I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

Thanks in advance!

Possibly a neutral for some function of the thermostat? In any event, figure
out which two wires complete the circuit to the heaters and use them on the
new thermostat


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I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

Thanks in advance!

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I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

This is a complete WAG but ....

Your thermostat may have some kind of "heat antitipater" circuit built in.

The white wire may provide the return path to power going to an internal
heater. If so, the thermostat should have a definite voltage rating (120
or 240) since the resistor would get 4 times the power at the higher
voltage.

The easy way to check this is to label the wires, remove the thermostat and
do some checking with a VOM. If my WAG is correct then at a very high
setting the Red and Black should be connected (zero ohms) and the white wire
would have something on the order of 40 k ohms to either red or black. At a
very low setting the red & black will be disconnected from each other but
there will will be the 40k reading between white and ONE of the two colored
wires. The colored wire that's always connected to the resistor is the
LOAD side.

Interesting concept, but a moot point, if he's replacing it


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I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

This is a complete WAG but ....

Your thermostat may have some kind of "heat antitipater" circuit built in.

The white wire may provide the return path to power going to an internal
heater. If so, the thermostat should have a definite voltage rating
(120
or 240) since the resistor would get 4 times the power at the higher
voltage.

The easy way to check this is to label the wires, remove the thermostat
and
do some checking with a VOM. If my WAG is correct then at a very high
setting the Red and Black should be connected (zero ohms) and the white
wire
would have something on the order of 40 k ohms to either red or black. At
a
very low setting the red & black will be disconnected from each other but
there will will be the 40k reading between white and ONE of the two
colored
wires. The colored wire that's always connected to the resistor is the
LOAD side.

wrote:

I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

Thanks in advance!

The extra wire could be a line for a relay... just a guess.

Do your hear a click near the breaker box when turn the thermostat on?

wrote:

I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless

You mentioned that there are two breakers for the heat, I assume that you
mean there is one double pole breaker, and the poles are tied together so
that they both shut off together. One pole of the breaker is connected to
one bus of the breaker box, the other pole is connected to the other bus.

Typical wiring for 240 volt circuit would be:
Black = HOT (first bus)
Red = HOT (second bus) (other bus or leg from the BLACK)
White = Neutral

There are 120 volts between Black and White
There are 120 volts between Red and White
There are 240 volts between Black and Red.

For strict 240 volt applications, the neutral is not needed. Not sure why
your thermostat would need a neutral, unless it uses 120 volts for some
reason. Perhaps you can find out the thermostat model number and work back
from there. As somebody else suggested, it is possible that it uses 120
volts for a heat anticipator. If you know how to use a volt meter SAFELY,
perhaps you can try that as well to verify.

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I have line volt thermostats for each of the baseboard heaters in my
condo. The thermostats are old analog and ugly. I want to replace
them with electronic thermostats. I pulled one of the old thermostats
off the wall to check the wiring. A single pole should have 2 wires,
while a double pole has four. My thermostats have 3 wires plus a
ground. One red, one black and one white. On the electrical panel,
there are 2 breakers for the heat, so I'm assuming it's 240 volts to
the heaters. I've looked for hours on the web, and I can't find an
example wiring diagram that matches what I have. Any ideas or
suggestions? The mini wiring diagram on the old thermostat shows it to
be a single pole with one wire to line and one to load. No mention of
the third wire at all, making it rather useless.

Thanks in advance!


The third wire has to do with the way the overload is wired into the
circuit.

Does this diagram help.
http://www.smarthome.com/manuals/300604.pdf