Hi

I have recently installed 6 (35 Watt) landscape lights, on a 300 Watt
transformer.

It is 12 V AC, on about 50 meters of cable.

Light number 1 and 2 perform as expected.
Light number 2 is about 20 meter from the transformer.

Light number 3 - 6 is dim, but does not get progressively dimmer from 3
to 6.

Why would this be?

I am ruling out excessive voltage drop because light 3 and 6 is glowing
at the same brightness.

Could this be because of a short?

Thanks

wrote:
Hi

I have recently installed 6 (35 Watt) landscape lights, on a 300 Watt
transformer.

It is 12 V AC, on about 50 meters of cable.

Light number 1 and 2 perform as expected.
Light number 2 is about 20 meter from the transformer.

Light number 3 - 6 is dim, but does not get progressively dimmer from
3 to 6.

Why would this be?

I am ruling out excessive voltage drop because light 3 and 6 is
glowing at the same brightness.

Could this be because of a short?

Thanks

It is voltage drop due to the length of the line. You could try adding
an additional line, using heavier conductors and bringing it directly to the
last fixture you currently have. Make sure you don't reverse polarity. :-)
I suggest that different lamps react differently to voltage drops.
Manufacturing differences and age can make some more sensitive than others.

You also may try moving the bulbs around and see if it follows the lamp
or the socket. There may also be problems with poor connections. As I
recall many of these use piercing wire type connections. They are subject
to high resistance connections and to possible corrosion. That could also
be an issue.

Good Luck

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

Hi Joseph
Thanks for the reply.

Would voltage drop affect only the last four fixtures on the line and
each of them in exactly the same way?

I will check all the connections again on the weekend, these were not
the piercing kind, so it could well be my fault for doing a bad job
when connecting.

I will concider all your options and see how it works out.

Oh, I also wondered if LED bulbs would maybe solve my problem? I have
read on some sites that they are much more tolerant in conditions were
voltage drop exists.

wrote:
Hi Joseph
Thanks for the reply.

Would voltage drop affect only the last four fixtures on the line and
each of them in exactly the same way?

It would effect all lamps once the voltage drop reached a certain level.
I do find it odd that four lamps would be affected the same way, but there
are possible reasons You also might want to try moving the first affected
and last non-effected lamps to the end; switching the end ones into their
locations.


I will check all the connections again on the weekend, these were not
the piercing kind, so it could well be my fault for doing a bad job
when connecting.

I will concider all your options and see how it works out.

Oh, I also wondered if LED bulbs would maybe solve my problem? I have
read on some sites that they are much more tolerant in conditions were
voltage drop exists.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

Hi Joseph, thanks again.
I am going to switch the globes around today.
Will do all the rest of the checks over the weekend.

LOL I also have an electrical engineer on the job now, my cousin. So I
am sure I will get this sorted out.

Thanks again. Will keep you posted with the progress

Joseph Meehan wrote:
wrote:
Hi Joseph
Thanks for the reply.

Would voltage drop affect only the last four fixtures on the line and
each of them in exactly the same way?

It would effect all lamps once the voltage drop reached a certain level.
I do find it odd that four lamps would be affected the same way, but there
are possible reasons You also might want to try moving the first affected
and last non-effected lamps to the end; switching the end ones into their
locations.


I will check all the connections again on the weekend, these were not
the piercing kind, so it could well be my fault for doing a bad job
when connecting.

I will concider all your options and see how it works out.

Oh, I also wondered if LED bulbs would maybe solve my problem? I have
read on some sites that they are much more tolerant in conditions were
voltage drop exists.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
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wrote:
Hi

I have recently installed 6 (35 Watt) landscape lights, on a 300 Watt
transformer.

It is 12 V AC, on about 50 meters of cable.

[snip]

You could try adding an additional line, using heavier conductors and
bringing it directly to the last fixture you currently have. Make sure
you don't reverse polarity. :-)

[snip Joseph Meehan

The OP may have overlooked this suggestion -- to configure the conductor as
a loop which terminates back at the transformer. This will make all of the
lights of equal brightness. As JM said -- "Make sure you don't reverse
polarity. :-)" !!

JimR wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
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wrote:

Hi

I have recently installed 6 (35 Watt) landscape lights, on a 300 Watt
transformer.

It is 12 V AC, on about 50 meters of cable.


[snip]

You could try adding an additional line, using heavier conductors and
bringing it directly to the last fixture you currently have. Make sure
you don't reverse polarity. :-)


[snip Joseph Meehan

The OP may have overlooked this suggestion -- to configure the conductor as
a loop which terminates back at the transformer. This will make all of the
lights of equal brightness. As JM said -- "Make sure you don't reverse
polarity. :-)" !!



Would that be Style 6 or Style 7?

nate

(sorry, been staring at fire alarm stuff too long...)

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wrote:
Hi

I have recently installed 6 (35 Watt) landscape lights, on a 300 Watt
transformer.

It is 12 V AC, on about 50 meters of cable.

Light number 1 and 2 perform as expected.
Light number 2 is about 20 meter from the transformer.

Light number 3 - 6 is dim, but does not get progressively dimmer from 3
to 6.

Why would this be?

I am ruling out excessive voltage drop because light 3 and 6 is glowing
at the same brightness.

Could this be because of a short?

Thanks

Are all of the lights and sockets the same?

Have you tried switching or replacing the lights? You could, for
example, try switching lights 1 and 2 with lights 3 and 4. Actually,
you might want to try switch all of the 3 - 6 lights with the 1 and 2
lights.

What gauge of wire is used?

Is the gauge the same to all the lights?

Are the lights all wired in parallel?

What is the available voltage at each socket?

I think it could be possible, incidentally, that you could have a
partial short between lights 2 and 3. You could try running a jumper
cable (wire pair) from light number 2 to the rest of the lights. You
would have to disconnect the existing connection between 2 and 3 to do
this.

Hi
Thanks for all the suggestions.

I switched the lights around yesterday, thinking it could be a faulty
fitting or globe/bulb, still remains the same.

I will do a voltage test on the w/e and see if there is any major
difference between lights 1 through 6.

There are also two connections between lights 2 and 3 that I want to
check, one that joins the two cables and one of course where light 2
joins the cable.

I do not know the gauge of the wire in American standards but it is 1.5
mm single core wire. The lights are wired in parallel as it is an AC
circuit, I believe there is not another option.

JimR wrote:

The OP may have overlooked this suggestion -- to configure the conductor as
a loop which terminates back at the transformer. This will make all of the
lights of equal brightness.

The ones in the middle may be dimmer, but this is a good idea,
known as "ring mains" inside UK houses.

Nick

wrote:
JimR wrote:

The OP may have overlooked this suggestion -- to configure the
conductor as a loop which terminates back at the transformer. This
will make all of the lights of equal brightness.

The ones in the middle may be dimmer, but this is a good idea,
known as "ring mains" inside UK houses.

Nick

It also has the advantage of keeping the lights on if one connection
fails.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

Two more days to go and then the problem shooting begins.

I will first try and isolate the possibility of a short or partial
short in the system, that will be the least effort and the least amount
of digging :-D

Then I will see if I can get my hands on a multimeter to see whether
voltage drop exists in the system, if so I will maybe boost the voltage
to 14V or so, then the last ligths will receive the 12V they need, but
I will need a resistor on the first two lights so they wont get fried.

If that is not an option I will add a second conductor to the system
and wire the lights in the loop pattern, using a higher gauge
conductor.

Thanks very much for all the suggestions, will keep you posted.

Hi

Ok who wants to take bets on what it was ?

Yeah ok it was voltage drop.

I checked the 3 connections that could have been the source of a short,
nothing wrong.

So I moved the transformer roughly 15 to 20 meters down the line which
makes the circuit resemble a Y. I am getting around 10V on the first
couple of lights and around 7V on the last couple.

Much better, not ideal but much better.

Thanks very much for all the assistance.