer.





"CptDondo" wrote in message
...
| BZ wrote:
| It was not so much a warning against a contractor as it is
| an angry consumer's venting -- but there are a lot of unreasonable
| consumers out there who vent against good, professional contractors
| simply because the contractor won't jump through their hoops. The
| somewhat irrational nature of the original post makes me suspect
that
| the fault here does not lie entirely with the contractor -- and
maybe
| not at all with the contractor.
|
| Reminds me of a case..... A client hires an architect.
|
| Client claims is unhappy with the architect, refuses to pay for
| drawings, fires architect when design is about 60% complete.
|
| Client hires a contractor to build the house based on the incomplete,
| unfinished, and unsealed drawings from the architect, that the client
| has still not paid for, without knowledge of the architect.
|
| Contractor cannot complete the house based on those plans.
|
| Client sues architect for incompetence and malpractice, based on the
| fact that the contractor couldn't finish the house.
|
| Go figure. It cost the architect a bundle to avoid paying for the
| house, although the client and the contractor violated several laws
and
| the county permitting department issued a building permit on the basis
| of unsealed drawings, another violation of state law.
|
| I put little stock in customer rants....

"Rick" wrote in message
...
I could get a building permit if I wrote a plan on a napkin and
town hall approves it ,and they will, as long as you are not building
with engineered lumber.

Good for you. In my town you won't for a major project, like a house.

Rick wrote:
this is a bull**** story if I ever heard one
most town halls will give you "their" stamp on the plans (don't need
architects stamp)
heck, I could get a building permit if I wrote a plan on a napkin and
town hall approves it ,and they will, as long as you are not building
with engineered lumber.


Ever try to build in a hurricane state? You need an architect's *and*
an engineer's stamp on *every* set of plans you submit. You also need
surveyor's certificates of flood elevation.

In other states, it may be different. Just because "it ain't that way
where I live" doesn't mean it holds for the rest of the world....