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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to
the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? --zeb |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. R OSHA snafu |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour"
wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. Unlike those, NEC does sound like a word. People often do say those as words. I grew up at the time of the Apollo program. They had a lot of those initials that got pronounced as words, like Portable Life Support System and Lunar Excursion Module that were usually pronounced "pliss" and "limb". -- 52 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour"
wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. TLAs (Three letter acronyms) are usually spelled out. Longer acronyms are usually pronounced, if the result is pronouncable. That's why it's D.O.D. and E.P.A and "FEMA" Generally with adjectives inserted. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
RicodJour wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. R Yes, but they do say "oh-sha" for OSHA, "na-sa" for NASA, "pee-ta" for PETA, ergo the question. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:46:00 GMT, "Toller" wrote:
"Charlie Morgan" wrote in message .. . On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. R OSHA snafu Think 4 or more letters get sounded out like a word, 3 or less get spelled out. Is there a rule for this? later, tom @ www.FreeCreditReportAdvice.com |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Doug Miller wrote:
In article .com, says... Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? In my experience, most electricians pronounce NEC as "Code". Good one. This reminds me: One day at Lowes I asked where the RMC was. After some explanation the guy realized what I wanted was "thick-wall" conduit. --Not that electricians are a bunch of dummies but there is NEC way of referring to things and everyone else's way. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article .com, says... Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? In my experience, most electricians pronounce NEC as "Code". Good one. This reminds me: One day at Lowes I asked where the RMC was. After some explanation the guy realized what I wanted was "thick-wall" conduit. --Not that electricians are a bunch of dummies but there is NEC way of referring to things and everyone else's way. Ayup. In your instance I've generally heard the two types referred to as "rigid" and "EMT" (oh noes, another acronym!) nate |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Goedjn wrote: On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. TLAs (Three letter acronyms) are usually spelled out. Longer acronyms are usually pronounced, if the result is pronouncable. That's why it's D.O.D. and E.P.A and "FEMA" Generally with adjectives inserted. I hadn't the slightest idea what a TLA was. Then I looked it up at Wikipedia. Geez, must be a lot of lonely people out there. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it
doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Then you have the people who insist on being redundant. Some examples: vin number nic card pin number this drives me up a wall when people say these. -- Steve Barker "Goedjn" wrote in message ... On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. TLAs (Three letter acronyms) are usually spelled out. Longer acronyms are usually pronounced, if the result is pronouncable. That's why it's D.O.D. and E.P.A and "FEMA" Generally with adjectives inserted. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Steve Barker LT wrote:
It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Interesting. I hadn't realized that if the letters didn't make a pronounceable word, it wasn't an acronym. If it's spelled out, though, it's not really an abbreviation, it's an initialism. I wouldn't have known the latter if you hadn't sent me to the dictionary on the former. Thanks, Steve. R |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:04:36 -0500, Tom The Great
wrote: On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:46:00 GMT, "Toller" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message . .. On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. R OSHA snafu Think 4 or more letters get sounded out like a word, 3 or less get spelled out. I keep remembering LEM. That's 3 printed letters, even if you think the word you hear has 4. Is there a rule for this? Probably not. later, tom @ www.FreeCreditReportAdvice.com -- 52 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:04:36 -0500, Tom The Great
wrote: On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 14:46:00 GMT, "Toller" wrote: "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message . .. On 3 Nov 2006 05:34:05 -0800, "RicodJour" wrote: wrote: Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? People don't say oosa, fibbee, or niba. They say USA, FBI and NBA. Same with the nec. R OSHA snafu Think 4 or more letters get sounded out like a word, 3 or less get spelled out. Is there a rule for this? No, don't think so. It's been discussed a few times on alt.english.usage , and probably also on alt.usage.english . In Spanish, at least in Central America, they make a real effort to prononce everything they can. IGA was eega. IGGS was eegs. But the US FBI was still the effe bay ee. It took me along time to figure out what he was saying. later, tom @ www.FreeCreditReportAdvice.com |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
In article . com, "N8N" wrote:
wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article .com, says... Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? In my experience, most electricians pronounce NEC as "Code". Good one. This reminds me: One day at Lowes I asked where the RMC was. After some explanation the guy realized what I wanted was "thick-wall" conduit. --Not that electricians are a bunch of dummies but there is NEC way of referring to things and everyone else's way. Ayup. In your instance I've generally heard the two types referred to as "rigid" and "EMT" (oh noes, another acronym!) I've never heard anybody call EMT "EMT" -- it's always "thinwall". -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
In article , "Steve Barker LT" wrote:
It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Then you have the people who insist on being redundant. Some examples: vin number nic card pin number this drives me up a wall when people say these. ATM machine -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Doug Miller wrote:
In article . com, "N8N" wrote: wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article .com, says... Hi, I just wanted to find out how professsional electricians refer to the National Electrical Code. Do they spell it out or do they pronounce it "neck"? In my experience, most electricians pronounce NEC as "Code". Good one. This reminds me: One day at Lowes I asked where the RMC was. After some explanation the guy realized what I wanted was "thick-wall" conduit. --Not that electricians are a bunch of dummies but there is NEC way of referring to things and everyone else's way. Ayup. In your instance I've generally heard the two types referred to as "rigid" and "EMT" (oh noes, another acronym!) I've never heard anybody call EMT "EMT" -- it's always "thinwall". A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. nate -- replace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel |
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NEC: is it
In the USA, it is referred to as the N-E-C. It is also used in several
Latin American countries, where the custom has been to pronounce it. However, those of us involved with the code spell it out. Mark Earley Secretary of the NEC |
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In article , Nate Nagel wrote:
A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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In article om, "mwesecretary" wrote:
In the USA, it is referred to as the N-E-C. It is also used in several Latin American countries, where the custom has been to pronounce it. However, those of us involved with the code spell it out. Mark Earley Secretary of the NEC With all due respect, while you folks involved in *making* the code may indeed spell it out, in my observation the guys in the field *using* it pronounce "NEC" as "code". -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:02:19 -0600, "Steve Barker LT"
wrote: It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Then you have the people who insist on being redundant. Some examples: vin number nic card pin number this drives me up a wall when people say these. I feel that way too. Since a lot of people get angry, I created a web page where I post stuff like that. http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com/definitions.html A lot of it is apostrophes that don't belong. I included a bunch of funny-sounding definitions. -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On 3 Nov 2006 19:40:30 -0800, "RicodJour"
wrote: Steve Barker LT wrote: It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Interesting. I hadn't realized that if the letters didn't make a pronounceable word, it wasn't an acronym. If it's spelled out, though, it's not really an abbreviation, it's an initialism. I wouldn't have known the latter if you hadn't sent me to the dictionary on the former. Thanks, Steve. R My mother worked in a library, and used "initialism" that way too. I don't hear it much. -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:02:30 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , "Steve Barker LT" wrote: It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. Then you have the people who insist on being redundant. Some examples: vin number nic card pin number this drives me up a wall when people say these. ATM machine CD disk HIV virus VCR recorder -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , Nate Nagel wrote: A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! R |
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 17:05:00 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote: In article , Nate Nagel wrote: A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." That's what I would think of. -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On 4 Nov 2006 09:48:30 -0800, "RicodJour"
wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , Nate Nagel wrote: A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! R Some people, when listening, notice the actual sounds they hear. This comes before recognizing context. -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?
Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 4 Nov 2006 09:48:30 -0800, "RicodJour" Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! R Some people, when listening, notice the actual sounds they hear. This comes before recognizing context. I'm sorry, what did you say? If someone randomly interjects the initialism EMT, yes, I would also think of ambulances and spurting arteries. But if I were talking to someone about construction and electrical work, and wiring and related materials in particular, EMT means conduit. It's impossible to be clear in any language without taking into account context. If elaborations are required and the odd misunderstanding takes place, the odds are it won't be a critical oversight. R |
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In article om, "RicodJour" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: In article , Nate Nagel wrote: A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! OK, try this: walk into the electrical department at Home Depot and ask the first employee you see where the EMT is. I betcha the first reaction will be a blank look. Obviously the results would be different at an electrical supply house. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote: Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! OK, try this: walk into the electrical department at Home Depot and ask the first employee you see where the EMT is. I betcha the first reaction will be a blank look. Obviously the results would be different at an electrical supply house. Hey! No fair fixing the bet. All I ever get is blank looks at the Depot! My personal "favorite" was asking a guy in plumbing for an item, being told that it was in the kitchen department when I knew that was _highly_ unlikely, walking to the kitchen department and being told it was in plumbing. The kitchen guy was a bit dumbfounded that a plumbing aisle guy would be so clueless, so he walked me back over to plumbing. The original clerk _denied_ telling me that it was in kitchens! I nearly smacked him. R |
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Charlie Morgan wrote:
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:02:19 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: It's not an acronym unless it's pronounced as a word. If spelled out, or it doesn't make a word it's just an abbreviation. It's not an abbreviation, it's an initialism. CWM Then you have the people who insist on being redundant. Some examples: vin number nic card pin number this drives me up a wall when people say these. Then you should switch to the coffee in the green can! 8^) Initialism? Who coined this? It's still an abbreviation even if only the intials are used. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article om, "RicodJour" wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , Nate Nagel wrote: A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage. When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing." Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! OK, try this: walk into the electrical department at Home Depot and ask the first employee you see where the EMT is. I betcha the first reaction will be a blank look. That would not reflect so much on the usage of EMT as on the knowledge of the HD employees. There are a whole lot of things on HD shelves under a specific name that the employees don't recognize. Obviously the results would be different at an electrical supply house. |
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George E. Cawthon wrote:
Initialism? Who coined this? It's still an abbreviation even if only the intials are used. An abbreviation in its strictest sense is merely a shortened form of the word. An initialism uses the initial letters. http://www.answers.com/topic/acronym-and-initialism R |
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On 4 Nov 2006 11:20:11 -0800, "RicodJour"
wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On 4 Nov 2006 09:48:30 -0800, "RicodJour" Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! R Some people, when listening, notice the actual sounds they hear. This comes before recognizing context. I'm sorry, what did you say? If someone randomly interjects the initialism EMT, yes, I would also think of ambulances and spurting arteries. But if I were talking to someone about construction and electrical work, and wiring and related materials in particular, EMT means conduit. It's impossible to be clear in any language without taking into account context. If elaborations are required and the odd misunderstanding takes place, the odds are it won't be a critical oversight. R I suppose I pay more attention to what is actually happening when I do things, than some people do. -- 51 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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In article . com, "RicodJour" wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: "RicodJour" wrote: Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug! OK, try this: walk into the electrical department at Home Depot and ask the first employee you see where the EMT is. I betcha the first reaction will be a blank look. Obviously the results would be different at an electrical supply house. Hey! No fair fixing the bet. All I ever get is blank looks at the Depot! Well, okay, maybe that was cheating a bit. :-) -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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LOL! I have never been sucked into the coffee drinking habit. Thanks for
the correction and the laugh. -- Steve Barker "Charlie Morgan" wrote in message ... Then you should switch to the coffee in the green can! 8^) |
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RicodJour wrote:
George E. Cawthon wrote: Initialism? Who coined this? It's still an abbreviation even if only the intials are used. An abbreviation in its strictest sense is merely a shortened form of the word. An initialism uses the initial letters. http://www.answers.com/topic/acronym-and-initialism R Then you shouldn't have included the link. It says that acronyms, intialisms and alphabetisms are abbreviations. I've been retired for over 8 years so I may be behind the times. But, during 20 years of writing and editing, I never heard or saw the word initialism. Probably because there is no need. For example, saying "FBI is the initialism of the Federal Bureau of Investigation," is a rather stupid way of saying that FBI is(are) the initials of ..........." BTW, none of my dictionaries have a definition of initialism. I didn't bother to look up alphabetism but I've never heard anyone use the term and it is not found in any of the style guides I used. Again, probably because there is very little to no opportunity to use it and not feel foolish. In the Wikipedia article, the constructed argument defining the differences and uses among various types of abbreviations may be entertaining and somewhat informative but is mostly nonsense. Abbreviations are not constructed based on some set of abstract rules but are usually introduced as a convenience in writing or speaking and may vary with the writer or speaker. If a person introduces an abbreviation that is useful and that form is accepted, it becomes common, but may persist only for a short time. Another BTW, the author has made some rather silly mistakes in selecting and describing some foreign language examples. I give only one. The author says Chinese is a syllable-based writing system. It is not, it is a word based system. The pronunciation of some characters have a complex sound that in English we would be interpreted as more than one syllable; much different from Japanese. Also, his interpretation of daxue is as laughable as interpreting high school in English to mean tall school. |